Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Easy there Jiddu Krishnamurthy Junior!
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Evolution is a fact - and it is proven and mentioned in Quran ......
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Evolution is a fact - and it is proven and mentioned in Quran ......
Peace Naabigh
Where does it talk about evolution in the Qur'an?
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace Naabigh
Where does it talk about evolution in the Qur'an?
Has there not been over Man a long period of Time, when he was nothing - (not even) mentioned? surah Al insan - ayat no 1]
so there was a time when Human was nothing - something not even of worth mentioning .. He was a mass or a form of embryo - then after million of years that single cell was converted in double cell - so from the stage of being amiba protious he became Paramicia- Caratam .
As at this stage Insan wasnt able to understand and listen so Then my lord gave him more advanced and complicated systems
Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight Ayat no 2 ]
And the story goes on - Psyah you are a learned man - ponder over this surah and you will get the whole picture ...
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
^ Astaghfirullah Naabigh :)
I am not a learned man ... I am simple! Please show me where it talks about evolution ...
You have given me a nice verse on embryology ... but evolution? ... Look in embryology we are taught that a single cell creates us, we are but nothing just a mixture of organic material. I agree with that ...
You see Verse 1 is in context to Verse 2 ... the period of time is not meant as ages over millenia it is meant as the gestation period surely ... Show me how my understanding could be wrong. I really need more than this to accept Evolution as Fact and PROVEN in Qur'an.
Furthermore ... an embryo becomes an amoeba after million years? Don't you think the mother of the embryo would be dead by then?
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Evolution is a fact - and it is proven and mentioned in Quran ......
Nabbigh First of all evoultion is not a fact from where the hell did you got to know it is a fact first and second there is no evolution in the Quran I challenge you on this
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Kaka no part of Quran is taken from anwhere except the by ALLAH what is written in Quran Are the words of ALLAH not taken from Bible
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To the poster asking for proof of Adam and Eve, TA DA - The Quran!! And mr kaka, you keep saying that religious people who dont believe in evolution are afraid it will disprove their faith and therefore have weak faith, i find this assumption a tad insulting. I have a very strong faith in the quran and my god, THATS why i dont support the idea of evolution.
First tell where on earth the theory of evoultion has been proven sir it is still a theory and in Islam there is no concept of evoultotion
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace queer
They were black. The names both bear a resemblance to blackness - Adam and Hawa.
Genetic drift and natural selection mainly caused variations in races and and essentially all humans no matter what race they are can procreate with one another and all humans have the capacity to be black or white because these codons are either swithed on or off - giving colour to skin.
What you explained there is Evolution... If we as a race had been completely separated for even longer then it takes for our skin color to adapt to varying levels of sunlight, we may well have diverged to the extent that we could no longer procreate.
Why is that so difficult to believe?
You seem to exemplify someone who believes in Inches and Feet but not in Miles...
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace queer
They were black. The names both bear a resemblance to blackness - Adam and Hawa.
Genetic drift and natural selection mainly caused variations in races and and essentially all humans no matter what race they are can procreate with one another and all humans have the capacity to be black or white because these codons are either swithed on or off - giving colour to skin.
Evolution occurs in two ways: genetic drift and natural selection. you just accepted evolution occurs?
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Sorry, you both do not seem to know what evolution theory means. 
It is NOT about adaptation, and I think it is said above so many times.
Adaptation is very different from evolution.
Black, brown, yellow, white, short, medium, tall, curly hair, straight hair, brunette, blonde or red hair…
…ALL are still human.
Have been human,…WILL always be** human**. 
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
so tell me what evolutionary theory means?
and please...learn what adaptation is too...and stop placing such a great emphasis on it, you're confusing it with other things ; )
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
It's not just Muslims, it's people of other major religions as well. Why? Because Evolution contradicts religion. Evolution isn't mentioned anywhere in the Quran, instead the Quran talks about the concept of Adam and Eve which contradicts evolution.
To say that Evolution is not a fact is an ignorant statement to make. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence for evolution (i.e. fossil records, dna, genetic evidence, and more...). Whether or not you want to believe it because of your religion is your choice. But fact will remain fact. :p
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Please enlighten me as to what it means then.
Adaptation is a mechanism by which Evolution works. Its the nuts an bolts.
I dont think you have any understanding of genetics, mutations or science in general.
Mutations occur at a constant rate. With accumulation of mutations over many many generations, the genome becomes so different, as to constitute a new species. Its as inevitable as a drop of water in a bucket eventually spilling over.
Humans are still human because we were not separated for long enough as a species to constitute a new species.
Given enough time, in different environments, differentiation into a separate species is inevitable.
You seem to be in denial of some thing that is obvious and inevitable.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
It's not just Muslims, it's people of other major religions as well. Why? Because Evolution contradicts religion. Evolution isn't mentioned anywhere in the Quran, instead the Quran talks about the concept of Adam and Eve which contradicts evolution.
To say that Evolution is not a fact is an ignorant statement to make. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence for evolution (i.e. fossil records, dna, genetic evidence, and more...). Whether or not you want to believe it because of your religion is your choice. But fact will remain fact. :p
Yeah, it may contradict your understanding of religion, but that doesn't make it any less factual.
