Why Are Hindus so Offended?

Why are most Hindus, even the secular and the so-called liberal ones, so offended by Center’s contention that there is no evidence to suggest existence of Rama?

The obsession with Rama is a recent phenomenon. Different Hindu gods were popular in different times - more like popularity ratings. Ram has been becoming popular in the recent times, starting with Gandhi who kept repeating his name many times and culminating in Rath Yatra taken up by LK Advani.

Hindus were quite OK for a long time in accepting their mythologies as pure myth, because their gods were quite real to them and no matter what Science said, it didn’t bother them. They continued to pray to them as if they were real. Only in the last century, unfortunately, Hindus have been introduced to Science which questions things. Before that, Hindus were quite happy just learning things by rote for thousands of years. Any profound questioning thoroughly discomforts most Hindus and that’s also the reason why we don’t see revolutionary scientific thinkers from this land. It goes without saying that even a renowned ‘scientist’ from India is a deeply religious man who mixes myth with reality at any point of time without qualms.

Another introduction to Hindus is the rule of law, which is a recent phenomenon. Hindus are also very averse to rules coming from the state. They would like to cross the road when they want to, just like their venerated cows. All these street lights are a major encumbrance to them. It is an ‘artificial Western construct’ imposed onto them which they detest completely. Rule of law demands a certain degree of exactness which Hindus are completely averse to. Hindus have wallowed and took rejoice in ambiguity. Hence a rule of law of demanding exactness is an anathema. Reproducing exact evidence is completely irrelevant since justice can be bought at a certain price- all Hindus have grown up knowing this as part of our culture- hence there is no need for actual evidence to make a case.

The other introduction that happened in the last hundred years is the familiarity with other Western religion on a massive scale. Earlier, Hindus lived as Hindus without ever knowing what Christianity or Islam was. Only in the last hundred years, they were exposed to these other religions on a more-than-desired levels - through ‘unnecessary’ campaigns of Gandhi, through media, and through the recent ‘conversion’ episodes. What they have found is that these religions had a founder and also a religious book. Hindus, instead of just accepting they don’t have a founder and no religious book, tried their best to posit one such hero and one such book as its holy book. Enter Rama and enter Bhagavad Gita. Though there is no unanimity in this, in recent times Indians have been positing these two icons as symbols of Hindus. If Mohammed existed and lived, so did Rama. If Christians had Bible to quote, so Hindus had Gita.

So, when suddenly some high authority of ‘secular’ India suggests that there is no evidence to prove existence of Rama, these Hindus, which includes almost everyone, including those secular one and those liberal ones, stand up and protest. Because this contention directly competes with the recently formed opinions, in competition with other religions they have been exposed to.

Hindus have been taking Rama quite seriously recently, only in the last 100 years, and more so since LK Advani’s Rath Yatra and the Ayodhya episode. Rama became an icon or symbol they are going to die for, just the way Muslims are ready to die (and kill) for the sake of Prophet Mohammed. While there is lot of evidence to suggest that Mohammed existed and walked on this planet in flesh and blood, and while there is scant evidence that Jesus may have existed, there is no evidence to suggest Rama ever walked on this planet. This is nothing to do with our inadequate research. It has to do with time. While Mohammed walked on this planet around 1500 years ago, and Jesus might have walked 2000 years ago, most dates for Rama are not less than 3500 years ago. Our recorded history is more robust only from the times of 800 BC in case of Western Civilizations (not including Egyptian Civilization). And Hindus have been little lax about historical documentation of their histories, mixing fantasy with facts wherever possible.

Rama may have existed, or maybe he did not exist. That does not diminish the richness of Hinduism. It should not invalidate their belief systems or their religion. But for some reason, Hindus want to compete with other modern religions and in that effort would like to validate his authenticity to suit their belief systems by asserting that their icons are indeed real just like founders of other religions.

Hinduism is an ancient religion which predates most other modern religions. Hindus should take pride, if they want to, in the fact that our religion has evolved over thousands of years instead of being static, interpreted narrowly by one single icon or one single book. But then, most Hindus do not understand the essence of their own religion beyond the mere rituals and mere competition with other religions. Self-confidence is lacking and hence this flurry of activity to posit their religion equivalent to other modern religions.

Would Hindus raise their voices if someone said there is no evidence to suggest existence of Lord Indra? Not really. Because Lord Indra is not as popular as Lord Rama these days. The same is true for Vamana avatar, Narsimha avatar, Kurma avatar, et al, of Vishnu. Rama is important but not other avatars. It is nothing to do which avatar is important. It is to do with the present generations which grew up with knowing Rama as the most popular god, thanks to LK Advani and his BJP, and sister groups such as VHP and Bajrang Dal, and also a little thanks to exposure to competing religions.

