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i'll drop the names of a few groups of people and that'll be enough to get the entire population of modern liberal minded muslims all worked up, labelling them as khwaarij and kafirs and wanting them dead.
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What do beliefs have to do with the pace of life. Pace of life is set by technology and advances of science. They have nothing to do with religious beliefs, infact Islam advocates learning and advancing in the fields of science, unlike the Church.
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^ Then why has it been hundreds of years since Muslims have seen advancements in science and technology and the rest of the world is running circles around them? If it isn't religious beliefs holding the education and advancement of Muslims back, what is it, the modern day interpretation of Islam?
When there is such a gap between theory and practice they has to be a logical reason.
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I dont know why these so called modernists RashGuys are claiming that it is the religion of Islam that has kept muslims from being an advanced society. It is true that muslims are lagging behind but its unfair to blame islam for that. Today's muslim is not clear about his own religion; what is halal, what is haram, what they should follow and what not is not clear to them. It is their fault. They should have focused more towards religion and in this modern age they should have been thinking ahead in time, not looking behind and solving the religious mysteries e.g "music or non-zabiha is halal or haram". In fact as against the claims of these modernists, it is the distance of the muslims from their religion that is responsible for their failures. Islam teaches getting education, staying away from bad habits and sins, remaining in pure condition, working for the welfare of others and all other practices that help not only muslims but rest of the world. Muslims of today can not even help themselves, what are they expected to help others. It is simply too much to ask to give a reason for this state of the muslim in one post prepared in just few minutes, but many of the ideas expressed above do provide insights here and there.
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you are right brother..
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Kindly explain this qoute!///\
Does Islam ask to learn Deen, religion as the only knowledge…or does it preach to gain knowledg of science, mathematics, history etc?
And please prove with quotes from religious texts!
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Does Islam ask to learn Deen, religion as the only knowledge...or does it preach to gain knowledg of science, mathematics, history etc?
And please prove with quotes from religious texts!
islam preach to gain also knowledge of science, mathematics, history ect is right answer.
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Does Islam ask to learn Deen, religion as the only knowledge...or does it preach to gain knowledg of science, mathematics, history etc?
And please prove with quotes from religious texts!
Who said that Islam doesn't allow you to learn wordly education? Why would Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala not let His slaves learn wordly knowledge?
You see, this is the problem with you! you don't know nothing about Islam except what you hear from media and you just come here and argue without having any kind of knowledge.
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Does Islam ask to learn Deen, religion as the only knowledge...or does it preach to gain knowledg of science, mathematics, history etc?
And please prove with quotes from religious texts!
The rule in Islam is that, with regards to worldly matters...everything is allowed unless its explicitly forbidden.
No where is it mentioned that one shouldn't strive to gain wordly knowledge, infact its highly recommended to do so. The first of the Quran that were revealed were..."Read, read in the name of your Lord..."
And when you do look at Quran and Hadith and study them in depth, there are scientific wonders; wonders that sparked the golden age of Islam and muslims triumphed in the all fields of life be it math, astronomy, biology, medicine, chemistry, navigation.
And those were the days, when the mulims state was governed by Shariah completely, and scientists and scholars were given government grants and libraries were opened for them to facilitate for their research.
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The egyptians had there share of golden period.
The Greeks had there share of golden period.
The Indians had a share of golden era.
The romans had a share of golden era.
Then Islam, had its golden period.
Then the renaissance, which was created by Islam spread all over europe.
Then look at the past history, compare 1870, what UK was and whats its today 1870, it was a superpower.
Then came in the period of communists .
Today US is a superpower.
In the future china its got all its chances, to be a supreme leader and followed by India.
If we look at the above list few eras had reached there zenith and have fallen down, where they had to start right from the scratch.
Now muslim are blocked by the law of Allaah, yes we are and there is no compulsion for us if any one is interested not to follow, they can walk out. But for us this world is just a test.
As mentioned above by Sharaabi about education, i dont wont to touch on those points and its just perfect.
The point is Allaah is testing us through such a period, and yes Inshallaah we will come out of it. We believe in him, we have our trust in Allaah, and help from Allaah. Our Propphet salaAllaahwaliuwasalam went through a tough period will you then say Muslims are powerless, though he was supported by Allaah, infact it was a test of humanity.
Now if we had to rule the world for 1400 years, where is the test of tenacity. Please overcome this mirage, they are other factors where Muslims have also gone wrong, but to proclaim Muslims are just scum of the earth is a baseless argument.
So the secularists, anti-islamic forces, basically want our countries to be like an open economy or free economy.
