Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Peace brother psyah,
I see you have done a lot of googling and falling for the catholic propaganda about evolution. a lot of copy paste work out there.
i also see either you are unintentionally using misinformation or half knowledge to justify your stand.

I suggest you should should believe in God. believing in god and having faith is the only answer. in my world some simple facts about real world wont threaten existence of god. if you already believe in god then may i suggest you to strengthen your faith and accept this world as god made it instead of imagining it as you wish.

May gods be with you.

PS. The question regarding the evolution of eye is answered a long time ago. Also evolution doesnt say that one species evolves to become another. a donkey cannot evolve to become a lion. living beings rather evolve in to something more adoptive in their enviroment.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Peace kaka_in_usa

LOL Please these sidetracks ... Catholic websites indeed, why would I go to those sites? Do you really think that I have not studied evolution theories for meself? ... Red-herrings ... I asked you for a falsification test ... you have not provided it yet ... would you oblige?

:) So ... evolution does not claim that one species becomes another! ... I had to read that a few times ... are you sure?

If that is the case then all this common ancestor stuff is nothing to do with evolution is that right? I testify that there is One Deity, Lord and Creator of all things. For me this formula is far more simpler than evolution and I think we'll leave it at that.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

peace brother psyan,
^^ If you really believe in god then why are you against its ways to create the living beings. beats me, you reject gods creations and ability to make a complex system to run the world but yet you believe in her/him.

i am still waiting on your proof of adam eve etc.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Deary me :mudhosh:

1: Human evolution - If you believe that the Quran is the direct revelation from Allah swt, there’s no room for debate in relation to the evolution of humans. Adam was created with dust: "He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be’ and he was.” and all humans living on earth today are the descendants of adam and eve: “O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female..” Humans were created by Allah swt and they did not evolve from other species. End of.

2: Evolution of other life forms - The Quran and Sunnah neither confirm nor deny the theory of evolution/natural selection with regards to other living things. Evolution might certainly be true in the case of evolution of other living organisms but even then we must remember that “Allah is the Creator of all things and over all things He has authority” and He created them in whatever manner He chose to.

3: Do I believe humans evolved from other species? ermmm no. Even if I wanted to, the complexity of life wouldn’t let me believe it was the result of natural selection by chance! Do I believe in the theory of evolution of other species? Yes, it’s possible. "And We made from water all living things.” Did Allah swt create bacteria from water, for example? Possible. Did the bacteria evolve into other complex species? Very much possible.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Peace BarbieCue

Thanks for the posting of the ayaat ... It needs to be determined that evolution is not a fact that is my argument here. I am not denying the possibility of it. I am merely asking for the proof in the so called 'fact'. Evolution is a belief just like creation is a belief to pass it off as anything other is deception. This is a philosophical thread and here we are discussing the philosophical condition of evolution.

Further to this the ayat that you present - We have created from water all living things ... does not mean to me the first living thing came from water and thereafter other living things came from each other. Rather "water" is an essential ingredient for life. We can easily see this is true. All forms of life have water and depend on water for survival. Bacteria, Plants, Animals and those things in between are all constituted with water. It would be an inference to conclude that this verse implies a common ancestor of life originated in water. Again this inference is not being contested by me ... I am merely contesting the notion that it is a 'fact' - it remains a theory until proven.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

^ Oh ofcourse, I was agreeing with you before and I agree with you now, wasn't refuting your posts.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

BBQ: You cannot selectively choose to believe in one thing and not another. religious people denied that earth was sphere initially but when they could no longer deny then they intreperted religious books in such a way that made it easy for them to accept the fact. same thing happened with other scientific facts.
denying facts only drags a religion behind , accepting facts is a good service u can do to the gods. If you are afraid that somehow science will prove your religion wrong then my friend you need a stronger faith.
especially bother pysah needs faith in god who only preaches but cant answer anything about it.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

The book that I believe in had already told people that the earth wasn’t a sphere, that the earth revolves around the sun and not vice versa, that the light of the moon is not its own light, that the universe was created with a big, powerful explosion (the big bang theory) etc etc etc so why in the world would I be insecure of science if it actually backs all this up? :hehe:

For you, it’s either science or the word of God. For me, it’s both. “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind”. So let me selectively choose to believe in what makes sense to me and I’ll let you do the same.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Who says all muslims are against evolution. I am for it & I am muslim.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?


naam se to gore ho miyaaN :D

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

I posted something earlier that might be relevent.

Should we assume everything in the Koran is literal?

How do you know that the description of how God created man in the Koran isnt figurative speech? God wouldn’t speak to 5th century Arabs in language they couldnt even fathom. So obviously you wouldnt find descriptions of Human DNA and genetics in a book explaing the origin of man to people living in the 5th century!

