WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO POWERLESS?

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First you agree the website you copy pasted from earlier was wrong as it had even star in that verse.

Ok only the bold parts, anjjann you are talking to a guy who became a believer of Islam only because of scientific facts, believe nothing great I just studied no research but then Allaah guided me.

Yasbahoona = Arabic word used in the above verse is** yasbahoon** . This word is derived from the word sabaha. It carries with it the idea of motion that comes from any moving body.
Now let me make you understand the same meaning, if i say Anta anjjann sabaha, ala sharaa.
I meant You anjann is **It carries with it the idea of motion that comes from any moving body **on road.

If you use this word for a person on the ground, it would not mean that he is rolling but would imply that he is walking or running. If you use this word for a person in water, it would not mean that he is floating but would imply that he is swimming. Similarly, if you use the word yasbah for a celestial body such as the sun, it would not only mean that it is flying through space but would also mean that it is rotating as it goes through space. This is from the Lexicon Arabic.

Only Allah knows what is there in a womb

Yes most of them interpret with modern science that you know whether it is a male or a female child.
But again, its you own explaination the complete meaning is can we know the character, the age of that individual before it retires this world, whether its soul is good or bad.
Now what about the Scholars dont they know the Hadith.
Prophet Mohamed salaAllaahwaliuwasalam, says here i am just paraphrasing it.
Each child in the womb at 40 days, Allaah sends an Angel to blow the spirit in the womb regarding the character, individual age before it retires this world and about soul is good or bad.
This also comes, in what Prophet says no ones knows 5 things except Allaah.
One is what is there in the womb of a Mother.

Yes they are scientific factors in the Quran, which describes the Shape of the Earth precisely, and plagiarisation from the Old scriptures how could it be right a no no. Where in old scriptures its been described Earth is flat.

For us Muslim, Quran is a SIGN for us that Ayah, but for non-believers they can take it as SCIENCE. You r getting my drift right

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Actually Anjjan, you are very very wrong here. The Arabic words used for this are not in the meaning for male and female. The word "what" here is not implying to just gender but it encompasses a whole lot more then gender. There is no appropriate translation for that word in English, the closest was using "what". Only so-called scholars who have little knowledge of Arabic language get stumped on this verse. Gender is one aspect of the meaning of the word used in Arabic for this verse. In the Arabic it "Ma", which is not a gender specific "what" as translated into English., if it were gender specific "what" it would be "Mun" in Arabic. Of course this is probably flying over your head but believe me when I say it.

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This new translation and interpretation was given after 1980s. And I can assure you that we are not very far from the day when computer would not only determine the character and behavior but would also be in a position to give ’what is there in a womb’ it a particular color as per demand.

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I am not much interested in this discussion if no one can tell me in simple words what Quran says...
I repeat..

Can you just inform me in simple words what does Quran say about the cosmos system and the shape of our earth and if it really differs from the older religious beleifs?

Without the base information of solar system no one can claim knowledge of heavenly bodies.

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But the saying of the Prophet was 1400 years old anjjann, now how can you deny that. Anyways, its left upto you. Its a matter of faith, or the interpretation of the scholars is wrong.
Either I am right or you are right nothing in between.

Regarding the keywords, why do u need the computer, you should be knowing regarding zodian signs, astrology how they try to generalize the character its been since 1000's of years, which you cant deny.

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In early times, people believed that the earth was flat. For centuries, men were afraid to venture out too far, for fear of falling off the edge! Sir Francis Drake was the first person who proved that the earth is spherical when he sailed around it in 1597.
Consider the following Qur’anic verse regarding the alternation of day and night:

“Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night?” [Al-Qur’an 31:29]

Merging here means that the night slowly and gradually changes to day and vice versa. This phenomenon can only take place if the earth is spherical. If the earth was flat, there would have been a sudden change from night to day and from day to night.

The following verse also alludes to the spherical shape of the earth:

“He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day,and the Day overlap the Night.” [Al-Qur’an 39:5]

The Arabic word used here is Kawwara meaning ‘to overlap’ or ‘to coil’– the way a turban is wound around the head. The overlapping or coiling of the day and night can only take place if the earth is spherical. The earth is not exactly round like a ball, but geo-spherical, i.e. it is flattened at the poles. The following verse contains a description of the earth’s shape:

“And the earth, moreover, hath He made egg shaped.” [Al-Qur’an 79:30]

The Arabic word for egg here is dahaahaa1 which means an ostrich-egg. The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth. Thus the Qur’an correctly describes the shape of the earth, though the prevalent notion when the Qur’an was revealed was that the earth was flat.

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Pic 1 shape of the earth,

Pic 2 is Shape of an ostrich egg.

First One Day,India Vs West Indies-Kingston, June 26th
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[Shakir 79:30] And the earth, He expanded it after that.
[Yusufali 79:30] And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);
[Pickthal 79:30] And after that He spread the earth,
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 79:30]

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

Daha means further expansion of the earth. It may refer to the upper soil of the earth which grows food for all the created beings

http://www.al-islam.org/quran/Quran2.asp

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Bhaijaan hum ko pata hain aap ye leke aayenge, thats why i restricted myself from posting the ones below

The Arabic word dahaha has been translated by A. Yusuf Ali as “vast expanse”, which also is correct. The word dahaha also means an ostrich-egg.

THE EARTH’S GEOID SHAPE

After that He smoothed out the earth. (Qur’an, 79:30)

In the above verse, the word “daha” is used in the original Arabic. It, translated as “smoothed out,” comes from the word “dahv,” meaning “to spread.” Although the word “dahv” also means to cover or to set out, the meaning of the verb is more than just a prosaic setting out, since it describes setting out in a circle.

