^^ So you are doing a character assassination of darwin now?
you cannot be woken up if you pretend to sleep.
you reject the proofs but fail to give even a single one in defence of your theory.
i guess all the scientists are lying and all the fossil records are false but you are right.
thank god i dont have to reject evolution to believe in gods.
Sorry if it hurts you personally. Did not mean to.
My friend, it is not character assasination. He was ignorant because he did not know any better. Not his fault.
And that is true.
what he said was 150 years ago which he and even todays scientists cannot prove except they jump on every little itch they get.
Remember, it is not those who refute evolution to bring evidence, it is who claim evoluton is a FACT have to bring irrefutable evidence.
He was one of the most brilliant human earth has ever produced. fact that he came up with evolution 150 years ago only tell you how ahead of time he was. even today scientists are in awe that how come he came up with something so brilliant so many years ago.
he has archeological and scientific facts to support his theory that explained evolution. evolution as a fact was established long time before him, no body knew how. darwin explained it best. you cannot blame darwin for evolution. like you cannot blame newton if you hurt yourself in a fall. he didnt invent gravity, he just explained it.
you need to look in to evolution of eyes, sex,colors, jaws and venom just for the academic purpose and you will reliaze the extent of his knowledge.
if i dont disagree then i dont attack on person's personality, thats a general rule of a decent debate i say. it doesnt hurt me personally , afterall he wasnt my uncle :D
its like doing a character assassination of prophet muhammad to disapprove quran which obviously i dont support too.
As i understand it, for the nonbelievers , if they accept evolution then it will threaten their religion and prove it false. The only reason you dont accept evolution is because it hurts your basic beliefs.
i say thats a case of a weak belief only my friend.
He was one of the most brilliant human earth has ever produced. fact that he came up with evolution 150 years ago only tell you how ahead of time he was. even today scientists are in awe that how come he came up with something so brilliant so many years ago.
he has archeological and scientific facts to support his theory that explained evolution. evolution as a fact was established long time before him, no body knew how. darwin explained it best. you cannot blame darwin for evolution. like you cannot blame newton if you hurt yourself in a fall. he didnt invent gravity, he just explained it.
you need to look in to evolution of eyes, sex,colors, jaws and venom just for the academic purpose and you will reliaze the extent of his knowledge.
if i dont disagree then i dont attack on person's personality, thats a general rule of a decent debate i say. it doesnt hurt me personally , afterall he wasnt my uncle :D
its like doing a character assassination of prophet muhammad to disapprove quran which obviously i dont support too.
As i understand it, for the nonbelievers , if they accept evolution then it will threaten their religion and prove it false. The only reason you dont accept evolution is because it hurts your basic beliefs.
i say thats a case of a weak belief only my friend.
No not at all.
Character assasination is not what one should use the term. No one knows what his character was. Discredition of his opinion, yes.
He made a claim long after religious beliefs of three major religions or beliefs and still his beliefs are not proven as facts.
Burden of proof is in his or his believer's court.
Forget about islam, Quran or whatever Islamic, the evolution theory can be and has been refuted without bringing ANY religion.
BTW if you believe in adaption then you already believe in evolution. adaption is the process by with evolution happens.
“Adaptation is the evolutionary process whereby an organism becomes better able to live in its habitat or habitats”
Yep, Quran as well talks about several advance civilizations which were great in mechanics, engineering, architecture, craftsmanship, etc. but ALLAH SWT wiped off every inch of them from the face of this earth, cuz they over and over disobeyed Him.
its not my conclusion, it is what i have read in Quran. one nation disobeyed ALLAH SWT, and they turned into monkeys and pigs.
as for others, well some follow the orders of their boss, without questioning his rules and orders, and some show more initiate and actually read the guide book, cuz you are rewarded for how much you follow the order.
have you heard of Mahn-jo daro, and Harrapa?
they are of indian region. as for chinese, well i have to look into that.
otherwise we do have Hiroshima and Nagasaki examples in front of us where tiny atom’s created fusion of havoc
if you just want to mock then leave it, but if you seriously need the answer it is better if you look into Quran’s translation and Tafseer yourself. Quran will give you a better satisfactory answer.
Yes i have heard of them and i can also tell you that those places werent destroyed. If it was wiped out then you and i woulndt be talking to each other. mayan predate any civilization by thousands of years, they all still exist. so i reckon god didnt destroy civilizations.
My apologies if you thought i was mocking you or quran. trust me i have no intentions of that, i am just looking for some honest answers. I am not debating what quran says, i am just saying that there is no evidence of a nation who was converted in to animals. lets assume for a moment that they got converted in to pigs and donkeys then we should still find their remains and the ruins of the civilizations right? Dont you think it is fair question?
