In Ramadhan all non-muslims are told to respect the sensitivity of muslim month of fastieng. They are advised not to eat in open and all resturaunts are closed. One of my friends once fought with a christian who was smoking in Ramadhan.
Was this the practice of Rasoolullaah saw or of the Caliphs?
Why do we don’t want to see anybody eating or drinking in front of us, too much of a temptation? No, i doubt, in our own houses mothers feed young children or we cook for someone who’s been ill and cud not fast.
ANd afterall fasting is only between the person and Allah.
^ Coz they wanna showoff how pious n religious they are.. its enough to say "no, i'm fasting" if someone offers u food (n thas IF they're insisting) but fighting? Plz... i guarantee u most of these idiots will go back to their clubs , parties, and other haram crap the second Ramadan is over
This is the first I've heard of anyone saying anything about it to a non muslim. Noone I know gets offended at seeing non-muslims eating or drinking in Ramadan.
I've seen people eating and drinking while I'm fasting and I couldn't care less. I've heard of more cases where non muslims get offended for nothing but that's a completely different topic.
I've seen people eating and drinking while I'm fasting and I couldn't care less. I've heard of more cases where non muslims get offended for nothing but that's a completely different topic.
I agree completely. It is like this in all places I have spent Ramadhan - Karachi, London, Toronto, New York.
For me in school - I sit next to my friends who are eating in Ramadhan and I don't get the least bit offended.
ok, in SA all restuarants are closed in the day time - personel experience.
in UAE, Oman, Pakistan some of the restuatants will be open for take-away.
in all of these countries it is a legal offense to eat or drink or smoke in public during ramadan, you will end up in jail where you have to forcefully fast because you will not be given anything to eat during day time until eid.
Also in UAE I know it for a fact that when you will come out of jail on eid you will be given a shaved head, the arabic dress (kundura) and ten dirhams as eidi.
to me it is really stupid with a capital S, if I am fasting and somebody is eating in front of me, IS the real fasting because then only I am being really tested.
Fasting whole day while sleeping and waking up in the evening, staying up whole night watching movies or spinning the wheels, eat all you like in the morning and go to sleep again fasting..... Is it really fasting?
ok, thats basic economics not religion. The majority of the people in UAE, Oman, Pakistan etc are Muslims. There is not enough demand to keep these restaurants open all day in Ramadhan. In UAE if you go to tourist areas (personal experience for me) there are lots of places open to eat.
in all of these countries it is a legal offense to eat or drink or smoke in public during ramadan, you will end up in jail where you have to forcefully fast because you will not be given anything to eat during day time until eid.
Where is this? I have seen people eat in public in Oman, Pakistan and UAE. No such thing happened.
Also in UAE I know it for a fact that when you will come out of jail on eid you will be given a shaved head, the arabic dress (kundura) and ten dirhams as eidi.
to me it is really stupid with a capital S, if I am fasting and somebody is eating in front of me, IS the real fasting because then only I am being really tested.
Fasting whole day while sleeping and waking up in the evening, staying up whole night watching movies or spinning the wheels, eat all you like in the morning and go to sleep again fasting..... Is it really fasting?
Do you have a source for this?
to me it is really stupid with a capital S, if I am fasting and somebody is eating in front of me, IS the real fasting because then only I am being really tested.
so are you saying that if I am fasting and no-one is eating in front of me, my fast is not real?
Fasting whole day while sleeping and waking up in the evening, staying up whole night watching movies or spinning the wheels, eat all you like in the morning and go to sleep again fasting..... Is it really fasting?
If you follow the laws that have been set out for you during fasts, then yes it is.
WaSalaam
Where is this? I have seen people eat in public in Oman, Pakistan and UAE. No such thing happened.
Do you have a source for this?
so are you saying that if I am fasting and no-one is eating in front of me, my fast is not real?
If you follow the laws that have been set out for you during fasts, then yes it is.
WaSalaam
Personal experience no restuarant open in AUH/ALN during Ramadan lived there for 8 years.lived in ALN for 10 years. not even for take aways.
DXB/SHJ is a different story sorry I said UAE. should have said AUH/ALN.
regarding legal offense in the begining of ramadan you get a warning out in the newspaper (i will try to find an old copy for this) is my reference.
eidi and kundura thing, man's name Frank Masc****, on khaleefa street AUH, lit a ciggeret during ramadan, year if I recall the year correct was 93 or 94. got arrested. he was my collegue. he lives somewhere in India now but i will try to trace him as well for testemony.
No never meant that your fast is not real, but point is the person who is not fasting should be allowed to do whatever he like wherever he like as he can do all year around.
Never meant to hurt anybodies feeling, don't take it personlly.
DXB/SHJ is a different story sorry I said UAE. should have said AUH/ALN.
