Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
peace,
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Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Adaptation is not evolution as it is claimed to be. Complete change of genome and hence whole species from one to other has never been proven.
Title even though echnically correct as a question, but it gives wrong message that only Muslims are against this theory of evolution.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
hahahah ... guy wants to see evolution in action to believe it..
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
hahaha Guys want to see Adam and Eve 'creation' before believing it.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
hahahah ... guy wants to see evolution in action to believe it..
Peace sharaabee
This is not an unreasonable request for a "fact" ... A fact must have been seen by someone in order for it to be called so. When I say seen I mean witnessed by measurement or monitoring of some kind. This is what REAL science is about. Laughing only demonstrates the extent of your knowledge. Usually when things get too difficult to handle people fall about laughing - it is a self-defence mechanism in an attempt to put the other on the back foot. I won't budge ... Show me evolution taking place.
If you still think this is an unreasonable request then look to the theories of evolution that claim species tend to remain unchanged for long periods but undergo drastic change in short periods of time. Even if this particular take on evolution is not acceptable to you we can take the other which is gradual change. So if that is the case then we as scientists should be able to work out which species has gradually changed enough to make its next species jump. Let's look at the giant turtle it has remained unchanged for millenia ... Of course its about time that it changes. Let's monitor that to see if at any stage it creates two offspring that cannot mate with one another.
I have no cause to believe in evolution it is not a dogma for me nor will it improve my life in any way it has no moral obligation connected to it rather it presents moral problems, so if you want me to believe it you need to have more than jest - you need proof. I will believe readily that thing that supports my framework for life, justice and balance. Evolution does not do that - Deity does.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
http://khilafah.com/index.php/concepts/belief/2274-exposing-the-flaws-in-the-theory-of-evolution
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace kaka_in_usa
Single ancestor myth?
Actually the evolution belief does not say all humans did not come from a single ancestor. It claims that all primates came from a common ancestor, but allows the belief that all humans could have come from a single ancestor.
It does not necessarily infer that hundreds of generic ape ancestors simultaneously became humans. Rather it would be simpler to allege that a single case of ape ancestor became human or at least two one male and one female.
The chances of lots of humans coming to existence in the same pre-human colony at the same time or at least within their life span in order to create offspring is a slimmer chance than a single mutation occurring. Trust me evolution allows the belief that all humans have come from an Adam and Eve type of situation, except that their physical parents were not human. I however do not hold that Adam and Eve had parents at all.
Genetically different populations couldn't have converged to form one species, because different species by definition cant mate and produce viable off spring. So obviously we are descended from a single group to species. And there is a Mitochondrial Eve that researchers have traced back following Mitochondrial DNA. She may have not been the only woman on earth, but she was an ancestor of most Humans living today.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
E coli still remain E coli, but given enough time, with enough differentiation, its inevitable that Ecoli will become a seperate species.
The opinion on your side is based on zero evidence. Where as the evidence on the side of science is immense and growing. You talk as if there is comparison to be drawn between science and blind faith.
Personally I think anyone who assumes there can be any comparison between science, which employs reason and reproducible experimentation, with the blind belief in some religious doctrine is competely self deluded at worst and in denial at best.
Darwin didnt know because at the time they didnt know anything about genetics. The science today is complimented by a much more robust understanding of genetics, biology etc. But all our nuanced understanding has only complimented Darwins earlier observations, not contradicted them.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace Ranjhaa
It is highly deceptive of people to use adaptation genetic or otherwise to argue the case for evolution. Despite all the resisting that bacteria can eventually be able to do ... it nonetheless remains bacteria - not only that but it remains the type of bacteria it was before the mutations - it is merely a more resilient form. It is like putting a whole lot of pale humans in a hot climate they will become darker and some of them will get cancer and die. The ones who got darker and no cancer will have offspring some of which will die to the climate and after many generations ... the remaining people will be dark skinned. By treating many organisms as a single whole as we do with bacteria is a deception. The bacteria does not "adapt" to its surrounding necessarily. Many cells die in hostile climate. Others that may be variants in genetic structure survive, these normally reproduce and the result is a different type of the SAME creature. Not "adaptation" but "filtering" - when we become darker and lighter stronger and weaker we adapt because it is within our own lives. Next generation of the same type as us is not adaptation, it was only because those who died and could not reproduce were unable to do so because of the climate. ...