I am just objectively trying to comprehend what you have mentioned.
There is a difference between metamorphosis from one species to another and evolution, they should not be confused. Most if not all evolution is always adaptive in nature. Evolution does not occur just for the sake of it, it occurs to enable the species adapt to the changes around it and hence survive. We may chose to wish it away because it may shake the basis of our believes, but that does not stop it from occurring.
Anyway, lets agree all this is in fact hogwash, all the fossils, DNAs, genetic studies is all fiction, all these scientists are just hallucinating or frauds. They just don't have enough proof to conclusively establish what they are talking about. Now, can somebody who is perhaps a bit more knowledgeable tell us the year Adam and Eve were created? I will just take the word for it, no need of any documentary proof, only asking for the year they were created, although if the month and day were available that would be even better :)
Evolution does not occur just for the sake of it, it occurs to enable the species adapt to the changes around it and hence survive.
Peace Ranjhaa
I hope you remember this is a philosophy forum. :) ... Evolution is supposed to be a random event ... if it is not a random event does this not imply an external intelligence is making it happen? What is in a species that connects the act of evolution with survival?
Anyway, lets agree all this is in fact hogwash, all the fossils, DNAs, genetic studies is all fiction, all these scientists are just hallucinating or frauds. They just don't have enough proof to conclusively establish what they are talking about. Now, can somebody who is perhaps a bit more knowledgeable tell us the year Adam and Eve were created? I will just take the word for it, no need of any documentary proof, only asking for the year they were created, although if the month and day were available that would be even better :)
Peace Ranjhaa
Adam and Eve were not created on Earth, they were sent to it. I think you will call them "aliens" - LOL - yup Muslims believe the first people to come to Earth were aliens. I hope this answers your question in a funny sort of way.
Actually the evolution belief does not say all humans did not come from a single ancestor. It claims that all primates came from a common ancestor, but allows the belief that all humans could have come from a single ancestor.
It does not necessarily infer that hundreds of generic ape ancestors simultaneously became humans. Rather it would be simpler to allege that a single case of ape ancestor became human or at least two one male and one female.
The chances of lots of humans coming to existence in the same pre-human colony at the same time or at least within their life span in order to create offspring is a slimmer chance than a single mutation occurring. Trust me evolution allows the belief that all humans have come from an Adam and Eve type of situation, except that their physical parents were not human. I however do not hold that Adam and Eve had parents at all.
I am not talking about single ape parent theory. but what you posted is plausible.
but to believe in all that you will have to believe in evolution :)
Peace kaka_in_usa
Yes to believe in all of that one would need to believe in evolution:
Hopefully we have got that clear:
a) Evolution is not proven fact (yet)
b) Single human ancestor is not against the unproven theory of evolution
Now to answer the question why Muslims are against evolution? The clarity required is that it appears that Muslims are against evolution because we don't accept it as fact, rather we are open minded about it. Our reference for belief is our own scripture not the belief system of humans. Until it becomes a proven fact then it will be accepted. There are plenty of people here who already accept it. That is not and never has been my perspective.
In reality it is perceived by some non-Muslims that Muslims are against evolution.
Yes to believe in all of that one would need to believe in evolution:
Hopefully we have got that clear:
a) Evolution is not proven fact (yet)
b) Single human ancestor is not against the unproven theory of evolution
Now to answer the question why Muslims are against evolution? The clarity required is that it appears that Muslims are against evolution because we don't accept it as fact, rather we are open minded about it. Our reference for belief is our own scripture not the belief system of humans. Until it becomes a proven fact then it will be accepted. There are plenty of people here who already accept it. That is not and never has been my perspective.
In reality it is perceived by some non-Muslims that Muslims are against evolution.
Because even if one demonstrates that evolution does occur it will not necessarily overrule creation, because there still would exist the possibility that evolution and creation both occur. So to deny creation and totally accept evolution a) would need to be fulfilled. This is a trick question really ... creation can never be refuted only parallel ideas can be proposed, but I'll let you come to your own conclusion on that.
b) An animal whose unborn child has in it different DNA to itself, that the different DNA is different to such an extent that animals alive of that form can not breed with animals of the type that its parents are. A possible experiment could be with fish, where a given fish is allowed to lay eggs, then it is put in cryogenic state, its offspring is allowed to have many further generations where they would change in such a manner that they no longer resemble or can mate with the the parent form after that parent is revived.
Or simply take a video recording of evolution in action.
Scientifically … I need to be able to experiment … test if one species really can become another … I’m a bit confused about why you found what I wrote funny … care to let me in on the joke?
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