Shariah, like any theocracy, exists to support the majority religious group only. It is a source of injustice to all minorities, and even those within the religious group itself.
If application of Shariah to minorities (which is traditionally not done, anyway) is poblematic, then it follows that an application of secular laws to the devout is equally problematic, pretensions of being netural aside. In fact, applying any law which contradicts one's own personal sentiment would be an injustice, going by this standard...
MKD - The cruelty, the torture, misery all has been lost -the moment you used the word ' why are Muslim like this'.
People took this as an attack on Islam.
All their & your tears are in vain.
In fact i dont think ppl should take it as an attack on islam, anytime any1 brings an issue like this up ppl r up in arms saying islam is not this islam is this, yes whtever islam is a religion of peace e.t.c it teaches harmony YET in countries where islam is supposedly practiced things like this happen. Islam gives equal rights to woman as it does to men YET the track record of ALL muslim countries regarding woman and their rights and treatment is outrageous.
It is not an attack on islam, its an attack on muslims nowadays and muslims nowadays ( including myself) are not even close to what muslims are defined as in ISLAm.
There is no point of preaching to other ppl about how great our religion is, our actions demonstrate otherwise, and yes not every muslim man is a wife beater and abuses woman, but why is this treatement of woman so widespread in islamic countries????
ok so my first comment was after watching 1 video (that i'd seen before)
now after watching the first few ive come to the conclusion that some of the reports are very manipulative. as in the case of the oriental woman in the hallway. the camera crew made it out as if the staff were not allowing them to speak to her to cover something up but as i saw it the woman was being protected by the staff from evil story hunters!
on another vid, a girl had left home because of a potential arranged marriage problem. this was a sincere message in that it highlighted a flaw that forced marriages are unislamic. the best way to tackle this problem is to get the word out, forcing marriage is an act of a non muslim. im glad the documentary saw a girl leaving home as a tradegy (obviously different parts of the world would see it as 'normal')
in general pakistani people have no intention of being cruel to women and the effects of these documentaries probably do more harm then good overall. the only recommendation i can offer is for the government to be on hand to help any woman whose situation becomes intolerable
Whether muslim or not as a human one has every right to condemn islamic law in relation to all that has been shown in videos. Yes, islamic perversion law has been used too many times to make a woman’s life at the hands of man heinous and horrendous. One does not know what to say is astounding. Easily these images derserve mighty condmenation and the venemous curse words which come to mind are all the more appropriate..
Unfortunately, the history of women under religion has never been very kind to women. All three are patriarchal in nature and misogynistic in practice under the auspices of a man’s creation for control and subjugation
mama ki dua , who gives u permission to ridicule islamic laws regarding adultry and fornication ?
pakistan is **NOT **an islamic country despite the label , it only applies a few certain regulations which are in shariah
women in pakistani society are mostly uneducated and weak and like the poor , orphans and peasents often exploited by the powerful which they do under various excuses...that has nothing to do with islam or shariah.
The only solution is the rigrous implementation of shariah so that there are no injustices to weak and poor
revisit history starting from General Zia. *very much a misspeak *
Shariah, like any theocracy, exists to support the majority religious group only. It is a source of injustice to all minorities, and even those within the religious group itself.
What needs to happen is that people need to be reconditioned and educated. Simply scaring people into not committing acts of violence doesn't erase the desire or the justification to commit them. Treat the problem at the source instead of trying to regulate it with religion.
Jizya in pakistan is a prime example of the injustices.
mama ki dua , who gives u permission to ridicule islamic laws regarding adultry and fornication ?
pakistan is **NOT **an islamic country despite the label , it only applies a few certain regulations which are in shariah
women in pakistani society are mostly uneducated and weak and like the poor , orphans and peasents often exploited by the powerful which they do under various excuses...that has nothing to do with islam or shariah.
The only solution is the rigrous implementation of shariah so that there are no injustices to weak and poor
No one need's anyone's permission to ridicule these barbaric "laws"
In fact i dont think ppl should take it as an attack on islam,
You say this, and then you go on to say:
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anytime any1 brings an issue like this up ppl r up in arms saying islam is not this islam is this, yes whtever islam is a religion of peace e.t.c it teaches harmony YET in countries where islam is supposedly practiced things like this happen.
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Well, I got news for you. One, that IS attacking Islam when you try to conflate the religion itself with actions that most of the people here whom consider themselves as adherents are bending over backwards to distance themselves from..and are, you guessed it, looking for bloody solutions. Others here continue to point fingers at Islam...and yet not a single one has taken me to task on answering some rather simple questions I've posed.
The very idea that this is unique among Muslims is laughable...the very idea the situation is somehow unrelated to the general situation of lawlessness is even more absurd. And that very well is the implication of those whom are hell bent on using these disgusting incidents as ideological ammunition...as if they give a rat's ass about these women. They hate Islam more than they care for these women...
So...what social and legal tools do we have at our disposal to address the problem? Abandoning Islam is NOT going to happen.
Education is the most important thing that south asia needs.
Education seems key, but there needs to be recourse. I mean, what gets me about these cases is that they are seemingly done in the open. It seems like in the region, the concept of familial abuse so taboo, odd stories are often given credence to white wash away abuse. The state needs to be more contemptuous of its citzens, I'm afraid to say...
The very idea that this is unique among Muslims is laughable...the very idea the situation is somehow unrelated to the general situation of lawlessness is even more absurd. And that very well is the implication of those whom are hell bent on using these disgusting incidents as ideological ammunition...as if they give a rat's ass about these women. They hate Islam more than they care for these women...
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I think those who start preaching aganinst shariah , jizya etc first need to answer this before the discussion proceedes
i we were to start looking we can find similar cases of explotation of women in atheist /christian Russia , hindu India etc
but do we hold the religious ideology there responsible for them?
secondly no one has yet proved that a religious court acting in accordance with islamic law did an act of gross injustice to an individual
most of the crimes listed here are related more to the old tribal customs of the areas of pakistan and were committed what seems like from these stories] by people not very religiously inclined
even the much quoted GR of M. mai was a sentence passed by a jirga not a shariah court , obviously to those people who think anyone with a turban and a beard is a "islamofascist" that is hard to explain
and those who think that Zia made pakistan a islamic utopia need to think again , zia did exactly was aurangzaib did 300 yrs ago. adopted some superficial reforms which pleased the religious leaders but much needed political /economic reforms based on islamic model were never made....
i personally witnessed the public flogging of a boy of 20 something simply for eve teasing in zia's time , yet the same army which was apparently now so rigorous in implementing islamic law and nowhere is flogging 80 times punishment for eve teasers anyway] had so callously killed hundreds of muslim sindhis a few yrs in earlier in the countryside
btw i am neither a sindhi nor a supporter of bhutto
I can't watch the videos, Youtube blocked. But a general comment, there is a major difference between law and its application. Its just a shame idiots don't realize it and racists use it as a way to insult everything.
, There is no point of preaching to other ppl about how great our religion is, our actions demonstrate otherwise, and yes not every muslim man is a wife beater and abuses woman, but why is this treatement of woman so widespread in islamic countries????
where do u get ur statistics ? and what correlation have u seen between wife abuse and religious fervor amongst muslims ?