The concept of roundness is also present in other words derived from “dahv.” For example, the word “dahv” also refers to children dropping a ball into a hole in the ground, games involving throwing stones into holes and games played with walnuts. Words derived from that root are also used for an ostrich making a nest, cleaning stones from where it is about to lie down, the place where it lays its eggs and the egg itself.

Indeed, the Earth is round, in a manner reminiscent of an egg. The slightly flattened spherical shape of the Earth is known as geoid. From that point of view, the use of the word “daha” contains important information about the shape that Allah has given to the Earth. For hundreds of years, people imagined the Earth to be completely flat and only learned the truth thanks to technology. Yet, this fact was revealed in the Qur’an fourteen centuries ago.

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The thread title is 'WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO POWERLESS?' or we can understand it as Why Muslims are trailing' and I think that the rights given to the Islamic scholars and interpretors to freely play with the Words of Allah in order to prove the superirity of Quran and Muslims by any means is the base reason for all problems, past and present in the history of Islam.

Thanks for a nice discussion, friends!

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Anjjan, the commonality with you and others is the same. The difference is you use aql your own aql and we have iman.

Why Muslims are trailing, why dont you argue with me buddy, do your research prove my explaination wrong. Which your not able to do so. Once you were cornered with explanation you wanted to relinquish this debate.

Remember one thing anjjan to the questions asked, i knew you already know the answers for this.

Guy who doesnt know his own religious scriptures, and reads the Quran to find mistakes and later, comments on Muslims that we freely play with the words is utter foolishness(no pun intended). Its not only you i have seen hundreds like you its common.

Btw, the words above what I have written are by scholars such as Dr. Zakir Naik and Harun Yahya not my own buddy boy. I did my research later, and the answer is unanimous, though i also agree with spread out.

Dr. Zakir had a debate with Dr. William Cambell about Quran and Bible in the Light of Science, if all my explanation, were wrong dont you think Dr. William Cambell should have, infact in the rebuttal told Dr. Zakir naik you speaking utter bull.

But since Dr. William Cambell is knowledgeable unlike some people around here, he knew Dr. Zakir spoke right. Mind you Dr. William Cambell knows arabic and did live in Morocco for 20 years and wrote a book against Dr. Maurice Bucaille, the contradictions in Qursn wrt science.

Anjaan, if you think you are intelligent we know when to play around with your own words, i wanted you to come back and tell me we are talking utter bull. But my above points is sufficient for you. I did not mention this in the beginning as usual, you would have bounced back with something or the other.

With one verse you are getting stuck regarding the Quran, reading from a website called www.answering-i…org, getting my drift right.

Does that really matter if that verse was spread out or its ostrich egg shaped(both are correct ) get the Arabic Dictionary, thats Lexicon, and read the etymology of this word dahaha. I have no problems agreeing with the both. Because Quran is the book of SCIENCE for non-muslims and its the book of SIGNS for Muslims, but you hardly understand.

Btw, I hope you can understand my drift and incapability for arguing with me.
Probably you could not find the answer for my reasoning in your anti-islam websites.

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yo_wasim What for you are offended?
If you are really serious to prove the superiority of Quran (to which I no objection), kindly tell me how Muslim scholars used to translate or interprate this verse [Al-Qur’an 79:30] before 1597 when Sir Francis Drake proved the earth’spherical shape.
If possible take help of Zakir Naik and Harun Yahya!

Why is it so that the verses of Holy Quran (the Word of God) are given new interpretations and translations with the advancement of science? Do not you find it derogatory for a Holy book?

I really wonder if science is leading the Holy Quran?

If Quran is a book of SIGNS for Muslims…why Muslims are trailing? You may have the typical answer that Muslims en-mass do not follow Quran…Does it mean that Quran no longer remains a SIGNS for Muslims? Whose failure is it?

And off course I am always handicapped when I face a stubborn catagory. You are absolutely right.

And once again…thanks for a nice discussion!

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Thanks to you anjjann and baseless talks
Anyways i have this video for you, if you are interested just go throught it and we should stop this topic. Regarding the Why Muslims are trailing I have my own post in this ver thread thats 50.
Click on the below link
Science proofs Allaah is from Quran

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Egypt, Romans, Greeks and Indians’ glorious past…..these are all races from different regions and the religion played only an instrumental role and never as a binding blind force in their successes. And for that reason today these people do not have any hangover of their glorious past.

Whereas an illiterate Muslim sitting in a slum in Bangladesh is sure that he was a party to the ruling Muslim classes who conquered Spain and that his religious scriptures are complete and final knowledge for a simple reason that the Imam of the nearby Mosque has confirmed him of all kind of Islamic superiority. What is left for him to do…only Allah knows!

I congratulate you that you have won in this thread! I am left with no option but to give up.

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Anjjann go to google video and type Islam Empire of Faith and History about Islam in Europe (Please see it carefully).

Allaah wills today that Muslims are in such condition, then I take it I cant go against the will of Allaah and if the non-muslims are successful then again its by the will of Allaah. Thats my belief and congratulate them for there success.Mind you even the Muslims also had a best time when the non-muslims have borrowed our knowledge.

I am really sorry, you coudnt comprehend my post #50, and your reply please do contemplate again. I never mentioned in the start its because of religion or so, what I meant is every country or region reaches the zenith and falls down. Thats my explanation, not religion.

Btw, you have zero knowledge about Islamic history as you have studied in India, its the same with me I only got know presently, when I studied on my own, from neutral sources.

I dont believe in winning when it comes to religion probably you feel that. If you can come towards the truth its fine thats my objective, but if you want to be sarcastic or pulling legs then I cant help.