Thats consists of capitalism, drinking alcohol, prostitution, pornography, gambling and women as sex objects, etc..(Sure FDI will flow in) Yes if we look at all the industrialized nations of the world they follow all this as a formula for success. Dubai in pursuit of this, is a live example.
Live example is the cultural change in India, no doubt its booming but it will have to sacrifice its culture. I as an Indian stick my neck out and dont speak about the other Indians.
You want materialistic life, of this world then everyone is welcome. **But Muslims generally are happy with the life after this world. **
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smma59, AllahkaBanda, Sharaabi.......
Everytime we find only excuses, explanations and interpretations....but can any of you qoute from Islamic religious texts what does it actually mean when it says 'seek knowledg'?
Everytime Muslims challange to produce quotes from Quran, but in this matter I never find any reply.
Recently we have confronted a hard core Taleban regime, which had declared that anything apart from Quran and related texts was a satanic knowledge. Were Talebans un-Islamic?
..."Read, read in the name of your Lord..." It is a quote only in support of Quran.
Wonders, science, geographycal myths in Quran....I think it is not a proper thread and useless to waste time, when everything depends on interpretations.
When Muslims boast of scientific progress in some mid centuries......had those scientists trailed if they were not Muslims? And what about Jews scientists famous all arround the centuries......where did they seek*'knowledge'* while remaining anti-Islamic forever.
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I dont think there is any point in telling anything at all to anjjan, he has chosen his name to utmost accuracy. I believe he acts like a brick wall which does not want to or does not have the power to understand anything. So why not just ignore his posts; one does not have to prove anything to him.
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Does Islam ask to learn Deen, religion as the only knowledge...or does it preach to gain knowledg of science, mathematics, history etc?
And please prove with quotes from religious texts!
Surah 96
(1. Read! In the Name of your Lord Who created.) (2. He has created man from a clot.) (3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.) (4. Who has taught by the pen.) (5. He has taught man that which he knew not.)
Only Bold Part
These Ayat inform of the beginning of man's creation from a dangling clot, and that out of Allah's generosity He taught man that which he did not know. Thus, Allah exalted him and honored him by giving him knowledge, and it is the dignity that the Father of Humanity, Adam, was distinguished with over the angels. Knowledge sometimes is in the mind, sometimes on the tongue, and sometimes in writing with the fingers. Thus, it may be intellectual, spoken and written. And while the last (written) necessitates the first two (intellectual and spoken), the reverse is not true.
For this reason Allah says,
(Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous. Who has taught by the pen. He has taught man that which he knew not.) There is a narration that states, "Record knowledge by writing.'' There is also a saying which states, "Whoever acts according to what he knows, Allah will make him inherit knowledge that he did not know.''
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yo_wasim Thanks for your nice efforts. Earlier when some Muslim fellows declared in this thread that Quran does not say not to study science, etc. I was doubtful if they have not read the verse….
Who has taught by the pen. 96:4
And the word ‘pen or Qalam’ has a great significance. There is no doubt and you can make all claims.
Here are some verses…..
22:51] While those who strive to thwart Our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire.
22:52] Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
And it further declares…..
22:54] And that those who have been given knowledge may know that it is the truth from thy Lord, so that they may believe therein and their hearts may submit humbly unto Him. Lo! Allah verily is guiding those who believe unto a right path.
The verse 22:54 makes declaration that Quran is the ultimate truth. And all counter actions are efforts of Shaitan [22:51-53]
There are some verses in Quran about the truth of our galaxy system…..It says that all stars, planets including Sun are floating. [21:31-33] And the earth is smooth, (flat or subservient) . [67:15]
These notions are directly taken from old Jews and Christian religious scriptures.
Today we know that the Sun is not rotating and the earth is not flat, and in fact all planets and our earth are rotating around the Sun.
Pls tell me if you and wise Muslims have objections to the scientific revelations as Shaitan efforts over the verses of Quran??
Ps I am continuing this discussion with no intention of offending anyone. Pls bear with me!
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ajjan do u know that Quran is for people of every time period, that way it was explained so even sum1 1400 years understand and people from today can understand...the Quran is the ultimate truth, anything that discredits it is false, and that contradicts it is wrong, anyway ur claims r wrong, may i ask where u get these translations, the ones i'm looking at say sumthing different and 67:15 says that earth is subservient/for us, since when does it mean that its flat or smooth?
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Anjann, below i have quoted the same verses of the Quran, with laymans english, and with some understanding.
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22:51] While those who strive to thwart Our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire.
22:52] Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
And it further declares…..
22:54] And that those who have been given knowledge may know that it is the truth from thy Lord, so that they may believe therein and their hearts may submit humbly unto Him. Lo! Allah verily is guiding those who believe unto a right path.
