Are you talking about the Pharoah or the people? Or do you think they are one and the same? 
^^ Faisal, This is from a ‘Islam for children’ site…
It’s very short but well written…It says what I want to say, but I wouldn’t have to type so pasting it…
Prophet Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam)
Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) was a great prophet. When he was young, he lived among people who refused to worship Allah. Instead they prayed to other things, among them idols which they had made themselves. Once Ibrahim said to his father, “Do you take these idols for gods? If you do, then you and your people are wrong.”
Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) knew it was not right to worship idols, for it was against the will of Allah. Allah had also taught Ibrahim many other things. One evening, for instance, Ibrahim saw a bright star in the sky and he said, “That is my God!” But as the star faded away it became clear to Ibrahim that the star was not God.
On another occasion, Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) saw the moon shining brightly in the night sky, and he again said. “That is my God!” But as the moon disappeared, Ibrahim realized that the moon was not God.
Finally, he saw the bright sun rising at dawn and he said, "That must be my God because it is the biggest thing in the sky. "But when sunset came, Ibrahim realized, once more, that this was not God. Only Allah was God. Ibrahim then said, “O my people, I am free from your guilt of worshipping other gods apart from Allah. I firmly and truly turn my face to Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and I shall never worship any god but Allah.” Who is the creator of all these things. For Allah had created the stars, the sun and the moon. Allah is the Master of the worlds.
Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) went among the people and told them they must worship Allah only. For it is Allah Who created the stars, the sun, and the moon. Allah also created the plants, and animals for food. The sun, moon and stars cannot give anything to eat. Allah has made the earth so that people can live on it. Therefore people should turn away from their false gods and worship Allah alone, and always do good.
Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) spoke of all these things and also said to his father and his people: "What are these images to which you are so devoted? “Our fathers worshipped them,” they replied. “You and your fathers, you have clearly been wrong,” Ibrahim rejoined. Then he informed them that they should worship only Allah, who has created everything.
Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) also had a plan for dealing with the idols. When the people were out of the way, Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) broke all their idols and images to pieces. But he left intact and unbroken the biggest idol of all. When the people discovered their idols all smashed and in pieces, they were very angry. “Who has done this to our gods?” they cried. Then some of them remembered that they had heard Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) speaking against their idols. So, they brought Ibrahim and asked him, “Are you the one who did this to our gods, O Ibrahim?(Alaih Assalaam)” He replied, “No, it was the biggest one of them who did it. Why do you not ask them, if they can speak properly?”
At this, the idol-worshippers felt ashamed. “You know very well that they cannot speak,” they told Ibrahim. “Do you then worship things that can neither be of any good to you nor do you any harm?” Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) asked.
At this, the people became angrier than ever. In revenge, they threw Ibrahim into a fire. Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) might have been badly burned, perhaps killed. But he had Allah’s help. Allah made the fire cool so that Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) was not burned at all.
Later, Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) left these idolatrous people and went to another country. when he was an old man, he had two sons, Ismail(Alaih Assalaam) and Ishaq(Alaih Assalaam). Both of them were good and just men, and both were prophets of Allah. Ishaq(Alaih Assalaam)’s son Yaqub(Alaih Assalaam), was also a prophet. So you can see that Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) and his children were greatly blessed by Allah.
But first, Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) had to endure a great test. An angel came to him and said: You have to sacrifice your only son. Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) became very sad at this, but all the same, he know that Allah had given him an order and he had to obey it. But first of all, he asked his son if he would agree. The son was good and pious, and he consoled his father: Dear father, he said calmly, if Allah has ordered it, then you must obey, so sacrifice me. Do not fear: with the help of Allah, I shall be brave.
So, full of sorrow, Ibrahim (Alaih Assalaam)prepared to kill his son. But before he actually did so, he heard a voce: You have shown your good intentions, the voice told Ibrahim, this is sufficient. You have already fulfilled Allah’s will.
Thus Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam)’s son was saved, and Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) understood that Allah had been testing him. Of course, Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) was overcome with joy that he would not have to kill his son. They both thanked Allah and sacrificed instead an animal, as Allah had ordered.
