Re: Why do religious people think they must prevent everyone from going to hell?
Are religious people who commit crimes moral? What about atheists who are upstanding citizens?
Many people live without religion and are infinitely more moral than believers. People are actually moral based on their own inclinations and upbringing, the only difference is that one group adheres to belief in a deity and a set of rituals and practices, while the other doesn’t.
And that has nothing to do why religion can still be a positive force and way of life, just that morality obviously does exist outside of it.
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I had mentioned in the other thread, religion brings out a lot of passion amongst people, so let us all address one another in a civil way. Let me add to this thread: Questioning the morality of people will also bring out passion, so let us all try to talk to each other in a civil way, without antagonizing one another, by labeling who is moral, who is not, and who has a right to be and who does not. Thanks!
Re: Why do religious people think they must prevent everyone from going to hell?
the bolded part is my point. that their morality is based on ‘nonthing’. If you use ‘nothing’ to to imply something, the result would be ‘nothing’ as per rational reasoning.
Re: Why do religious people think they must prevent everyone from going to hell?
There is range of arguments for defending religion. These types of debates are common among believers and disbelievers. If you find it inappropriate here, you can split the thread from the point of morality and move it to philosophy forum. I suggest you title ‘Morality without religion’
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Debates are fine, I’m just asking for everyone to be civil. Please don’t use defending religion as a basis of incivility. And you are more then welcome to start a thread in philosophy regarding the views that you feel should be talked about.
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Well you answered my initial post about civility with “there is range of argument with defending religion” so implying that it’s okay not to be civil about it, and if I have a problem or find it inappropriate, i should split the thread into philosophy. So that’s where it was implied.
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I believe the audiance and their level of understanding with particular subject matters here. however, i have been trying to avoid replying ‘believer’ fellows.
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new atheism says “religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises.”
I have all the reasons to give rational arguments against atheism as well. if you show any of my argument to any atheist he/she would not consider it incivil.
maybe you considered my rational arguments inappropriate.
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I consider it very inappropriate, because you keep calling us immoral. Phrases like “Morality does not exist for disbelievers” are very damaging to not just atheists’ reputation but ENTIRE humanity. Stop disgracing human race!
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I have been through hell and back over this. I can only laugh at your request. I don’t really care for what you believe or anyone else for that matter. This is pointless unless you are Michio Kaku, Stephen Hawking or Neil Tyson…
Re: Why do religious people think they must prevent everyone from going to hell?
Incorrect. Every human has an innate sense of justice and fairness. Whether this empathy arises from social conditioning, the evolutionary benefits of community, or from God, is debatable. However, this exists. And did so before Abrahamic religions.
The Roman justice system, early Indus Valley civilizations, and Greek philosophers all touched on equality and “right”, and did so outside of religion.
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the religious idiots from the US do wield more power today than the ones from other places. but locally they all do damage. the nations with the most percentage of these homegrown zealots will suffer from their senseless attempts to enforce “codified morality” of their religions.
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All of those civilizations had little or no Abrahamic influence. Being a Muslim, you would consider Roman religions to be false and man made anyway, hence, morality came from man.
Religion was the mechanism by which morals were delivered to, and accepted by, the average person. There is plenty of writing by ethics and justice by scholars who were non-religious, or believed in religions we would consider to be false. To think that empathy does not exist in humans or non-believers is absurd.
Why do religious people think they must prevent everyone from going to hell?
The reason is if they make anyone do a good deed it is going to give them “sawaab” too and if we can do something in order to make others turn to Allah.i feel this is good
