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Not only Mullahs... If you are rich or powerful, you are pretty much above law.
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Not only Mullahs, anyone who can gather few thousand or even hundred people, can buy airtime is above the law.
they can storm the parliament, curse anyone, threat anyone and can get away with almost everything.
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or if you are capable of looting a bank via few billion rupees loans
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Kakaballi, one of my friends sent me this link of the Lal Masjid fb page.
Then there is this nice attack on Jibran just because he is celebrating with friends. Just because he speaks out against them. Some people speak out in the comments.
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i think through jama hafsa page one can get the other side view of the issue. May ALLAH give istiqamah to them in speaking haq and make them steadfast.
May jibran nasir burn in hellfire for spreading false rumour against a madressa just because of his hate with religious people.
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Achhay Mulla , Burray Mulla - Achhay Taliban , Buray Taliban - Achhay Siasatdan , Buray Siasatdan
Hamari Tabahi , Sari burai
Kisi aur nay nahin ki
Apnon nay Wat lagai
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Why is he being hateful when on his page he has asked people to speak respectful words of the people who curse him? what about Lal Masjid/ASWJ publicly sharing his family pics/pics of his sister
People cursing and shaming Jibran Nasir for celebrating with friends. How does what he do personally affect them? Is he bragging about it on his official fb page? No, these are personal photos from his fb page.
https://www.facebook.com/JamiaHafsa1/photos/a.1497796337157018.1073741828.1496528020617183/1527345597535425/?type=1
Neither is he the first person to celebrate or wish other people on their festivals in Pakistan. Imran Khan, Zardari and Nawaz Sharif also wish diwali and mingle with the Pakistani Hindus. Will they have the nerve to threaten these leaders rather than ordinary citizens?
Jibran telling people to act civil and politely with Taliban sympathisers rather than wishing him to go to hell/shaming him or his family. Is he asking for death of Lal Masjid people? No he is not. He is speakiing out with his rights as a citizen to condemn their views and for this to be examined. After an arrest only the courts can decide be a person is to be charged and jailed.
That is the difference. He doesn’t have to shame their personal lives to score points. While they can openly post pictures of his family/sisters. If anything happens to him or his family they will be to blame.
I am sure if people in other countries are inspired by him and learn about Islam through his example like they did with Malala people will speak conspiracy theories of them as well.
He was the one who wanted to pray for Peshawar victims inside Lal Masjid mosque but was not allowed by those in Lal Masjid. They started their prayers outside. If it’s a mosque for public how can anyone be denied regardless of their ideology? Only after his pressure did Abdul Aziz condemn the Peshawar incident unconditionally. He did not call the children martyrs initially according to reports.
Jibran has never wished or condemned anyone to hellfire. Neither he has said hateful words or targeted any individual. He is not against religious people but rather he wants to reclaim religious places from speeches which promote hate towards other sects. People like him are also against the indiscriminate hanging of people under excuse of terror-eg. the petition against the 14 yr old. This was mentioned on his page as well.
Are all these Pakistanis from all walks of life who want to reclaim Lal Masjid for all people and want to stop speech by Abdul Aziz which is divisive deserving of hate?
Reputation of Lal Masjid was known much before Jibran started talking about them. They are the ones who rebelled on state and fired on soldiers. Was Jibran responsible for the Lal masjid siege and Musharraf taking Pakistani forces inside Lal Masjid? Will you say same for them? Since then Lal Masjid had plenty of time to reform themselves and focus on actual issues. what is with all their cursing of west and all people of west? Is West also responsible for Junaid Jamshed escaping there after blasphemy charges?
It’s easy for Lal masjid like people to speak of their own greatness among their own community rather than whole country. However, when outsiders from all walks of life in the country and abroad can see that you are remarkable then that is a sign of someone who is actually influential. He and the movement he has built has helped fast track conviction of suspects.
In Islamabad, rights activists continued their protests against Maulana Abdul Aziz, a conservative pro-Taliban cleric at the city’s Red Mosque, which has been a focus of extreme Islamist thought.
Jibran Nasir has been one such vocal critic, and since last week has led a campaign to have Mr. Aziz arrested on charges of terrorism. On Monday, dozens of protesters marched toward a police station to press the police to take action against Mr. Aziz. “Who is the enemy of Pakistan?” shouted one woman. “Taliban! Taliban!” responded the crowd.
