Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

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Diwana,
I see. Did you stop reading at Lake Victoria, or did you also venture forth into Lake Tanganyika? You wish to completely dismiss adaptive radiation, fine; what do you think has happened with those cichlids? What conclusions would you have drawn from the Galapagos island finches?
I'm amused that you're amused by the use of 'hypothetical'.
Just to be clear, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts about this and not just fcuking with you. Okay, maybe a little. :D

Psyah, hello, good to see you and Hareem back around.
Yes, they are continuously discovering new species. As per your post, it is the scientists themselves who are giving the 5-100 million different species estimate. I disagree that it is arrogant and false to claim one species came from another. To question something, to draw conclusions from data we have collated thus far, and to then present those findings, is something each of us does every single day, on a micro level. Why that becomes arrogant when it comes to biology, I don't understand.

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Peace el topo

The fact is they can't make that claim with any evidence and what's the point making claims about species when the array of species that needs to be mapped has not been achieved yet? Furthermore it is one thing that laymen will make micro level claims and an entirely different thing altogether when scientists make similar claims without that key bit of evidence behind them.

Let me ask you the question ... what experiment can we put together that if it fails will disprove evolution and if it passes will prove it?

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el topo:

You brought Lake Victoria, what is there that you think is convincing that evolution theory be accepted or at least not be refuted?

It is not possible to throw a lot of counter arguments at the same time hoping one of those will work in your case.

So it is easier to know which argument should be presented.

The arguments against evolution are so many and they have been presented above also.

Whatever argument in favor of evolution would be it will include expectations and assumptions.

That is the essence of all arguments against evolution theory. No concrete evidence...as science demands.

Science demands irrefutable existence of something by being able to measure in quantifiable methods.

No one has ever in the history has proven that one species CAN change to other.

Genetically it cannot be done or proven.

Each species in the lake has its own identity and it is mere speculation that there was ANY whatsoever change in species of fish in the lake.

Like I said, Fish stayed fish.That is more than enough to refute ALL arguments for evolution theory.

Man has always been man regardless they have black, brown, red or blond colored hair.

The problem of evolutionists is that they are on weak side of the fence and just cannot bring solid proof of mutation or adaptation used as basis of evolution.
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No matter how many shapes size or color one can bring, a car will remain a car and never will become a rocket and lift vertically upward.

Hope you got the point there. :)

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the thing with discussing stuff like evolution, with even reasonable people online, is that a simple google search will give all sorts of half truths and pseudo-science to keep the frustrating argument going.

suffices to say, anyone who has had sufficient exposure to the ideas of evolution from an objective point of view, and understands its nuances, is more likely than not convinced of evolution being reality.

and then there's people like diwana who will keep arguing green is red until kingdom cometh. bakwas...

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l^lol

Says someone who could not bring even one single solid argument in favor of evolution theory.

None of the evolution theory argument has been proven and hence the evolutionists have to use those five key words I outlined above.

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haan jee, nothing has ever been proved if its you on the other side of the argument. what do evolutionary biologists know? our maa ka lal diwana has just debunked over half a century of scientific research performed independently by scientists worldwide. where are the newspaper reporters?

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^ Smiling for the camera. :D

Oh Babay, a lot of people from scientific background have refuted this absurd theory.

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wonders

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yes, like dr. jesus is savior.com and rapture.org and the great charlatan haroon yahya..

there is plenty of raging debate in the scientific community over the exact genetic mechanisms of the evolutionary process, but no one credible will even jokingly deny that evolution is real.

p-jo, pizza restraant.

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^ Yes they do. Both seriously and jokingly.

It is not just creationists (or religious people) versus evolutionists.

Even without using religion as the basis, evolution has been negated.

Like I said above, science itself is enough for refuting evolution. :D

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Bring one solid scientific argument for evolution...without honestly using ...maybe, would be, could be, might have been, will be , will inevitably be, ....etc.

Anyone?

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that is a common problem for those that can't distinguish between science and pseudo-science.

also, there the issue of "i don't understand how 1 + 1 = 2, therefore its not true"

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once again, what makes you think you are qualified in any way to as for “one solid scientific argument?”

what do you think evolution is? some bollywood movie? :smack:

iqra!

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So if this site is giving outline of what evolution theory is, it should automatically be accepted? :smack:

What about a lot of other google searched site I can list in response?

**Bring one point…get refuted! **:hehe:

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exactly, basically anything i write, you'll be here with your giggly smilies and googled up pseudoscience and christian creationists links. bottomline is, you do not understand the concept, and think no one else can.

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So why is evolution any less acceptable than our belief in Supreme beings?

Btw, this reminds me of something we studied back then about continuous and discontinuous evolution. The latter was kinda weird.

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think? lol

I know even so called evolutionists do not know what they talk about. :)

Even for a third party observer, these clowns do not make sense.

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Kufr - it is the act of rejecting the truth ... diwana bro ... I can't see anything but kufr in the responses of the pro-evolutionists ... Ask them for a falsification test.

The only one they are able to present is the "test that lasts millions of years". Is that not the same as saying God exists ... see on the Day of Judgement that will take place in the future to see if we are correct? Evolution is a belief system.

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Yikes. Ahahaha.

Psyah
If all the findings from over a hundred years worth of research, from fields ranging from palaeontology to bio geography, isn't convincing, then I doubt the results of one single experiment is going to settle anything for those that dismiss evolution. There was an evolutionary biologist, I forget his name at the minute, who pointed out that if we found a rabbit fossil from the jurassic era, then the theory of evolution would be in trouble. We have not found anything so divisive. Instead, all the data collected from different fields fits a pattern. The fossil record, genetics, studies in morphology, they do not disprove each other. That pattern points to (ha, Diwana :P) evolution. From fish to four legged animals, from four legged animals to mammals, and so on.

Terms like 'points to' seems to be' 'will inevitably lead to' etc are used because it is acknowledged that there is yet more to understand, but that should not negate what has already been understood. In science things are always open to re-evaluation, and yet with all the progress and new discoveries that are being made, that pattern is getting stronger - not weaker.
Rejecting the truth? No. There is a huge difference between rejecting the truth and trying to figure out what the truth is, I'm sure you're aware of that.

Diwana, when you say things like "No concrete evidence...as science demands." I worry, because it indicates that perhaps you do not understand the scientific approach and what constitutes scientific evidence. I don't like saying that, it sounds awfully presumptuous and I don't wish to be dismissive but man, you test even my patience!

Cichlids, it goes beyond shapes and colours. I'm thinking queer's right, a discussion of speciation and adaptive radiation is going to be a complete waste of both our time.
I have to be honest, the rest of that post makes me alternate between giggling and wanting to pull my hair out. I'm sitting here wandering how to tackle your ' fish stayed fish' comment, it's like something out of Monty Python. :D
I am so going to regret this. Would you be up for a group read of a book on evolution?

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After all words you wrote there is no real scientific proof you could come up with why fish remained fish. Whole genome does not change.

Organism -> Mutation/adaptation -> Same species with some change. But no change in species itself. :D

Prove this ^ wrong. That is a task for you my friend.

Did you even get the example of cars? :)

The species may develop some genetic mutations and some beneficial some not.

But to extrapolate it in to evolution is a stretch and pure imagination.