To remember this occasion we Muslims celebrate every year and like Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) and his son, we sacrifice an animal. This reminds us that Allah put Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) to a test to see whether he would really obey him. Prophet Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) passed the test and we celebrate in remembrance of this. Like Prophet Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam), we also share the meat of the sacrificed animal with the poor people and our friends. On this occasion, we also thank Allah for everything that He has given us and for the lesson He taught us through the rescue of Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam)’s son.
Later, Ibrahim(Alaih Assalaam) and his son Ismail(Alaih Assalaam) built the Ka’ba in Makkah and then they both prayed: O Allah, take this house in Your grace and help us and the people who come to us to be truly good Muslims.
Allah heard this prayer, and blessed the Ka’ba and the town of Makkah. To this day, Muslims all over the world turn and face in the direction of the Ka’ba in Makkah when they are praying. Muslims from all over the world come to the Ka’ba during the pilgrimage season. They come on foot, on camels, by car and aeroplanes. The Ka’ba is the oldest prayer house of Allah on earth. It is at the Ka’ba that all Muslims worship Allah together, and that includes all those who lived earlier, all those who are living now and all those who will live in the future.
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Faisal, This is from a 'Islam for children' site...
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Children stories, some times try to simplify things for children so they don't get too confused. Once you grow up, you are expected to read about more accurate historical facts rather than just relying on children's books. :)
In any case, I think this is getting way off tangent. Jews as a group were the most favorite people of Almighty on Earth. However Quran explains why they lost the favor. We don't have to embellish historical facts. They are there for us to read and ponder. There are a lot of lessons for muslims in the history of Bani Israel. So I'd rather see similarities between the jews and how present-day muslims are ungrateful to their Creator and are immersed in wordly good, than to gloat at the misfortunes and punishments metted out to Jews.
Muslims, as a group are not doing terribly well in sticking to the message of their Creator and His Messanger. This is the single biggest cause of all the misfortunes facing our Ummah.
^^Some would argue that the Quran is not based historical facts…
The story of Hazrat Ibrahim :as: that I gave is in fact what is taught in every Sunni school of thougt, that’s why I quoted it…
And yes, it is simple but accurate…Aren’t simple things the easiest to adopt?
In fact, I like it when people tend to explain things to me as if I was a 7 year old child…
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"Are you the one who did this to our gods, O Ibrahim?(Alaih Assalaam)" He replied, "No, it was the biggest one of them who did it. Why do you not ask them, if they can speak properly?"
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see.. if it were George Washington.. he'd have fessed up and not lied.. is this being taught to some kids somewhere??
^^ A drop of water nourishes the rose and a drop of water nourishes the weed…The same kind of water grows both…
Knowledge is everywhere, it’s how you use it that’s different…
Ibrahim :as: had a point to make breaking the gods of a people, Washington cut down a tree for whatever reason…
A little like comparing oranges and apples, don’t you say?
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In fact, I like it when people tend to explain things to me as if I was a 7 year old child.
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You may be onto something here. So how old are you, again? :-)
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see.. if it were George Washington.. he'd have fessed up and not lied.. is this being taught to some kids somewhere??
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Quran 21:58-63
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So he broke them to pieces (all) but the biggest of them that they might turn (and address themselves) to it.
They said "Who has done this to our gods? He must indeed be some man of impiety!"
They said "We heard a youth talk of them: he is called Abraham."
They said "Then bring him before the eyes of the people that they may bear witness:"
They said "Art thou the one that did this with our gods O Abraham?"
He said: "Nay this was done by this their their biggest one! Ask them if they can speak intelligently!"
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thats what Quran tells us and it also tells us that
Quran 60:4
There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham....
so u can follow any washingtom u like, we (muslims) have good examples to follow as guided by Quran....
and do u read Quran with only this depth to believe Ibrahim (as) lied????
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To this day I am confused over the son's of Abraham.
