Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
evolution is a fact, supported and explained by evolutionary theory.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
dupe
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Survival of the fittest is a rule generally. Those animals that can survive do so, and those that cannot, do not. That isnt to say that all animals survive. The vast majority of species that ever have existed, have gone extinct.
Im not quite sure what your asking as far as the food chain.
If I understand what you asking, as far as how survival of the fittest can apply to the food chain, gradual changes in habitat for example, creates challenges that either animal, sheep or wolf, would have to adapt to. The fitness of either species, that being the ability to survive and reproduce a viable population, would depend on the nature of the challenge, and the capacity of each species to meet those challenges. A loss of grass may require the Sheep to vary its diet, or the loss of sheep would force a wolf to change its diet. The one that is most successful will be the one that has the most capacity to adapt.
In the short term, as within our life times, there is a balance, and a symbiosis. But over the long term, that symbiotic relationship may break down and force either to have to adapt or die. Accumulated adaptatins over Millions of years can produce a huge amount of variation.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace Med911
With due respect all of these are red-herrings ... you just keep making claims you are not arguing scientifically. Please provide me with the falsification test for evolution that I have been asking kaka_in_usa for. What test do you propose that I can do that if it passes will prove evolution but if it fails will disprove it?
If you can provide this then I'll listen everything else is just a claim. Note: The falsification test must be agreed by all parties that is a criterion.
Come on man. How is that a red herring?
This argument seems rather convincing as far as im concerned.
You know the basics of genetics. We are, all creatures on earth, essentially the product of the same basic blue print, our DNA.
The only thing that differentiates us from each other and from other species, are simply variations in the way we express that DNA.
So for us to change from one species into another, essentially requires nothing more then rearranging the 4 basic molecules of DNA.
Such rearrangements occur all the time. These are called mutations. Mutations are rearrangements that occur at a constant rate over time.
So given that Mutations occur, and rearrangements happens constantly, its inevitable, that over time, enough diversity will accumulate to constitute a completely new species.
Thats evolution, that's one species changing into another. Its inevitable. Inevitable as a drop of water in bucket would eventually cause the bucket to overflow.
Unless you have a different definition of evolution.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace sharaabee
Not really denying it. I just want to the see the proof. Do you have it? Don't ask me to prove the existence of God, I don't claim it can be proven scientifically, but evolutionists believe that this process is the answer to our existence without God and it is better than the belief in God because it is scientific. Then do me a favour I'm a scientist ... explain it to me, please.
Of course from a moral angle it can't beat the idea of God at all ... And seeing this is also a philosophy forum let's hear the moral angle in:
Survival of the fittest and why humans the most advanced choose to nurture our sick and elderly and weak children? Besides are mutations fitter than their previous forms? Charity - is that a good thing or bad thing in evolution?
My religion prevents the consumption of alcohol ... surely if the fittest are supposed to survive then the alcoholics should be killed off. That means we will have those people left on Earth who don't consume alcohol. Of course evolution would have us do this, but my religion only tells me not to drink it, not to kill off the drinkers.
You see why a person can deny evolution?
Im not sure what kind of proof your looking for? You would like a time machine to see creatures evolving into modern humans?
And no one claims that Evolution is the creation of man without God. God has nothing to do with it. It simply is what the biological and fossil record shows to be true. How God fits into it is not for Science to answer.
The conflict isnt in the minds of evolutionists, only in the minds of religious people.
If one were so inclined as to be religious, and believe there is a conflict, then that conflict could be addressed by arguing that Evolution is the mechanism through which god creates. Evolution thus, shouldnt be seen as contradicting God, but instead as complimenting our understanding of God.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Well I think what it comes down to is whether we should take Islam literally or figuratively.
I should imagine that 2000 years ago, no one had any clue what DNA was, or what evolution is.
So God isnt going to explain things to 5th century Bedouins in terminology that they couldn’t possibly fathom. As Hadeeth teaches us, one should speak to others, in THEIR capacity.
So God may have used poetic terminology because this is what the people could understand, without going into specifics.
But that was nearly 2000 years ago. Our understanding of God must evolve beyond the level of 5th century desert dwellers.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
err--you don't prove things in science, you technically only disprove.
what proof do you have for saying that evolution doesnt occur, species go extinct and new ones are randomly placed in place of them?
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
So no proof yet for evolution 'theory' to be a 'fact'.
Monkeys will always be monkeys and man will always be man.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
^nothing, including evolution questions your second statement.
all it says is that chimpanzees and humans shared a distant ancestor. evolution occurs over billions of years, so distant doesn't mean 2 generations. nothing says that humans came from monkeys.
common ancestor
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Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
^ totally agree...
read quran for theories facts science ...it never lies...
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
^nothing, including evolution questions your second statement.
all it says is that chimpanzees and humans shared a distant ancestor. evolution occurs over billions of years, so distant doesn't mean 2 generations. nothing says that humans came from monkeys.
common ancestor / \ h m
h=human m=monkey
Can anyone even prove two species came from one ancestor?
Do we really think small living objects are 'simple' life forms? :)
Even scientist of today do not believe and could not prove this 'theory' (about 150 years old theory by someone who did not know much back then) and there are still people today who think it is a fact. :(
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
*^boo hoo. :( :) ; ) LOL. got it ? *
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
So no proof yet for evolution 'theory' to be a 'fact'.
