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[This message has been edited by secret_obsession (edited March 23, 2002).]
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Originally posted by rvikz:
** dont include me i respect women regardless
what they wear.
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Dear I must repeat myself again, please quit going so low, its utterly embarrasing. That was a very racist comment.
I say to each his own or her own. I am glad that there is variety in the world. I love scantly dressed women, nude women (some), women in business suits are hot too! Some women that hide mysteriously behind a veil often do have beautiful captivating eyes!
I think that women should be able to shed any clothing that causing safety concerns in the work place for example, or for sporting events in which women should be viewed as athletes first.
First of all i wear a scarf, i live in england so i dress in a way that is acceptable to this soceity but i dont reveal my body as some do here, i wear clothes that are perfectly respectable.
To tell the truth i have always wondered
what was the use to wear a scarf in the first place?
and arent women oppressed if they wear hijab?
i study phylosophy and religion in college and fortunately i have to do my coursework on this topic, i have found by research that it is tru that the hijab truly liberates a woman. i have friends that dont wear hijab, and christian friends as well, they know my views but i dont press any1.
I think a woman feels alot more asfer in hijab too, being exposed and being stared at is not fun at all, i have been there done that, its disgusting, all these revolting men just staring at you,
i doont want to be treated by my sexuality or my body, but for who i am inside, i want to be appreciated for my character, so ok ppl might say im saying that bcos i might be ugly, IM NOT.
To be honest i used to be a radical femanist, well not exactly but i used to think how unfair it was that men could marry 4 wives and women couldnt marry more than 1, i looked into the topic abit more and found out that there are so many stipulations, a man would be quite put off by all the responsibilty alone. As for women marrying more than 1 guy, i know this sounds alittle one sided but if she gets pregnant, hows she gonna know which guys child it is? so ok genetic testing blahblahblah arent the rest of the guys gonna be at each others throats or something? it is going to a little bit ageeb or ghareeb
and let me tell you sometihng else too, i am TOTALLY AGAINST men marrying more than 1 woman, bcos most of them cannot treat them fairly and men arent the only ppl to get jealous of attention!
and yes 1 chance in amillion i might agree to something like 2 wives bcos there might be a war on and times are so bad that ppl r starving to death but otherwise i believe al women should learn to be independant and ALSO YOU CANNOT FORGET THAT IT IS NOT THE MANS CHOICE ALONE THAT HE GETS TO MARRY AGAIN
he must ask permission from his first wife, if he doesnt get it then he simply cant get married again
if u read all of my lecture thanx for being so patient but it is truly my views and i think they make all the sense in the world to me
feel free to criticise/object i like a good discussion
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ures truly
Hey Xara, ever see a hot guy, like at work or some other place that you frequent, and ditch the scarf.. you know show a little more skin to try an attract his attention?
Tell the truth.
Anyone else do it?
Maybe let it slip off "accidently"
Hope you all don't take offense to this question.
LOL
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Mmike;
I can’t stop laughing at your question. This is one of the funniest questions I have ever heard. But I am kinda used to such question , I also live in USA and people ask such question ofen like you just did.
No, I have never showed skin, or let my skarf slipped off…no matter how hot the guys is…
what’s the point of attracting a guy if you can’t get him. I mean can’t date him, or have relationship with them.
we usually do arrange marriages, in which parents choose partners and relationships before marriages are forbidden. So there is no need to attract…
no offence taken.
let us look at pakistani wedding dress
looks modest and colorful
http://www.pakgift.com/html/weddingdress.htm
[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited March 25, 2002).]
I guess the plain and simple thing is that we follow the rule of Allah, no IFs and no BUTs. Allah has made rule of hijab for women's saftey and God knows the best. Who are we to decide who is good muslim and who is bad.
Culturely we do so many things wrong. Unfortunately, we should try our best to follow rules of Islam and not make excuses.
Allah guide us in right direction.
Muslims seem very disciplined.
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Originally posted by MMike:
*Muslims seem very disciplined. *
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thanks ..
Mike if the guy likes me only for my looks then you know it wont last.
And not all muslims have arranged marriages, I am Turkish not Pakistani and my family doesnt do that, but there are families who do that everywhere in the Muslims world and even in the non Muslim world.
listen all!
first thing...if gals do hijab they look respectable ...if not then every one can look at them...with which eyes...u gals can judge...gals cant save without hijab...
if gals havin prob...to wear scarf then they can just put the DUPPATA on their heads so simple...that can also make a gal respectable
one thing i must say here
women must not have to be every thing to every one but they shud have to be sumthin to some one(husbands)
what would be life like if each and every
women wear hijab in a country . chinese
under cultural revoultion wore unisex mao's suit .that would make the country very grim looking?
rvikz, please kindly explain to me what does mao or the Chinese regime have to do with Islaam?