Who was it that Abraham was instructed to sacrafice before God?
Isaac? or Ishmael?
The story of Isaac is on the old testement, stories told prior to Jesus/Christianity and Mohammad/Islam.
When did it become Ismael? And weren't they halfbrothers?
Christians call Jesus the Lamb of God.
As far as I know, Prophet Abraham (or Ibraheem) - may Allah be pleased with him - married Sarah. They did not had any children for the longest time. In their old age, Sarah became pregnant and gave birth to Isaac (Ishaaq). Abraham had married Hager (Hajirah) too and had a son from her, by the name of Shmuel (Ismaeel). So, Isaac and Shmuel were half brothers.
Quran tells us the story of sacrifice, and that it was Shmuel who was taken for sacrifice by his father, Abraham. So thats what muslims believe in. There are several other stories in the Quran about Shmuel, and how on the command of Almighty, Abraham took Hager and a baby Shmuel into the desert of Arabia and left them alone there. Shmuel was crying for water and Hager desperately ran from one hill top to another for any signs of water. While crying Shmuel stomped his feet on the desert, and from there water came out. The water is still coming out from that spot and is known as ZamZam by muslims. It is claimed to have miraculous healing powers.
Since Moses (and Christ) were from the decendants of Isaac, so the jews believe that Isaac is the only true son and prophet after Abraham. However, based on Quranic stories, muslims believe that both Isaac and Shmuel were prophets. Muhammad - peace and blessings be upon him - is from the decendants of Shmuel. Although jews and christians at that time, did know that another prophet will come, they were not prepared to accept that the new prophet will come from the family of Shmuel and not Isaac (Bani Israel), therefore they did not accept Muhammad.
Quran calls Abaraham as the "Father of All Prophets". He was such a special Prophet, that all prophets after his are from his lineage.
I hope the above will serve as a little clarification from the muslim perspective. Where possible, I try to avoid lengthy cut-pastes from external sites to keep the message simple.
A Covenant through Isaac Not Ishmael!
Genesis 17
15 God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. 16 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."
17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?" 18 And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!" **
19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [4] **"I will establish my covenant with HIM as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him." 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 *"BUT my covenant I will establish with ISAAC, *"whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
Did God have a change of heart, a few thousand years later??
Changez_like
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....beccause it ws his wish and Allah Almigghty acccepted this wish of his
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Mind sharing info on "his wish" ?
Hazrat Ibrahims wish was that some great Prophet of Allah to be born in his family and it was accepted as the birth of Holy Prophet PBUh
Your quote from the Torah is very appropriate for this issue…However, the Torah was written before Jesus:asalam: and before our Holy Prophet :saw:…
Torah is a book which Muslims even today regard in high esteem and respect as being the word of Allah :swt:, however since Christianity voided the teachings of the Torah, Muslims followed Christianity, and when Islam came, it voided the Bible, another book which we attribute to Allah :swt:…Which in turn guided the Muslims to Islam and the final message.
What happened within 1,000 years, whether this or that can be argued for centuries…Muslims just believe in the final message, however that does not dilute the respect that they hold for other books…It’s just that they disregard previous messages now…However I occasionally like to open the Bible a couple of times…
And Deuteronomy, guides us to the last Prophet…The Holy Prophet :saw:…
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As far as I know, Prophet Abraham (or Ibraheem) - may Allah be pleased with him - married Sarah. They did not had any children for the longest time. In their old age, Sarah became pregnant and gave birth to Isaac (Ishaaq). Abraham had married Hager (Hajirah) too and had a son from her, by the name of Shmuel (Ismaeel). So, Isaac and Shmuel were half brothers.
Quran tells us the story of sacrifice, and that it was Shmuel who was taken for sacrifice by his father, Abraham. So thats what muslims believe in. There are several other stories in the Quran about Shmuel, and how on the command of Almighty, Abraham took Hager and a baby Shmuel into the desert of Arabia and left them alone there. Shmuel was crying for water and Hager desperately ran from one hill top to another for any signs of water. While crying Shmuel stomped his feet on the desert, and from there water came out. The water is still coming out from that spot and is known as ZamZam by muslims. It is claimed to have miraculous healing powers.