It was a much smaller protest, however, than demonstrations last week. Mr. Nasir, the main organizer, said he had received a threatening phone call a day earlier from a man who claimed to be a Taliban spokesman.
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Who received a threatening phone call? It was Jibran not the Lal Masjid people. Threatening people is illegal..and if they can participate in democracy by filing an FIR then they can be responsible when they break laws. Why is the crowd protesting against Lal Masjid wrong when speaking against Taliban and not differentiating good vs bad Taliban?
The Afghan Taliban despite their origins and initial US support are not any better. How are they any better than TTP for killing their own Muslim brothers and sisters? These memes are from a Pakistani fb page.
The “good” Taliban in 1998
How the Taliban slaughtered thousands of people
Based on eyewitness statements, The Sunday Times has pieced together an account of the nightmare that engulfed Mazar-e-Sharif when the Taliban entered the city from the west on the morning of August 8 1998. They were intent on avenging a massacre of some 2,000 of their own men in 1997, when the Hazaras and other fighters turned against them.
There ensued what one **witness called “a frenzy” of vengeance killing. **The Taliban fighters swept through the city, firing heavy machineguns mounted on pickup trucks. One man described how the streets were covered with bodies and blood. The Taliban, he said, forbade anyone to bury the corpses for six days.
On the second day, according to numerous witnesses, the Taliban began a house-to-house search for Hazara men. Hazaras, descended from Mongols, are easy to recognise by their distinctive Asiatic features compared with the ethnic Pashtuns who make up the ranks of the Taliban. They share their Shia faith with Iran, while the Taliban are Sunni Muslims.
A witness whose testimony is described as “extremely reliable” by aid officials said most of the victims had been shot in the head, the chest and the testicles. Others had been slaughtered in what he called “the halal way” - by having their throats slit.
One housewife, who has since fled to Pakistan, said the Taliban entered her house and shot her husband and her two brothers dead. Then they cut the men’s throats in front of the woman and her children.
Another piece of testimony explained why one Taliban was “very worried he might be excluded from heaven”. He had personally shot people in nearly 30 houses, opting to kill them as soon as they opened the door. After killing the men in two homes, he learnt that they were not Hazara but Pashtun. “That he had killed people in 28 Hazara households seemed not to cause him any concern at all,” the witness said.
Men not murdered on the spot were “stuffed into containers after being badly beaten”, said another witness. He saw the doors opened on a container after all the men inside had died from suffocation.
He also testified that some containers were filled with children who were taken to an unknown destination after their parents had been killed.
Human Rights Watch has obtained gruesome confirmation of the Taliban’s penchant for death by container. It quotes a man who was detained by the militia and saw container trucks filled with victims leaving the Mazar-e-Sharif jail several times every day.
Once he watched as the Taliban opened the container doors to find three prisoners alive and about 300 dead. The Taliban drove the trucks to a desert site known as Dasht-e-Leili and ordered porters to dump the cargo of corpses in the sands.
**The Human Rights Watch report and other statements identify three Taliban leaders who appear to be guilty of incitement to kill victims purely because of their ethnic origin. They are:
Mullah Manon Niazi, the new Taliban governor of Mazar-e-Sharif. **Numerous witnesses heard him make speeches at mosques and on radio inciting hatred of Hazaras. “Wherever you go we will catch you,” he said. “If you go up, we will pull you down by your feet; if you hide below we will pull you up by your hair.” One witness testified that Niazi personally selected prisoners to be consigned to the death containers.
Mullah Musa, the so-called director of public health. A witness said Musa toured a public hospital looking for Hazara patients to mark out for death. Later that day, the witness heard from a doctor that Musa had taken a group of gunmen to the army hospital, where they had murdered all 20 or so patients, and relatives who had been visiting them.
Maulawi Mohammed Hanif, a Taliban commander who announced to a crowd of 300 people summoned to a mosque that the policy of the Taliban was to “exterminate” the Hazaras.
International aid workers fear the killings are continuing following the recent fall of the central Afghan town of Bamiyan. They have said thousands of people remain unaccounted for.
how many of us can survive this treatment by the “good” Taliban even for a day
What is with all their generalised cursing of west and all people of west by Lal Masjid people? Curse the foreign policy and drones etc if they want but how is cursing everything make any sense? Is West also responsible for Junaid Jamshed escaping to UK after blasphemy charges? Unlike Junaid Jamshed and others Jibran has no plan to be chased out and he will stay here with his views.