Monkeys will always be monkeys and man will always be man.
Also.. There is a common misconception in the term "Theory." Laymen, which includes me, except that I read up on this, assume the term theory as its used here is referring to popular meaning of the term, something that's unproven or yet to be proven. In scientific terms however, the term "Theory" has different meaning, and so the popular understanding of the term Evolution "Theory" itself is incorrect.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
No, its, :), 
and then ;). 
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
evolution is a fact, supported and explained by evolutionary theory.
Thank you very much. thats what i have been saying but no body is listening.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Can anyone even prove two species came from one ancestor?
Do we really think small living objects are 'simple' life forms? :)
Even scientist of today do not believe and could not prove this 'theory' (about 150 years old theory by someone who did not know much back then) and there are still people today who think it is a fact. :(
yes, it is very easy. but i am tired of answering simple questions.
please provide me a single proof that adam and eve dropped out of no where and were the first people on the earth.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Bhai Mere, I my first post in this thread I said that those who believe on Adam AS and EVE (Hawwa AS)(three major religions) do not claim to prove this by any means other than the scriptures. They have no problem with that.
It is those who like to believe on evidences only, should do same to prove their theories.
I am sorry I did miss something above if any proof was given. Could you point that out.
Not saying opposite views do not exist but proof is not there just speculations.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
^^ So it is matter of faith. since you dont have any proof but still believe in it then it has to be your faith in them. uptill here it is fine cuz thats what i am saying too.
but to turn a blind eye towards facts and rejecting is ignorance. science is real, facts are real. evolution can be shown in lab for you to see it. if you still dont believe it then i rest my case.
here is what simple googling brings up
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
The very common example used very often to explain evolution at a very micro level is that of bacteria and how it evolves itself to become resistant to various drugs and antibiotics.
Also another tidbit, in the 19th century the mean normal blood pressure of the humans was considered to 90/60 but over the past 100 years we have evolved to the changed environment and lifestyle to have a what is considered a normal blood pressure at 120/80. If everything was part of the intelligent design, shouldn’t things have been perfect in the first place and remained as is?
And here is Dr. Michael Shermer explaining the evolutionary process of our eyes for anyone who might be interested:
"The anatomy of the human eye, in fact, shows anything but “intelligence” in its design. It is built upside down and backwards, requiring photons of light to travel through the cornea, lens, aquaeous fluid, blood vessels, ganglion cells, amacrine cells, horizontal cells, and bipolar cells before they reach the light sensitive rods and cones that transduce the light signal into neural impulses—which are then sent to the visual cortex at the back of the brain for processing into meaningful patterns. For optimal vision, why would an intelligent designer have built an eye upside down and backwards ?
It is because we evolved from sightless bacteria, now found to share our DNA, that we are so myopic. These are the same ill-designed optics, complete with deliberately “designed” retinal blind spot, through which earlier humans claimed to have “seen” miracles “with their own eyes.” The problem in those cases was located elsewhere in the cortex, but we must never forget Charles Darwin’s injunction that even the most highly evolved of us will continue to carry “the indelible stamp of their lowly origin.”
Richard Dawkins Explains Evolution of the Eye
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Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace Ranjhaa
It is highly deceptive of people to use adaptation genetic or otherwise to argue the case for evolution. Despite all the resisting that bacteria can eventually be able to do … it nonetheless remains bacteria - not only that but it remains the type of bacteria it was before the mutations - it is merely a more resilient form. It is like putting a whole lot of pale humans in a hot climate they will become darker and some of them will get cancer and die. The ones who got darker and no cancer will have offspring some of which will die to the climate and after many generations … the remaining people will be dark skinned. By treating many organisms as a single whole as we do with bacteria is a deception. The bacteria does not “adapt” to its surrounding necessarily. Many cells die in hostile climate. Others that may be variants in genetic structure survive, these normally reproduce and the result is a different type of the SAME creature. Not “adaptation” but “filtering” - when we become darker and lighter stronger and weaker we adapt because it is within our own lives. Next generation of the same type as us is not adaptation, it was only because those who died and could not reproduce were unable to do so because of the climate. The survivers did not learn from those who died. Adaptation implies this is the case - What we observe with bacteria is a filtering - it is natural selection. It is not adaptation. That goes for the blood pressure thing too.
And even if it was … when did one bacteria type become another? When have we seen a single celled organism become a multi-celled organism?
The eye is an amazing thing indeed. The question sounds absurd. If it is so unintuitive for the eye to be built up as it is yet still work then at any stage going by the process of gradual development the eye would not function and would have never evolved to the current state. It is upsidedown and backwards to make us realise that it had to be designed entirely as a whole. You cannot gradually develop the eye. Furthermore despite this illogical structure of the eye it is clearer than any camera, doesn’t fog up or give red-eye, adapts to various hues and gives a vision in a variety of angles at tremendous speed.
Evolution as stated i.e. when one organism becomes another is not a fact … Natural selection does occur, but this is not the same thing and although the theory of evolution utilises natural selection to attempt justifying that given enough mutation a species jump occurs it does not prove this in any way. Hence evolution is not fact - aspects of change, alteration, mutation, etc do occur these are not synonymous to evolution.