Evolution is a fact.
If your religion told you the sun doesnt exist, and the next day it rose as it always does, would you deny it exists even them? There is no arguing with science. If the facts show evolution is true, the problem isnt with Evolution or science, its with your understanding of your religion.
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Please enlighten me as to what it means then. Adaptation is a mechanism by which Evolution works. Its the nuts an bolts.
Says who?
The madari scientists who want to make money off of giving lectures around on evolution have never been able to prove this 'theory' you know.
I dont think you have any understanding of genetics, mutations or science in general.
And you do?
Please tell where in any species simple adaptation or mutation has led to change in species?
I refuted the example of E. Coli. E-coli still remained E-coli despite mutation.
Mutations occur at a constant rate. With accumulation of mutations over many many generations, the genome becomes so different, as to constitute a new species. Its as inevitable as a drop of water in a bucket eventually spilling over.
Again playing with words.
Something what you say as inevitable has not happened yet. Your example of drop in bucket does not apply here. It is all myth until proven.
Not yet proven!
Humans are still human because we were not separated for long enough as a species to constitute a new species.
There we go. You are making claim on something that has not happened yet and giving the made up reason for it but still saying it is proven.
Do you see the contradictions? :)
Given enough time, in different environments, differentiation into a separate species is inevitable.
Just a claim based on no solid evidence.
You seem to be in denial of some thing that is obvious and inevitable.
Again science claims to be based on facts. Evolution is not a fact proven by any evidence. Just speculations and expectations.
It seems like we are going in circle.
The so called evolutionists do not have anything to prove and have to says words like:
1- Is inevitable.
2- Will definitely be.
3- Has most likely been.
4- Given enough time.
5- It takes billions of years..... lol
So who will be there in billion of years to refute them hence they get away making absurd claims.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
^ Peace diwana
That is my point ... we are wasting our time in the arena of science backing up a theory that is not provable yet ... We should save ourselves a lot of time and effort and find a falsification test in order to clarify and move on.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Diwana, what are your thoughts on the Lake Victoria cichlids?
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Do you have any proof other than what the proponents of evolution theory say these 400-500 species developed/evolved (specified) over X number of thousand years?
More importantly, has anyone of these scientists proved that these 400-500 species EVER became so different that theese after soooo long have not changed to anything but** fish**.
( Please read this question carefully)
Fish always stayed fish. Regardless how many colors or other UNIQUE properties they developed.
These species still have unique genome.
Funny, after writing so much detail of ‘miraculous’ event of so called evolution occuring before eyes, the writers still have to write, “off course it is all hypothetical”. 
Notice there have been** extinction** of various species. 
Evolution is supposed to be a forward phenomenon. Meaning the better species or higher level of species. Am I wrong there?
**Although the scenario described above is a hypothetical one based on evolutionary theory, biologists have now discovered strong evidence that this process has actually occurred in the cichlid fish of Lake Victoria. **They’ve observed, along with other lines of evidence, many neighboring species pairs in which the surface-dwellers tend to be blue and blue-light-sensitive, while the deeper fish tend to be red and red-light-sensitive. Biologists are particularly excited about this discovery because it may represent an unusual mode of speciation. The sort of speciation that is easiest to gather evidence about is allopatric speciation — speciation that occurs partly through geographic isolation of the emerging species. In contrast, these cichlid species may have evolved without any physical separation at all.
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Unfortunately, the cichlids of Lake Victoria face an uncertain future. In the past few decades, many cichlid species have disappeared.** Some of these may have been pushed to extinction by invasive species, but others seem to have simply collapsed into one another. Deforestation, agricultural run-off, and pollution have caused the lake’s water to become much murkier. This has made it more difficult for the fish to choose mates based on color and has caused some species that rely on visual signals for mate choices (like the fish described above) to interbreed — resulting in fewer distinct species of fish and fish with duller colors. The recent research into how optics has influenced cichlid evolution shines a light on the processes that contribute to Earth’s fabulous biodiversity, but also highlights how easily that diversity can be snuffed out.
Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20109284/ns/technology_and_science-science/
Science has identified only about 2 million different living species in the world … the scientists estimate about 5 to 100 million different species exist in the world. Not only is it so easy for someone to identify a species that has not been catalogued but it is also easy to argue that certain catalogued species have evolved in to others or from others … How arrogant and false is this approach that we can say with any confidence that one thing evolved from one species to another when we have not even catalogued 40% of known species in the world and worst estimates make it less than 3%?
However with the 2 million species that have been catalogued … the chances that any 1 of them evolved to another species in the last 100 years should be quite high assuming we rely on evolution to tell us this is so.
When Einstein predicted that light bends with gravity he gave us an experiment that would prove or disprove it … when we saw the light of a star during a solar eclipse - a star that was supposed to be behind the sun at the time prove that light was bent.
When Michelson-Morley built the interoferometer to prove that the ether existed but saw that in fact there was no medium significant enough to explain the wave nature of light … their experiment disproved their hypothesis which they didn’t want and didn’t accept … but that was raw science.
Why is it that we can’t put something in to place to either prove or disprove this theory of evolution? Until then it is just a belief!