But to Lal Masjid people Jibran and Malala are the biggest threats.
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This is because i feel jibran issue is not lal masjid but religious people/identity. this is what i feel. lets wait and see.
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i think through jama hafsa page one can get the other side view of the issue. May ALLAH give istiqamah to them in speaking haq and make them steadfast.
May jibran nasir burn in hellfire for spreading false rumour against a madressa just because of his hate with religious people.
Do you support ISIS?
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Do you support ISIS?
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As per what media has reported about innocent killings etc no i dont.
i consider them a distortion to islam, and same goes for TTP.
If you intend to refer to jamia hafsa video about isis , then meray aziz it is a mistake they should avoid.Similar to many people supporting hizbullah or bashar regardless of thier crimes against ahl e sunnah.
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As per what media has reported about innocent killings etc no i dont.
i consider them a distortion to islam, and same goes for TTP.
If you intend to refer to jamia hafsa video about isis , then meray aziz it is a mistake they should avoid.Similar to many people supporting hizbullah or bashar regardless of thier crimes against ahl e sunnah.
You said that Jamia Hafza facebook page gives their side of the points of view. I browsed it and find that there are several (definitely not a mistake) posts praising ISIS and they are calling the looter their Khalifa. And you prayed for their isteqamat.
That's why I asked if you really like ISIS.
As for TTP, there are videos on that page where the Mullah Burqa is calling them Mujahid struggling for implementation of Quran and Sunnah in the country.
And then there are photos of Mullah burqa with armed body guards. How is he a Mujahid when he supports other peoples' kids to be killed in militancy but is overly concerned about his own safety?
In one video he is describing the great scenes of Jannah and how it would be the greatest thing one could hope for. He should really be eager to go there as soon as possible (preferably while fighting alongside ISIS) instead of hiding like a mouse.
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That's why I asked if you really like ISIS.
Isn't that obvious from his posts? As for Lal "masjid" the place will continue to churn out homicidal bombers for long time to come. The place should have been razed to the ground after the operation...
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And then there are photos of Mullah burqa with armed body guards. **How is he a Mujahid when he supports other peoples' kids to be killed in militancy but is overly concerned about his own safety?
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His only son got martyred in lal masjid, there was one interview of abdur rasheed ghazi in which he mentioned why abdul aziz shaib went out from lal masjid. I think apart from his jazbati pun(which again has a history and reason behind and which i think is cureable.) i dont agree with them completly but in this case with jibran i think lal masjid is being targetted in a wrong way only for being religious.
Just dont want to suppport them but at times you have to present otherwide view to make people know compelte picture( some thing very rare when party at the receiving end is religious)
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comments are scary and funny. so much hatred from certified idiots. some of them have family pics of themselves with their kids etc, and busy condemning people as kafir bc and what not. 
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Isn't that obvious from his posts? As for Lal "masjid" the place will continue to churn out homicidal bombers for long time to come. The place should have been razed to the ground after the operation...
Do quote me where i supported them. and please dont run away from the discussion now that you have started this :)
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His only son got martyred in lal masjid, there was one interview of abdur rasheed ghazi in which he mentioned why abdul aziz shaib went out from lal masjid. I think apart from his jazbati pun(which again has a history and reason behind and which i think is cureable.)
He still has a chance joining up with ISIS and take his students with him. They are really looking forward to some female company.
i dont agree with them completly but in this case with jibran i think lal masjid is being targetted in a wrong way only for being religious.
Just dont want to suppport them but at times you have to present otherwide view to make people know compelte picture( some thing very rare when party at the receiving end is religious)
You actually did a dis-service to them linking their FB page. It actually convinced at least me that there is no doubt that what Jibran has been saying is right.
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He still has a chance joining up with ISIS and take his students with him. They are really looking forward to some female company.
You actually did a dis-service to them linking their FB page. It actually convinced at least me that there is no doubt that what Jibran has been saying is right.
i did not gave their page link. :)
Anyway good that now you have an opinion which has some basis and is not on* sunni sunai *baat
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i think through jama hafsa page one can get the other side view of the issue. May ALLAH give istiqamah to them in speaking haq and make them steadfast.
May jibran nasir burn in hellfire for spreading false rumour against a madressa just because of his hate with religious people.
Religious people aren't easy to like...