Re: Why do religious people think they must prevent everyone from going to hell?
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**The OP is talking about an attitude that many religious people **have, how they digress from what is truly "dawah" and how they feel it is obligatory upon them to pass judgement on others.
can you highlight where he talked about this attitude of religious people?
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^^ Read the title of the thread please: Why do religious people think they must prevent everyone from going to hell?
That's an attitude :)
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But did OP actually use the word "attitude"?
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Athiest: someone who does not have belief in the existence of God. Simple definition.
If you dont know the other traits of atheists that doesnt mean they do not exist.
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To have moral values, you do not need to be part of an organized religion. And being part of an organized religion doesn't mean you're always moral and ethical. Most of how we deal with people is common sense, part of human values that stem from principles of humanity.
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Because detailed discussion is required to refute your argument so I am resorting to easy part which is what atheists believe and quoting part of my post you missed again.
"I am not talking about how some of atheists behave in real life, but i am talking about their belief.
would you look at my response after differentiating between belief and behavior?"
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Great answer. I agree. But I'd be careful I don't say "you'll go to hell for that" because no matter how awesome I am, I still have no idea what I may be going to hell for. So let's say I see you drink alcohol and you're my friend, I can come up to you and say, brother, U do realize that we're supposed to avoid this...and you may think about what I said later. But if I say, dude, you're going to hell for drinking, you could turn around and say, Hey, don't be too sure about where you're going! See what I'm saying?
The OP is talking about an attitude that many religious people have, how they digress from what is truly "dawah" and how they feel it is obligatory upon them to pass judgement on others.
^^ Read the title of the thread please: Why do religious people think they must prevent everyone from going to hell? That's an attitude :)
You think the approach of dawah (bolded) is fine, right?
Now let the OP come and approve this part. If he wouldnt come to approve this type of dawah then you have misunderstood OP.
But did OP actually use the word "attitude"?
lets see what OP has to say.
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Well ... I was thinking of answering it but is that not a really strange question?
Why is that a strange question? Read my post # 8 & the reason why I asked the question.
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It is misguidance not to guide ... If I see a bump on the road that could harm someone - it is my moral obligation to make that known to other drivers ... I still can't stop them hitting it, but at least I did my best to bring it to their attention.
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That fine & you are free to peddle you beliefs (you and I both live in countries where we are afforded such freedoms), but that is not what you can say about most of the Islamic world where you could lose your head for disagreeing with majority beliefs.
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I could just easily walk on by - but then on the Day of Judgment I don't want to have to bail out others with my deeds because I failed to show the true version of Islam to people who turn around on the Day and blame me for not giving the right kind or no dawah to them while they lived with me in this life.
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I promise you, you don't know more than I do about lifer after death & that is nothing.
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You do not need a religion to be a moral person. You just need to be a human.
Atheists are the most generous
By HANK PELLISSIER - IEET
Who gives the most to charitable causes? Those who believe in gods or those who don’t?
Charitable behavior gets big perks in the afterlife, according to Christian and Islamic theology. Philanthropy, in these creeds, is a highly profitable long-term investment, a down payment on ecstatic immortality. Quite the bargain!
But atheists? No heaven awaits them. No pearly gates, eager virgins, harping angels, fluffy clouds, or succulent oasis. No reward whatsoever. Atheists have no faith, no expectation of benefit from a deity. So, atheists are probably selfish, right? Pitiless, parsimonious. Totally stingy misers, not passing a penny off to the poor…correct?
WRONG! Atheists, non-believers, secular humanists, skeptics—the whole gamut of the godless have emerged in recent years as inarguably the most generous benefactors on the globe. That’s right. Hordes of heretics are the world’s biggest damned philanthropists. Both individually and in groups, heathen infidels are topping the fundraising charts.
The current most charitable individuals in the United States, based on “Estimated Lifetime Giving,” are:
Warren Buffett (atheist, donated $40.785 billion to “health, education, humanitarian causes”)
Bill & Melinda Gates (atheists, donated $27.602 billion to “global health and development, education”)
George Soros (atheist, donated $6.936 billion to “open and democratic societies”)
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You are avoiding to get the future implications of that theory.
But, your next generation will realize what “objective notion of morality does not exist” means.
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I don’t agree with your view/opinion regarding atheits view of morality. What started as a question to you as to how you could make a statement regarding atheists inherently not being moral is dangerously close to becoming an off tangent diwana like circular argument, so I will bow out now. I pretty much got what you feel about morality and atheists and we can just agree to disagree on our thoughts regarding this subject.
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Mr. AijazAli, let’s talk for a minute here.
As you can clearly see from the previous posts, there’s a bit of a confusion here.
The OP is interested to know why certain religious people find it necessary to warn others of impending doom…or in simpler words, going to hell. What some of us think is that while dawah is a religious obligation upon Muslims, it can be done in a nice way that is pertinent to the 21st century. These days you do NOT connect with people if you’re harsh with them. You have to be tactful in your communication.
The second issue here is that somehow you believe that atheists are not moral beings. I want to ask you one question though, do you think people from other religions (that is, non-Islamic) can be moral beings? I want to hear your thoughts on this please.
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When you say something is objective you’re saying it is measurable. Can you tell us how do you measure sin or morality?
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You are trying to make it easy to duck but the term measurable is inapplicable and illogical here. rather the term should be ‘decidable’.
You do not need to compute/calculate things to decide what is moral and what is not.
Btw, why you are people so much bent on measuring these things in terms of science?
Most importantly, how do you measure things objectively? the measure you use is ‘absolute’?
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We talking about religion & not logic here. Religion and logic have nothing in common & are contradictory concepts.
B/c science is based on facts/data/evidence, etc. 2 people from different continents and religious beliefs can look at 2+2 agree that its 4, but you can’t say same for 2 people from same or different regions for religious beliefs.
Objective means it is not open for interpretation, and absolute means that it can holds all by itself (self contained) w/o depending on 2nd factor. Now tell us how do would you measure something using ‘absolute’ whatever that means.
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Hilarious. I never lost sight of morality in all my years of being an atheist/agnostic. I never thought just because I didn’t believe in a deity, I should go lie and steal
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omg we lost theorist to the dark side! 
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To the dark side?
Not to worry, queer. I am still full of evil.
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shamraz
To kill an innocent is an immoral act.
how can you interpret it differently to prove it moral act, for example?
What is your claim, absolute exists or does not exist?
If you measure things objectively without absolute, result would be depending on 2nd factor and not objective. That is contradiction and it makes your statement “measure things objectively” absud.
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Cz it iz our responsibility to build a pious progressive society.. Do inform the other Person if he iz doing someting wrong. Show light.
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your post is even more hilarious if we go by the ‘logic’ you liked in p#53. that objective view of morality does not exist and moral notions are open to interpretation. so your claim that you have been moral while not believing in deity is open to interpretation. I can interpret your post as false claim.
I am talking about a theory atheists believe in, which implies, you claim you are moral is open to interpretation.
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Say what? I never said morality is objective. I liked Shamraz’s post for a different reason. I know very well morality is subjective. Different cultures around the world view morality in different light. There is no argument there. At least not for me.
I don’t think Shamraz ever said morality is objective either. He wanted to see how you’d measure morality objectively.