living in a unbelieving place is a no crime (or a lesser sin), where-as being complicit in war against muslims is a major sin. so hence the emphasis on 'joining kuffar armies'
and also although you may not like to hear this, the basis of this view by western residing muslims is peaceful in nature because it shows the end and intermediate goals of the thinker as absolute true peace and equality
you're missing the context of the discussion. you say being complicit in war against muslims is a major sin. so funding the war through your taxes would be being complicit yes?
And who said anything about finding a law or religion stopping Muslims living in the West?
This is a simple question. If "kuffar enemies of Islam" are waging war against Islam then why are you guys living among those kuffars? Aren't your taxes helping them in their "crusade against Islam"?
And it is not just about monetary benefits you are providing to "enemies of Allah". By working in such countries, you are also providing them intellectual benefits.
Why gives those benefits to "kuffar, enemies of Islam" instead of "mujahideen, Fazlullah and Mullah Omar"?
now you are making some sense. You are right to a point but please understand that there is a difference between what you have mentioned and directly joining the enemy ranks. You have to pay taxes, just like you pay in many muslim countries. There is not much of a choice but you do have a choice when you make decision to join the kuffar enemy. kuffar lol i have never used this before but any ways.
Of course it is a choice. Why are you living among kuffar enemies?
Is this a punishment from Mullah Omar or Mullah Radio?
If you see things in a wider & historical context there is not much of a choice. You see many of us leave our countries for a better living. Rich people dont leave the country, it is the middle and lower class who suffers in our countries. who are left with no choice but to do "Hijrat". We can blame our politicians and leaders to an extent for that but actually the real cause is the interference of western countries in our matters. They are all united for decades attacking and playing the muslim world through sanctions, economic blackmailing and armed forces. It is because of them armies in our countries in the 1st place creating this whole issue.
and why are you bringing in Mullah omar etc again and again in our conversation ? cant we have a positive debate without silly comments.
you're missing the context of the discussion. you say being complicit in war against muslims is a major sin. so funding the war through your taxes would be being complicit yes?
to answer your question directly, yes, nominally and unintentionally, we rely on the mercy of Allah (SWT) like with everything else
but as ive said in the past, the perfect abode for 'the best of muslims' is in a state of shariah.
You see many of us leave our countries for a better living.
Is "better living" more important than not supporting "enemies of Islam"? Just look at the examples set by Osama bin Laden and co.
It is obvious you have option to leave these kuffar enemies of Islam. But you chose to help them kill Muslims.
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it is the middle and lower class who suffers in our countries. who are left with no choice but to do "Hijrat".
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Oh please, don't denigrate the word "Hijrat", after what you guys have done to the word "jihad". I shouldn't even need to explain why.
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and why are you bringing in Mullah omar etc again and again in our conversation ? cant we have a positive debate without silly comments.
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What is so negative about these "mujahideen"?
I am bringing them in discussion because for people like you they are the true Muslims. Ask cricketplaya. So you should be helping these so-called "true Muslims" instead of helping kuffar enemies of Islam.
im a teenager, a kid, 15 years old and i dress like a geek. :)
if u r not lying and u really r 15, then u got some dangerous views...which is worrying.. i think it's your time to go out, play, eat, and enjoy and maybe worry about kuffar and muslims maybe a couple of yrs later.. u won't get these gud days back.. my advice to all who r not 16 or older yet..
if u r not lying and u really r 15, then u got some dangerous views...which is worrying.. i think it's your time to go out, play, eat, and enjoy and maybe worry about kuffar and muslims maybe a couple of yrs later.. u won't get these gud days back.. my advice to all who r not 16 or older yet..
id give that advice to myself too... but it's too late now ...! :)
but hey, the sahaba were what? 17 and they conquered... following in their footsteps is ok no.. whatever i can do. hmm
how's aga khan? :D i heard he's shaking hands with harper building some museum of sorts? what's that about?
On the other thread, I see you getting quite excited over the shiites being attacked by suicide bombers. I wonder if that makes you a 'kafir' yourself?