The verse 22:54 makes declaration that Quran is the ultimate truth. And all counter actions are efforts of Shaitan [22:51-53]
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But the ones who strove against Our verses, [seeking] to cause failure (1) — those
are the companions of Hellfire.And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he
spoke [or recited]; Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses (2). And Allah is
Knowing and Wise.[That is] so He may make what Satan throws in * a trial for those within whose hearts is disease (3) and those hard of heart. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in extreme dissension.
And so those who were given knowledge may know that it is the truth from your
Lord and [therefore] believe in it, and their hearts humbly submit to it. And indeed is
Allah the Guide of those who have believed to a straight path.
1. i.e. trying to undermine their credibility and thereby defeat the Prophet (sallallaahu
alaihi wa sallam).
2. Clarifying those issues which were misunderstood to remove any doubt.
3. The “disease” mentioned here includes doubt, hypocrisy, arrogance and disbelief.
*
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There are some verses in Quran about the truth of our galaxy system…..It says that all stars, planets including Sun are** floating**. [21:33]
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Anjann the website you picked it up from, quotes Surah Hajj 22 51-54exactly as you have stated. But unfortunately they forgot to finish the complete Ayah of 21:33, *an intellectual guy like you should have done some research before blindly putting it up here. *
How did they beat your aql, first by stating Allaah is stated Quran is the ultimate truth they have completely hypnotized you and then mention the verses such as 21:33, 67:15 and then finish it off with a gallant style that Quran is plagiarised from the Jews and Christian scripturess.
First let me only quote missing words in Ayah 21:33, they missed out moon, an extra star which means najm, and floating in the orbit.
I will write in Arabic
Wahuwa Alathzee khalaqa alayla alnahara waalshamsa, waalqamara fee falakin yasbahoona
First let me write the meaning of specific words, and then the complete paraphrase
Wa = And
Huwa = He
Khalaqa = Create
Layla = Night
Nahara = Day
Shams = Sun
Qamara = Moon
Fee = In
Yasbahoona = he Arabic word used in the above verse is** yasbahoon** . This word is derived from the word sabaha. It carries with it the idea of motion that comes from any moving body.
Now the complete meaning
And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all **[heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.**** (This is written in laymans language)**
Before I proceed, have you ever imagined the creation of Allaah why is that Sun and the Moon dont fall down to eartth and we are so lucky its floating or swimming. We know that anything which goes up, has to come down but what about sun and the Moon.
Is someone holding up the sun and moon, thats what Allaah challenges ponder around the creation of Allaah.
I did not have to go all that far, I picked up the Quran of the same verses 22 51-54, ditto , in the sense with the words.
But then its a deception of anti-islam forces, who are working with the root level of the Quran and quoting it wrong.
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These notions are directly taken from old Jews and Christian religious scriptures.
Today we know that the Sun is not rotating and the earth is not flat, and in fact all planets and our earth are rotating around the Sun.
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I would love if you could read book written by Dr. Maurice Bucaille a French man, the title of the Book is Quran and Bible in the Light of Science
So, we wise Muslims, are ordered by Allaah to follow Quran and we trust in Allaah.
But it for wise non-muslims to ponder this verses in Light of Science.
As far as it goes, Jew and Christians claim Prophet Mohammed salaAllaahwaliuwasalam copied the scriptures from Bible and Torah, and from a man called Waraqa who was a christian and Uncle of Hazrath Khadija. But even that claims are way away from the truth.
Have you read the first few verses of Bible, if you can just get across Genesis and read first chapter of Genesis from 1-14. This is Old testament.
I am waiting for your reply first, but instead open a new thread.
All this was covered in a Thread Quran in the Light of science but was, unfortunately closed.
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Who is is writing this, it refers to God as third person so someone is writing About God? AND, sun and moon are out of Earths gravity so can not fall on earth. The only thing which can not be known to Human is one which does not exist. if you dont know it does not mean that it can not be known, if it exists that is. If God exists, Human would most definitely shake hand with God if Humans think that God can not be known to human then God does not exist.
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yo_wasim Can you just inform me in simple words what does Quran say about the cosmos system and the shape of our earth and if it really differs from the older religious beleifs?
I am more interested to know the truth. Whereas everyone here is stressing more on ‘Who created it’.
And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.…So how can I understand the word…swimming, floating for Sun etc???
And off course you do not tell me if any scientific revelation surpasses Quranic verses…what will be yours and Wise Muslim’ reaction?
Re quran and science…pls do not forget that Islamic scholars do not use the verse any more…Only Allah knows what is there in a womb.
Do you know and accept the reason or you have any other observation?
Pls be frank!
Ps, for your information the Web site I have studied is…