When one brings an example, it should be a relevant one, and in this case related to the hijaab. I'm sure that you'll agree, that it doesn't take a historian to acknowledge that mao did not regulate the hijaab in China!
As Muslims we follow the Laws of Allaah - subhaan wa ta'aala - and not of the Chinese or any other ideology or thought. Neither do we become enslaved by our whims and desires by allowing them to dictate our way of life.
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloakes (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they be known (as free respectable women) and not abused. And Allaah is ever Ever Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. [Soorah Al-Ahzaab 33:59]
Immediately following the revelation of this verse, the Muslims women grabbed any sheet/cloak within their reach and threw them over their bodies. They did not question as to why this practice has been ordained by the All Mighty. Their eemaans (belief) were so elevated that they only had one thing in mind - to please Allaah - subhaan wa ta'aala. Even though this was a totally new concept, it did not even raise a flicker of objection in their minds, for it brought tranquility to their hearts and rewards in the Hereafter.
&peace
"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."
i am just portraying the visual effects and monotony
on the landscape. i agreee there is no
maximum limit by any law how much you can cover your body but there is minimum
requirement in every country. may be few excpetions some countries ban hijab?
some tribals in remote places dont wear
clothes in their natural sourounding.
The bottom line is that all Believers are ordered to observe Hijaab. Not only Muslims, but People of the Book (Jews, Christians and Sabians) were also orderered to observe Hijaab during their Revelations. However, not all do so, similar to some Muslims.
The reason Hindus are so opposed to Hijaab is quoted in the following ayats:
002.105 It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the Book, nor of the Pagans, that anything good should come down to you from your Lord....
061.009 It is He Who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
Yes, we see a lot of people arguing until 'the cows come home' that we are democratic, independant, excercising free will and choose our way of life. Always using Feminism, Capitalism, Marxism and any other 'ism' which conveniently and misconceptionally sounds good as evidence and back up. Unfortunately, 99% are not even aware of the creators of such 'male dominated' movements.
For our Hindu colleagues, apart from the recent 'Bollywood' actresses, it would be good to know why do Hindu women cover up, even though it may be marginally, but nevertheless, they did use to cover there heads and bodies (except for the followers of a certain Deity).
It would be good for 'Professor' Kumar to give an opinion, as I'm sure he is well aware of where I am going with this type of questioning.
Or should I be kind and not put too much pressure upon the Pagans!
As I have been away for a long time, unfortunately I have to make up for lost time and some casualties are necessary!
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i am just portraying the visual effects and monotony
on the landscape.
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In that case, let us look at Madeenah during the time of the Prophet - salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam. That's an as gooder example as any.
&peace
"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."
With my Western way of thinking I guess I will just not understand the significance of the hibaj, When I see women and girls on television they draw their veils over their faces, As an American I see them as cowering away from the Camera. I seems like a symptom of low self esteem as though they are not worthy of being seen or heard.
Or as if someone has taught them that they are to be silent and out of sight out of mind. This is so contrary to what I have been taught. A woman deserves equal respect as men, All people men and women present themselves as respectable by the way they carry themselves, and perhaps a little by the way they dress as well.
As a man I am to have my own dignity and self-respect. If a woman exposes small amounts of skin such as arms. Legs, shoulders. I certainly can just overlook this without becoming a crazed animal. If women felt that they had to cover themselves when in my presence I would be a little insulted. What kind of person do they think I am? If I see a little skin do they think I will just transform into a mindless pervert an attach them? No, I have a little more self control then that.
Simply following religious teachings is certainly understandable, but if women feel that they need to cover up for social reasons such as not to temp or attract men,
What does that say about those women's perception of the mentality of men?
[This message has been edited by MMike (edited March 26, 2002).]
after reading all these comments and questions from non mulim men… i understand better now that why mulsim woman and not allowed to marry non muslim men. A non muslim will never understand their needs and because of cutural differences a marriage like this won’t work.
I am from South India and the Veil that I see is very different. women wear generally black or brown veils, where as widows wear white veils (it is not ofcourse, the type of veil you see in Afghanistan).
However, my personal feeling is I am really committed to relationship, purely Indian way. I am never tempted by the sight of any girl's skin or hair.
May be the situation in some countries demand that you need to cover yourself as such !!!
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"after reading all these comments and questions from non mulim men... i understand better now that why mulsim woman and not allowed to marry non muslim men. A non muslim will never understand their needs and because of cutural differences a marriage like this won't work."
Partly you may be true, but partly you are wrong. Not all muslim women feel the same way. There are many Muslim girls in India who have married Hindus and their marriage is going on fine.
Atleast, in India it is a bonus for them, as they get all the freedom without oppression and at the same time, preserving the values of morality.