Ohh, I see. Are there a lot of non-Musims in AUH/ALN though - enough to keep restaurants open for business without losing too much money?
eidi and kundura thing, man's name Frank Masc****, on khaleefa street AUH, lit a ciggeret during ramadan, year if I recall the year correct was 93 or 94. got arrested. he was my collegue. he lives somewhere in India now but i will try to trace him as well for testemony.
But does this still happen?
No never meant that your fast is not real, but point is the person who is not fasting should be allowed to do whatever he like wherever he like as he can do all year around.
Never meant to hurt anybodies feeling, don't take it personlly.
DXB/SHJ is a different story sorry I said UAE. should have said AUH/ALN.
regarding legal offense in the begining of ramadan you get a warning out in the newspaper (i will try to find an old copy for this) is my reference.
eidi and kundura thing, man's name Frank Masc****, on khaleefa street AUH, lit a ciggeret during ramadan, year if I recall the year correct was 93 or 94. got arrested. he was my collegue. he lives somewhere in India now but i will try to trace him as well for testemony.
No never meant that your fast is not real, but point is the person who is not fasting should be allowed to do whatever he like wherever he like as he can do all year around.
Never meant to hurt anybodies feeling, don't take it personlly.
ok, no problem. I also apologize, I was just have some issues with a friend so I wasn't in the best mood. :(
So long as food is avaialble so people can eat in private, what's their problem?
Most people will get irate, especially near the end of a fast, to see some jerk comping away on food they can smell...it's not so much the visual; there are other aspects to eating in public as well.
This nonsense about being "tested" is getting a bit old. How many of us actually looked to be tested in any other aspects of faith or even other aspects of our lives on a constant and persistent basis? Sounds like a lame-duck argument.
The word is 'ettiquite', and eating in front of people who are fasting is considered bad ettiquite in general. If some people can tolerate it, good for them. The bottom line is, no one is budding into your private life and forbidding you to eat at all...so relax, and enjoy the month.
Never heard or seen someone condemning a non-Muslim for eating or drinking during the day in Ramadan. It sounds quite bizarre and strange to me.
One of the purpose of fasting is to gain self-control and not to go pick fights with others (not that I haven't lost temper, but never have gone telling off others for eating).
Here you have one calling names to some body eating… I have no idea how much this person will get irritated when he will really see somebody eating…
Now I will be called named and things justified… though that’s the whole reason of this thread…
Disingenuous. A person eating is one thing, a person eating in a place full of fasting people (consider a market in a Muslim country) is another.
In places where Muslims are a minority, obviously they will have to adapt. The idea that Muslims still have to adapt where they are the majority is stupidity.
Any Muslim who cannot tolerate the eating of others during fasting, should try a little harder to understand the purpose behind fasting. It's not just competition of starving yourself.
In places where Muslims are a minority, obviously they will have to adapt. The idea that Muslims still have to adapt where they are the majority is stupidity.
That's exactly the point of the thread..
So since Muslims in Minority in India, they shouldn't have Moharram and blood stained procession, since that offends Majority. Sure Muslims shouldn't fast since everybody is eating, I remember my close lunch buddy in office was a Muslim and he won't eat during Ramdaan, now in a majority Hindu country I should be offended...
You can split the hair till you want......... but buddy...you again said exactly the same thing what this thread is about.... "Why do Muslims get offended?" .. So if I am a minority in a Muslim country, I can't go to restaurant during those days or you will be offended, I can't eat in public or you will be offended, So i should get into my house close all the doors and windows and eat...
That's exactly the point being made here.......... I hope you get it... than in your reasoning you are exactly pointing out to the topic of the thread...
I agree. I think it comes of as "insecurity" (of mullahs) or may be govt pleasing clergy when they announced "punishment" for opening restaurant/dining in public (Zia's era in Pakistan?).
So since Muslims in Minority in India, they shouldn't have Moharram and blood stained procession, since that offends Majority.
If the majority thinks they can stop it, what can the Muslims do?
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Sure Muslims shouldn't fast since everybody is eating, I remember my close lunch buddy in office was a Muslim and he won't eat during Ramdaan, now in a majority Hindu country I should be offended...
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Eh? I never implied that Muslims shouldn't fast or are forbidden from fasting by anyone...
Anyhoo, INdia is a bad example becaue Islam is part and parcel of that culture...I know hindu bigots like to portray it as foreign, but tough...
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You can split the hair till you want......... but buddy...you again said exactly the same thing what this thread is about.... "Why do Muslims get offended?" .. So if I am a minority in a Muslim country, I can't go to restaurant during those days or you will be offended, I can't eat in public or you will be offended, So i should get into my house close all the doors and windows and eat...
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Yup. You need to assimilate into your host culture and learn what your limits are as a minority. Doesn't mean you need to live your life in a closet, but you will have to adapt on some things.
