Why do India's Dalits hate Gandhi?

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Some interesting reads about Mohandas Karamchand with authentic references.

( Trinicenter.com - Gandhi and African Blacks )

  1. Grenier, Richard. The Gandhi Nobody Knows published in Commentary March 1983; pages 59 to 72. This is the best article on Gandhi briefly outlining his war activities against the blacks.

  2. GB Singh: Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity (Hardcover) ISBN: 1573929980

  3. Huq, Fazlul. Gandhi: Saint or Sinner ? Bangalore: Dalit Sahitya Akademy, 1992. Superb book. Really gets into the Gandhi’s anti-black ideology with a sense of history setting intact. This book can be purchased from the International Dalit Support Group, P.O Box 842066, Houston, Tx 77284-2066.

Just a very small example from the book with references:

Addressing a public meeting in Bombay on Sept. 26 1896 (CW II p. 74), Gandhi said:

** " Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."**
There are many many more, but the space here will not be enough for that.

You can always suit the authors if you think they have manipulated the facts about Mohandas Karamchand. :wink:

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…and you say Gandhi was racist ? :konfused:

P.S. The above is from your post.

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^ The guy was just picking up something to degrade Mr.Gandhi .Thats all.Do not give it a big deal.

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This is what Mohandas Karamchand said:

**" Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."

**He was referring black people as “raw kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness”

So if this is not racism then what is? You can close your eyes to the fact that Mohandas Karamchand was a racist, but that does not change the reality!

Try harder next time! :slight_smile:

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...who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir...
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^ He was including himself as part of the group which is considered "raw kaffir" by Europeans. How is that racism ?

Dude, ask some one to translate this in a language that you follow and then try again...

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Dude, I forgot that you are an indian and will twist anything to prove yourself right. But unfortunately you can not change history or reality. What Mohandas Karamchand said is this:

" Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."

Now let me spell it out for you, as your thought process seems to be quite slow to get it:

Mohandas Karamchand referred native blacks of South Africa as “Kafirs”. And he is complaining that British are degrading indians to the level of those “Kafirs”.

Which English scholar would you prefer to interpret that for you? :slight_smile:

Here is one more example of Mohandas Karamchand’s racial slurs against black people:

On February 15 1905, Gandhi wrote to Dr. Porter, the Medical Officer of Health, Johannesburg (CW. IV p.244, and “Indian Opinion” 9 April 1904):
** " Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian location should be chosen for dumping down all kaffirs of the town, passes my comprehension."

Of course, under my suggestion, the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen.**
The fact is that Mohandas Karamchand WAS A RACIST!

PS. Lets see which words from these paragraphs you will copy paste to prove, “what Mohandas Karmachand meant was that black people are our brothers and we would lay our lives for their rights” :rotfl:

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**Reservations **ensure equal opportunity in matters of public employment and give adequate representation to those who had been disadvantaged from time immemorial on account of sociological reasons.

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South Africa was early in his life, and helped shape his beliefs. They were not fully formed yet.

Thomas Jefferson once proclaimed that blacks were intellectually inferior to whites. Abraham Lincoln once claimed that when the slaves were freed they should be sent back to Africa (so did Thomas Jefferson). Both men were trying to do the right thing when they expressed these beliefs, and both were reflecting conventional wisdom of their time. More importantly, both later rejected these views completely, as their own true characters helped them see past their earlier teachings. All of us have been given beliefs at an early age that we later rejected as wrong. We are ashamed of our earlier beliefs, usually.

Gandhi was educated in England at a time when science taught that white people were intellectually superior to black people, and to all other races, and that mixing of races weakened racial purity. Hitler took those views to an extreme, and they are now rejected, but at the time even Americans like Woodrow Wilson believed they were scientific and correct. So maybe Gandhi had some of these assumptions earlier in his life, especially pre-Hitler. He does not seem to have had them later, though.

I don’t know all of Gandhi’s thoughts on Africans while he was in Africa, but I do know that the man he became, and the man he was beginning to become even then, would reject any view that one individual was superior to another based on a racial or religious grouping.

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So in other words, Mohandas Karamchand was openly racist in the begining but then he started to chose his words more carefully with the passage of time. hmmm... but he was still a racist! :)

Majha did this, Gama said that...

what it has all to do with the fact that Mohandas Karamchand was a racist?

:D

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I don't know all of Gandhi's thoughts on Africans while he was in Africa....
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Then do your research first before blindly believeing that Mohandas Karamchand was not a racist.

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OK…:yawn:

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Good to know that we both finally agree about Mohandas Karamchand being a racist. :)

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I once saw a documentory on TV and the state of the Dalits makes you wanna cry.

They were treated like slaves by the high caste, who abused them and would underpay them, punishing them for lil crimes...

The greatest kindness the high castes showed to the low castes was letting them hunt mice in their fields for food, but even in this the high castes had their own benefit which was free pest control.

Indians need to stop being in denial, the caste system is a big problem in India and official laws mean jack all when they're not being practiced, pointing to a handful of politicians to portray a fake good image of your country means fcuk alll..

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Leave that poor soul alone yaars.

You could not give him peace when he was alive.Now even after 61 years of his assassination,you are not giving him peace.

Weird world!!!

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^^NELSON MANDELA AND MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. WOULD BEG TO DIFFER…:hypo:

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^Comeon mannnnnnnnnnn ..Do not u know that they are not pakistanis?(Punjab province, especially) :hehe:

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This just shows how great Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela are!

Such humble people! Even though they knew that Mohandas Karamchand was a racist of high degree against black people, but they still forgave him.

But not all black people of South Africa are as gratious as NM. They still remember the real racist face of Mohandas Karamchand who did not consider them human and called them one degree above animals (among many other racial slurs).

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:omg:

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Its always nice to see you smile mate :slight_smile: may u alway keep on smiling,
even after reading the following.

Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi

Baldev Singh

Dear Oprah,

I am writing this letter because I think of you as an enlightened person. This letter is about the statements you made during the show you dedicated to the memory of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.

In one of your statement you said something like “I wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King’s sacrifice.” Oprah, what about those countless unknown and unsung heroes, who preceded Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King. They too suffered hardships and sacrificed their lives for freedom and justice for the black people. As a matter of fact, black people revolted against slavery and started struggling for freedom the moment they were captured in Africa and the chains of slavery were put around their necks. Since that moment black people have expressed their suffering, sorrow, helplessness and burning desire for freedom and justice through their songs. That is the reason why black people have contributed so much for the creation and development of new music.

…
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SikhSpectrum.com Monthly. Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi

time pass...WELCOME AUGUST ~*~ پاکستان زِنده با د‎ ~*~
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^ Err...who is Baldev Singh ? Next time will you quote from some guy on the street and use that to base world history on ??

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Well ok shehzaday here you go:

Baldev Singh, PhD in medicinal chemistry, is a retired pharmaceutical research scientist. Dr. Singh has about sixty publications and 100 U.S. patents. Born in Takhtupura, District Faridkot, Punjab he has published article on Sikhism in Sikh Bulletin, Sikh Virsa, Spokesman, Abstracts of Sikh Studies and Understanding Sikhism Research Journal.

And we all are people of the street why what is wrong
you never go out? :)

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