There are multiple different ways to interpret the passage that you quote. Al intepretations in this case however arent equyally valid. The interpretation that you assume to be true is contradicted by science on the ground.

And because you dont understand the origins of complexity, that must mean Evolution isnt true. I cant explain the complexity of how my car works, but that doesn’t mean my car isnt real…

Frankly, the complexity of life can be explained. Its takes Millions of years of trial and error.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

yeh nick to kalo ka bhee ho sakta hey.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Sir, ‘evolution’ cannot be proven in lab. Any example?

**Life forms have many shapes and sizes and none of these can be shown to interchange. **

Each species has its own specific genetic structure. With time one species does not change to other. One species has and will continue to be the same.

Adaptation is not evolution…which means change is whole species over time.

Never once anyone has shown that the whole organism became something else, in lab or outside lab.

Yep!

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

so you believe in big bang “Theory” but not in fact that evolution is?

anyways if you read my posts, i have been trying to seperate faith from science since my first post. for me it is not eithr god or science. for me it is god and science. there is nothing science can do to shake my faith in god. but for a lot of posters, if it is like if science is right then their religion is wrong and hence no god.

PS. trust me, there were and still are people who thought earth was flat because their books says so. no matter how much science you show them they wont budge. for them if earth is round their it negates their religion, and i am not talking about just christians here.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

you can google more.
now make me adam and eve in lab :smiley:

btw, if you really know science you can actually prove single ancestor myth through science to an certain extent.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Science is based on facts, but there arn't that many facts as much there is history. however, the major history recorded at the time of Moses (AS) (cuz the hunting pictures of Lascaux caves aint really history, it is just the evidence that men knew about writing), but what happened before that no scriptures, except for Quran provides.

Quran not only talks about the creation of Adam and Eve but also the mystery of Man Apes which darwin concluded as evolution.

so if you are really interested, go figure it yourself. Quran is for everyone.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

^^ What you stated is borrowd by quran from bibile. it is in the bibile too right?
anyways, actually the history you are talking about is a history of very small number of people of a small region, very advanced civilizations existed even before moses and still exist.

you have concluded that evolution is mentioned in quran, see but here others dont.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

So you believe that this is evidence of evoluton?

Its called mutation or adaptation.

E-coli still remained E-coli just to let you know. It DID NOT become staphylococcus ( a coccus) or proteus mirabilis (a gram negative bacilli with other different characterstics)… Nor it became a different species altogether.

You brought something from 2008 as if it was a ‘discovery’. Here is something from 1976.

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/2/165

Interestingly, I have already said above in my pos #93 that bacteria ARE KNOWN to adapt by changing their metabolic activities to become resistant. You just brought the same as evidence. :slight_smile:

Please bring factual evidence. Not overzealous claims of “amature scientists”. :smiley:

Test tube babies are evidences of adam and eve in lab! Get the point?

If not then let me explain.

Just as adam and eve AS were created from a life form (directly-not from any ‘other species’), for years and years they were still creating human and now even in test tube, one will always get ‘human’ if ovum and sperm meet successfully.

I think I have missed many posts above. :hehe:

Guys, just to brng some sense here.

This debate is completely useless except for fun time after dinner with coffee and nice cigar. Otherwise rest assured, the evolutionists can never ever and have never ever brought anything to the table of argument and evidences which wold convincingly prove evolution as a FACT.

One can flood with argments from both sides and the matter can not be resolved.

Except that those who believe on creation of individual species separately will win by default becasue they are not the one who claim to prove their views based on ANY evidence other than the scriptures and they are not obliged to prove anything.

For every so called ‘scientific proof’, there will be a contradictory evidence against evolution theory.

Darwin could not explain many things and even he could not define conclusively the definition of species let alone evolution.

“…It is a hopeless endeavour to decide this point on sound grounds, until some definition of the term “species” is generally accepted; and the definition must not include an element that cannot possibly be ascertained, such as an act of creation.”

http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=F937.1&keywords=definition+species+of&pageseq=241

He was ignorant and that was not his fault. He was born a long time ago and todays scientists who (after knowing what we know now) try to prove his point are even more ignorant.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

Can any mode change the title to " Why are Religious people against Evolution?"

Thanks.

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

^^ So you are doing a character assassination of darwin now?
you cannot be woken up if you pretend to sleep.

you reject the proofs but fail to give even a single one in defence of your theory.

i guess all the scientists are lying and all the fossil records are false but you are right.
thank god i dont have to reject evolution to believe in gods.