I found this truly disturbing. Religion says you are an abomination. Yet you want a religious wedding. You do not follow the tenets of the faith be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism. Yet you want to use religion as a basis for your wedding.
Its just confusing…
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oh come on who follows their religion so strongly, even you said that you aren't a very very religious man. the relationship is between a human being and God. Nobody else has a right to judge except God.
why do straight people want to take their vows of love for their beloved in front of God? the same reason is there for gay people. they are human after all, they deserve to live with their loved one with dignity, why should they have to just live together.
i see religion and God as separate. God can exist without religion.
oh this debate about gays can go on and on. i'm firm with my beliefs on this issue and the religious people are firm in their viewpoints.
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or it’s a deliberate attempt to cut the fabric of religion. Truly we are in dangerous times 
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I read this as well it really annoyed me. They are talking about the quran but do they not know of harzat lut.
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oh come on who follows their religion so strongly, even you said that you aren't a very very religious man. the relationship is between a human being and God. Nobody else has a right to judge except God.
why do straight people want to take their vows of love for their beloved in front of God? the same reason is there for gay people. they are human after all, they deserve to live with their loved one with dignity, why should they have to just live together.
There are some issues in religion which you can judge. Everything about gay marriages in Islam, or any other religion for that matter, is black and white. It is not allowed. Therefore no amount of twisting and turning the rules would result in a religious gay marriage.
Anyway the point is not whether gay marriages are allowed or not, but why gay people want the religious stamp of approval on their marriage. They're already willing to defy their religious rulings, they might as well go all the way and have a normal atheist wedding. If they had any fear or respect of God, they wouldn't be having a gay marriage in the first place, let alone in front of God.
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Woah
I don’t discriminate against someone based on their sexuality but if something doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t make sense. What they’re engaging in doesn’t exist so to demand it is highly illogical.
A simple Registered Marriage/Civil Union is fair enough but a religious contract like the Nikah does not exist for same sex unions. That’s what is confusing. There’s no black or white. I’m not even talking about it being Halal or Haram, it just doesn’t exist.
:hinna:
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A gay muslim is an oxymoron, it's like people just have to keep pushing the boundaries. First gays fight for the right to be accepted and not killed (which is fine), they fight to have civil marriages (which is fine) but now they are taking it to another level. Just because certain sects of the Church are so desperate for cash they have embraced the gays does not mean Muslims will 'sell out' the same way.
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I'm not even talking about it being Halal or Haram, it just doesn't exist.
Yeah that sounds about right. When gay marriage itself is unheard of in Islam, to think a contract like Nikah could apply to it is just ridiculous.
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"By not allowing same-sex couples to wed, there is a direct attack on the Qur'an's message that each person has a mate who is their 'comfort and their cloak" Imam Daayiee Abdullah
Build you bomb shelters people the anti-christ is almost here!
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nice :k: 
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Lol. Ignoring everything else about homosexuality in the Quran, he chooses to focus on that. Talk about gay tinted specs.
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it might be if there was confusion about the definition of ‘mate’, but there isn’t.
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what's the problem with that ?
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Well said 
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gays can be religious too ... what's difficult to understand about that? the only problem is ... with constant rejection ... people can drive a perfectly religious gay, away from religion.
you know that there is gayphobia amongst strictly religious communities ... so should that turn a gay away from God?
being homosexual is in that person ... and knowing that there is a God who loves him unconditionally (which some people know in their hearts regardless) is also something he can't detach from himself. so what do you do? which part of yourself do you kill?
let's assume we say that gays must not take part in homosexual acts ... ever.
what would a heterosexual say to you if you tell him to stay away from sex ... always?!
it's easier said than done.
as for the marriage ... just like a straight person wants to get married before Allah because he believes in Him ... a homo can also want to go into unison before Allah because he believes in him and all his life this is what he is conditioned to believe. there is a God.
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What is your point? That they should be allowed to take part in Islamic ceremony then? Knowing for well it is forbidden.
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what would a heterosexual say to you if you tell him to stay away from sex ... always?!
If my faith was to ordain that I never have sex then so long as I can still take part in the one activity I find more rewarding than sex I have no problem whatsoever.
However my faith does not say that I cannot be metrosexual, but it clearly states being gay is criminal so I have to chose between the two and personally gimme faith anyday!
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gays can be religious too ... what's difficult to understand about that? the only problem is ... with constant rejection ... people can drive a perfectly religious gay, away from religion.
you know that there is gayphobia amongst strictly religious communities ... so should that turn a gay away from God?
being homosexual is in that person ... and knowing that there is a God who loves him unconditionally (which some people know in their hearts regardless) is also something he can't detach from himself. so what do you do? which part of yourself do you kill?
let's assume we say that gays must not take part in homosexual acts ... ever.
what would a heterosexual say to you if you tell him to stay away from sex ... always?!
it's easier said than done.
as for the marriage ... just like a straight person wants to get married before Allah because he believes in Him ... a homo can also want to go into unison before Allah because he believes in him and all his life this is what he is conditioned to believe. there is a God.
Unfortunately everything isn't as simple and straightforward as you make it out to be. A gay can be religious, absolutely, but a gay person can't indulge in homosexuality and be religious at the same time. That is the oxymoron. Tough luck for the homos, but it is pretty clear cut that God does not accept them for practicing their homosexuality.
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What is your point? That they should be allowed to take part in Islamic ceremony then? Knowing for well it is forbidden.
i'm too small to be dictating whether they should be allowed or not. my only point is that it is not hard to imagine them wanting a religious ceremony.
If my faith was to ordain that I never have sex then so long as I can still take part in the one activity I find more rewarding than sex I have no problem whatsoever.
However my faith does not say that I cannot be metrosexual, but it clearly states being gay is criminal so I have to chose between the two and personally gimme faith anyday!
good on you. may everyone be so strong in faith and conviction. unfortunately, not everyone is. but it is also far-fetched to make a statement that you'll find a more rewarding activity than sex, considering it is one of the very basic human instincts. as i said. easier said than done. there must a come a point ... even if it comes when you're 80.
Unfortunately everything isn't as simple and straightforward as you make it out to be. A gay can be religious, absolutely, but a gay person can't indulge in homosexuality and be religious at the same time. That is the oxymoron. Tough luck for the homos, but it is pretty clear cut that God does not accept them for practicing their homosexuality.
unfortunately, this situation is not so simply defined as an oxymoron. it may be so simple for you. "... a gay person can't indulge in homosexuality and be religious at the same time..." ... i think they can. there can never be a never for human-behavior. just because it is unnatural for us to admit homosexuality because that is what we're taught and raised to believe and then confirmed through Text ... it doesn't still let us understand their situation. even if a straight person commits adultery ... that sin is between the adulterer and God ... until someone else can prove his sin. so let us not be God (nauzubillah) and accept that homosexuals are human too and can commit a sin just like a straight person. let homosexuality be a sin ... but let's just let it be between them and God. let a gay unison before God not be accepted by the mainstream ... but let this be between them and God. because afterall ... they are human ... they have a choice and will ... and they too will be standing before God like the rest of us .. and at the end .. it will all be fair and just. why make it hell on earth already for them?
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considering it is one of the very basic human instincts. as i said. easier said than done.
Oh believe me fighting is also a basic human instinct and I have to admit I find the adrenaline of combat more exciting then sex... yeah I mean maybe it's becuase I am a freak but hey we cant all be the same.