Im sorry Psych, but you obviously haven't studied genetics, or your intentionally ignoring it. This claim that just because species dont diverge into seperate species in our life times is an old tired argument.
Like I said before, differentiation is born through mutations, mutations help us to adapt and change.
An organism may not change into a seperate species within your lifetime, but that doesnt change the FACT that mutations occur at a realtively constant rate. Given enough mutaton, any species, if that mutation allows it to sruvive, will over time produce enough differentiation in its genome, to constitute a completely different species.
Your examples of Human changing skin color is an example of this. The reason why we as Humans are still one species is because of the fact that we were never separated long enough as a species to differentiate to the extent required to produce a new species. That isnt to say however that other species havent diverged. Look at the Cat family, look at the Elephants. etc etc.
The Human eye may not have worked at some time. Its entirely plausible that our ancestors used a different mechanism to navigate. Its also highly plausible that the organ was used for a completely different purpose and gradually evolved to perform its current task. We have many superfluous anatomical features, we know that aspects of our anatomy can gain, lose, or change functions.
The Human eye has had MILLIONS of years to evolve as its common to just about all species, so its not unimaginable that it would be as comlicated as it is given the amount of times its taken to achieve thise complexity.
Evolution as stated relies on the understanding that with enough mutation over a constant rate species with diverge.
Its inevitable. Natural selection is only a mechanism through which nature filters out those adaptations that are beneficial from those that are not. But the validity of evolution does not rest on Natural selection, it relies on the basic understanding that mutations produce change. Its as inevitable.
It amazes me how you can acknowledge that mutation do produce differentiation, but how that cant equate to evolution producing new species from existing ones is beyond me. Its fact as much as its a fact that given enough snow, your car will be buried.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
I think the so called 'scientific' theory of evolution is on the right tracks but at a very primitive stage of understanding the process. They are asking us to 'trust them' when they say genetic mutations some how caused the physical mental and spiritual development leading to present day human.
I think the various religions are also on the right track, coming at the same target but in a different route. Some religions are a bit farther ahead than others.
Religions are sciences too, just like science is religion with some.
For those who'd like to explore this further, I'd recommend they study karmic cycle, the 10-avtars of Vishnu as a 'story' version of the truth and hopefully in due course start seeing the deeper versions and aspects of evolution therein
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
E coli still remain E coli, but given enough time, with enough differentiation, its inevitable that Ecoli will become a seperate species.
Says who? Still speculation. Nothing more than speculation not proven.
The opinion on your side is based on zero evidence. Where as the evidence on the side of science is immense and growing.
*No sir. *
*You talk as if there is comparison to be drawn between science and blind faith. *
Never did. I am against that myself. Have said several times. Personally I think anyone who assumes there can be any comparison between science, which employs reason and reproducible experimentation, with the blind belief in some religious doctrine is competely self deluded at worst and in denial at best.
I say the same thing (no comparison should be made between science and faith) with the exception that while sceince may employ reason and reproducible experimantations, a lot of sceince still and will remain based on theories and speculations and a lot of unknowns.
Darwin didnt know because at the time they didnt know anything about genetics. The science today is complimented by a much more robust understanding of genetics, biology etc. But all our nuanced understanding has only complimented Darwins earlier observations, not contradicted them.
*And the genetics as we know now has refuted his theory by default since genetics of today has not proven his theory. *
Bring me one evidence as fact (experimentation and reproducible) and not just speculations OR
...... "may be", "could be" or "would be", "will become"etc. etc., kind of statements.
Do not get confused with adaptation or mutation as change of whole genome to get one species completely transformed in to another species as a final result. Never been shown or proven.
Read the definitions of mutation and adaptations.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Honestly, I fail to understand why there would be a conflict between Islam and theory of evolution.
Allah says that He sent Adam to earth, but He does not tell us the mechanism which was followed to make it happen. That mechanism could be evolution.
It is like Allah saying that He provides rizq or food to people. But He does not do it by actually passing the food Himself to everyone. Rather there is a worldly mechanism available which makes it happen. People work on their jobs and they get paid.
The ultimate Being which created these worldly mechanisms is Allah. And evolution is just one such mechanism which resulted in Adam's coming to earth.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
simple. we all know Adam was a first human. and there is no evidence there to prove that He AS was born through an unhuman.
If the evidence you are asking is from scientists then their question would be to first ask you about the evidence that Adam even existed. You are asking about Adam's ancestry without first finding out if they even believe in having Adam.