Since Moses (and Christ) were from the decendants of Isaac, so the jews believe that Isaac is the only true son and prophet after Abraham. However, based on Quranic stories, muslims believe that both Isaac and Shmuel were prophets. Muhammad - peace and blessings be upon him - is from the decendants of Shmuel. Although jews and christians at that time, did know that another prophet will come, they were not prepared to accept that the new prophet will come from the family of Shmuel and not Isaac (Bani Israel), therefore they did not accept Muhammad.
Quran calls Abaraham as the "Father of All Prophets". He was such a special Prophet, that all prophets after his are from his lineage.
I hope the above will serve as a little clarification from the muslim perspective. Where possible, I try to avoid lengthy cut-pastes from external sites to keep the message simple.
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By your story Faisal, I know that both were son's of Abraham and both were sacraficed to God, and thus are both god's children.
Whereas Ismael's blood was sacraficed in the desert.
Issac was put before Abraham to offer as a blood sacrafice.
But God granted absolution to Abraham by granting his grace and blessings upon both of his sons.
IMHO is Gods grace on mankind. Was God's way of saying he loves all.
Huh??.. What are you saying here? If Muslims followed Christianity, would they not have been Christians ??
Albeit, at no point in time did/does/or ever will, Christianity void the Torah. I think you should get your facts straight. The Torah is considered a vital part of the Bible, (The Old Testament) and unlike the Quran which runs down the teachings of the Bible to replace them with “new” or “refurbished” ones, the Torah is the foundation of Christianity. Christians resent the implication that the Word of God is like a lottery ticket that has an expiry date, and has to be replaced with the passage of time, to accomodate a different group of people. We believe God himself is the author of it. His message encompases all people of all time and He is the one to consequently preserve its contents. That’s what makes it so unique from other written works.
Listen to what Christ himself has to say about this matter.
The Fulfillment of the Law
Matthew 5:17-20
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, **not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, **will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
We can debate until kingdom come regarding the Deuteronomy verse, but lets leave that for another day.
Huh??.... What are you saying here? If Muslims followed Christianity, would they not have been Christians ??
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''Huh'' what do u think .....according to islam all the messngers conveyed Allahs message and thus are Muslims , or Muslimman the ritious ppl or te ppl which follow the right path. Hazrat Ibrahim named his umm al Muslimli moon.
Re: Why did Islam started in Saudi Arabia?
A small correction:
Islam did not start from “Saudi Arabia”, it started from Hejaz.
The kingdom Saudi Arabia after the name of Saud is a recent phenomenon. There was no such thing as Saudi Arabia before 1930s.
Re: Re: Why did Islam started in Saudi Arabia?
Isn’t Hejaz the modern day Saudi Arabia?
As for others wow I must say 
I am lost and don’t understand what you guys are saying with relation to my topic …it was okay the first 3 or so replies but after that…i don’t know 
** Why was the Holy Prophet raised in Arabia? **
That the last Divine guidance should shine forth from Arabia was determined by Divine wisdom. The Arabs are descended from Ishmael who was cut asunder from Israel and had, under Divine wisdom, been cast into the wilderness of Paran (Faran), which means two fugitives. The descendants of Ishmael had been cut asunder from Bani Israel by Abraham himself and they had no part in the law of the Torah, as was written that they would not inherit from Isaac.
Thus they were abandoned by those to whom they belonged and had no relationship with anyone else. In all other countries there were some traces of worship and commandments which indicated that they had at one time received instruction from prophets. Arabia alone was a country that was utterly unacquainted with such teachings and was the most backward of all. Its turn came last of all and it received the benefit of a universal prophethood, so that all countries might share again in the blessings of prophethood, and the errors that had become current in the meantime among them might be weeded out.
Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam, by Promised Massiah (as)