Let's hear the definition of 'kufr' from the 'oh so islamic little angel'.
id give that advice to myself too... but it's too late now ...! :)
but hey, the sahaba were what? 17 and they conquered... following in their footsteps is ok no.. whatever i can do. hmm
how's aga khan? :D i heard he's shaking hands with harper building some museum of sorts? what's that about?
it's gud you r trying to follow the sahabas footsteps but the sahabas respected others which i'm afraid is missing in u.. and about the aga khan, i don't know.. i don't follow all the contracts he does for any reason.. i just follow his (A.S) farmans regarding religion..
another piece of advice, u don't just have to conquer to follow sahabas.. first learn to live like them.. conquering is a way down the road bacha jee..
another LIE. do you people ever feel ashamed? you lie like there’s no tomorrow. the other day you were talking about me supporting TTP, and i ask for proof and what i get? “oh you did support them, i remember..blah blah” you LIAR!!!
if your going to try insulting, at least bring facts into it like i did: mr aga khan and harper
your twisted lies and pathetic name calling get you no where, khoj.
respect, let’s see, i respect all of you, did i ever swear at any of you? if having differing views on politics and religion is called disrespecting, then so be it. i don’t care.
and im not 15, sorry that sarcasm flew by you.. if you read the thread, some people invented my age and (geek) character.. :hehe: “twats!” as mr. Jaanwar says.
Why would anyone join a muslim army anyway nowadays, they all corrupt. No one really fights for the islam or whatever, its all political. And if we think joining the muslim army is better than kaafi army, why? what if they are also killing innocent people, or doing it for the wrong reasons.....
Most Muslims goverment armies are just as pad as any kaffir army becuase of thier curropt behaviour and stooge support of the west.
But there are many paramilitary armies that wage just wars. For example the Hezbolah of Lebanon and others who are listed as terrorists but actually fight in a very fair and just manner.
*har mulk ke afwaj apny mulk ka difa kerti hain aur jahan per rehiy wahan ki kehiy. In mulkon ke awam tu phir bhi apny mulkon ki ghalat polices ya jang o jadal ke khilaf bol bhi perty hain Ham Musalmanon ko tu is ki ijazat bhi nahi:D Mula aur Tulla ju bhi kerin jaiz Allah ne (so called Alim-e-deen ko)deen ka ilm aur iqtidar diya hai un ko Allah Allah khiri sala *
*Main her fuji ki izat kerti hon duniya main kahin bhi apny mulk ka difa kerty mer giya khiraj-e-aqeedat paish kerti hon. ke woh jang kerta mara giya for what? he thought is right and he been ordered to do that, insan hai kisi ka byta, bhai , shohar ya bap hai jaisy hamin Muslims ko apney bachon ka dukh ata hai unhi bhi un ke bachon ka dukh ata hai. Kitny Muslims hain jinhon ne political asylam per citizenship hasil ki hai yahan kam as kam woh tu shukar guzar hon gy na ke hamin pehly panah di ab defend ker rahy hain warna siasi ranjishon ki bina per apny MUSLIM MULK main tu merwa diey jaty ab Mazhabi ranjish main merwa diy jaty.
QUra haq bat kehny aur kerny ka hukam dita hai Musalman kehty hain jahan Musilm a jaey haq bat mat kahu ham se ziadti hu rahi hai Yahood o hunood ki traf se bas yeh kahu.
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I said that your posting history does not show more than 20 pages of data. That is ‘blah blah’ for you? You arrange to let me view all of your posts from the last 6 months & I would give you exactly he same post in which you ‘proudly’ showed your alliance with ‘al qaeda’ & ‘talibans’. I have no interest to single you out for anything but your stupidities which have adverse effects on Pakistan’s & the world’s safety.
So you let me have access to all of your posts of last 6 months & I show you the post which you do not admit you wrote & you make a list of all the ‘lies’ which I have spoken. Incase of misunderstandings, I would clarify. Incase of your stupidity too. But incase you accuse me falsely for being a ‘liar’, I reserve a right to turn that upon you. Fair game? Now do not delay.
The rest of the Pakistanis who are reading this, this poster cricketplaya is a very good example of iindia manipulation. Because one or more of the many iindian terrorists lurking on these forums private messaged him his thoughts against me coupled with ‘sympathetic’ feelings for him, his causes, his alliances, his beliefs & ideas (Exactly like they do with almost every victim of theirs). And they successfully brainwashed him enough against me in order to accuse me of being a ‘lair’. So, these iindian terrorists successfully exploited yet another Pakistani against one they hate because he speaks out the truth about international ghunda gardi & terrorism of the iindians. This is an excellent example for every single Pakistani. Who have a little bit of brain would understand this but those God was not kind enough to bestow with one wont, just like this above victim here. Please learn your lesson about them indians.
another LIE. do you people ever feel ashamed? you lie like there's no tomorrow. the other day you were talking about me supporting TTP, and i ask for proof and what i get? "oh you did support them, i remember..blah blah" you LIAR!!!