From Islamic point of view, true that there is no evidence in Islamic scriptures to prove birth through some non-human, but this is not flatly denied in scriptures either.
Just because Islam does not discuss something, doesn't mean that it is proven false.
This reminds me of a friend of mine who does not believe that dinosaurs existed. His argument? Quran does not tell us about dinosaurs. So this must be a lie.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Find others to be friends with or if you claim to be their friend, then educate those people.
Tell those, Quran does not talk about aeroplanes, rockets, so does that mean that is lie?
I think you have not read earlier posts and that is fine. No big deal. 
Religious people from all religions who believe Adam and Eve ( Muslims, Christians, Jews) were indeed created directly from God/Allah do not need their claim to be proven since they never say their belief is based on experiments or reproducible acts!
Read above. I said at least twice, RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to prove what they believe.
All they have to do is to REFUTE the garbage which is forced upon them in the name of “theory” which no scientist of this day can ever PROVE.
These science lover people when put to same standard of proving something, run away or bring words like “could be”, “would be” “may be” “will definitely be” “inevitably be” “could have been” “should have been” etc. etc. 
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Adaptation is not evolution as it is claimed to be. Complete change of genome and hence whole species from one to other has never been proven. .
you can not "prove" evolution in the same way as you would with, say, a quick chemical reaction. evolution takes aeons, i.e. millions of years. it does not happen in a single day. it is a slow and steady process. and fossils have been discovered that show that there were intermediaries between two species.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
you can not "prove" evolution in the same way as you would with, say, a quick chemical reaction. evolution takes aeons, i.e. millions of years. it does not happen in a single day. it is a slow and steady process. and fossils have been discovered that show that there were intermediaries between two species.
Has anyone shown those fossiles indeed change their specicies over time or it is another speculaton based on some common characterstics. It is a known and refuted argument since there has never been a proof of that. Simple guess work is not enough.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Genetically different populations couldn't have converged to form one species, because different species by definition cant mate and produce viable off spring. So obviously we are descended from a single group to species. And there is a Mitochondrial Eve that researchers have traced back following Mitochondrial DNA. She may have not been the only woman on earth, but she was an ancestor of most Humans living today.
Peace Med911
kaka_in_usa was talking about the idea that all of humanity coming from a single male and female is a myth. I said according to current evolution theory it is valid to assert that the whole of humanity came from one male and one female ...
My belief requires me to hold that Hawa (Eve) was the ancestor of all of humanity. At no stage was kaka_in_usa nor myself ever suggesting that different populations converged to create one species so I don't really understand the opening line of this response.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
you can not "prove" evolution in the same way as you would with, say, a quick chemical reaction. evolution takes aeons, i.e. millions of years. it does not happen in a single day. it is a slow and steady process. and fossils have been discovered that show that there were intermediaries between two species.
Peace jaanaan
That fact that you can make a statement the context of which spans millions of years shows that no one has been around to witness the validity of the argument - hence it is a belief - not a fact. Fossils do not show there have been intermediaries - people have picked up fossils that appear to be intermediaries and then they have connected the dots to arrive at this belief - it is not proof - just dot to dot. Proof would be if they can show that these alleged intermediaries really did come from the parent group of another species and really did give birth to the new one. Fossils being like snapshots in the ground can never show this mechanism.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Honestly, I fail to understand why there would be a conflict between Islam and theory of evolution. Allah says that He sent Adam to earth, but He does not tell us the mechanism which was followed to make it happen. That mechanism could be evolution.
It is like Allah saying that He provides rizq or food to people. But He does not do it by actually passing the food Himself to everyone. Rather there is a worldly mechanism available which makes it happen. People work on their jobs and they get paid.
The ultimate Being which created these worldly mechanisms is Allah. And evolution is just one such mechanism which resulted in Adam's coming to earth.
Peace khoji
This thread is not about whether there is a conflict between Islam and evolution that is a side-topic - this thread is really one where we can say that evolution is not a fact. Do you agree? Isn't evolution as we know it today merely a belief?
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Just to add, those dots do not even connect. There are a lot of gaps between these assumed dots and then excuse is given, maybe the gap is because the intermediaries became extinct.
And those which became extinct, how come they continued so called evolution? is next question.
In summary, first something does not exist, so assumption is made that they were extinct then another assumption is made they continued evolution without even being present or found, to begin with.