In the last hundred years, there has been a slow and concerted effort to construct Rama as the most popular god to consolidate Hindus under one banner so that they can be manipulated with one stroke. How else would you move the Hindu sentiments as one monolithic religion? Hinduism was always a collection of myths, stories, gods, books, rituals and practices. There was no unique icon to unite them all. That also poses a problems to those who would like to ensure they get the sympathies from Hindus on a religious basis. Hence, borrowing from what Gandhi had already set in motion, the modern day Hindu organizations and affiliated political parties have started to position Rama as the strong contender. Lord Krishna always had some flaws which seem to dominate more than his strengths and he would not have stood the mass appeal from a dias as much as Lord Rama whose impeccable record (other than one or two guffaws) made him the ideal contender from Hindu pantheon.

Therefore, in the last hundred years, Hindu organizations, groups, sympathizers, devout, radical, fanatic, et al, have been positioning Rama to be the icon for Hindus. Popularization of places related to Rama, stories of Rama, embracing Rama Rajya for Hindu Rashtra, etc, were carried out on a massive scale. To help this further, the present generation of Indians grew up knowing Ramayana from the TV serial. They all have images to relate to thus accentuating the belief he really existed. It is not just the political parties with vested interest that campaigned for this. It includes all Hindus who had a selfish interest to promote their religion. It includes all devout who wanted to get a ratification of his belief system. It includes even secular and liberal Hindus who wanted to glorify their culture. It also includes leftist and Marxist group who wanted to posit India as a great country with great ancient history.

Rama is not only real but ‘hyper-real’. His existence cannot even be challenged because he is so real that he lives in the ‘collective conscience’ of billions.

Our inadequate education that does not impart rational and logical thinking completes the story. Not equipped with the right tools, most Indians get carried away by rhetoric, blind belief and superstition. They do not differentiate between what is evidence and what is ‘collective conscience’. They do not differentiate between myth and reality. According to them, Rama is real and you just have to accept it. No proof required.

When the present government, led by a Christian Italian Indian woman, a Sikh, a puppet President, and a Muslim Vice-President, backs Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) to suggest there is no evidence to prove existence of Rama, all Hindus, including the so-called secular ones and liberal ones, rise up in unanimous protest, because it challenges their belief systems that was carefully constructed in the last hundred years on which they have taken their inspiration and confidence. Rama’s un-existence suddenly invalidates their confidence levels. It is like pulling the rug from under their feet causing them to lose balance. They just don’t like it. If Islam has Mohammed in flesh and blood, and if Christianity has Jesus, in half flesh and blood, then they better have their Ram in hyper-reality. Whatever works!

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The author of this article has no knowledge of ethics of India and Rama.

Hindus are offended....well, but have not come to streets, have not started burning the public property, killings, have not threatened to kill the ignorants, issuing fatwas etc.

Just compare it to the ethics of the good and peaqceful religions of the West!!!

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Neither we hindus ask ppl to convert nor we say hindus will rule the world!!!

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^^ So you guys have no intention of Hindu Supremacy ? Nice :)

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^^ yup .Just live life peacefully

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May be it was a mob of thousands of PEACEFUL WESTERNERS who swarmed the BABRI MOSQUE and took to the streets of AYODHIA.

May be it was PEACEFUL WEST **behind the **MUSLIM MASSACRE **and **RAMPAGE in GUJARAT.

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^ Excellent observation Dr. Sufi, i see you rarely in this kind of form but when you have said it you have hit the nail on the head.

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this is how the religiouso ensure they are fed. whether they have any knowledge or not, just fake whatever comes to mind and get kids riled up to go burst into school or market place. if is Ramadan or Rosh Hashana or the ssg officers' mess dinner time, it is even better.

what is it going to take these nuts to understand simple facts of life? hindu muslim enmity has killed thousand. jewish muslim enmity has killed thousands. muslim muslim enmity has killed thousands. christian muslim enmity has killed thousands. and these nuts still talk ill of each other

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To be honest i wud b offended if a government issues a report questioning the existence of allah, so i think they have a right to be offended especially whn it has cum 4rm the indian govt.

I'm a muslim, but even i can say if this was a report published in a muslim country questioning the existence of allah, u can only imagine what would follow, so i don't think its a matter of why r hindus offended, i think any1 has the right to be offended by such a thing

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thank you thank you thank you!

i was getting so discouraged and disappointed about how so called 'resident muslim scholars' were opining on the subject until you came along with this uniquely sensible and honest reaction.

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everytime u guys come up with the same thing. Tell me how many people were involved in these activites. Out of 80 crore hindus how many participated in riots? how many hindus went and demolished the mosque? It wont be 0.000001% of the population. Same thing can be said for muslims also. taliban,alqueda are all muslims terrosits organization. so should we blame all muslims for that.

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I want your observation on my note above

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WEll said, I agree, if only every1 could understand that !!!

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Why you are so easily offended? And why you want to divert the discussion???.

Kindly open separate thread on Babri Mosque and Gujarat and then I will ask you following.......

.........to enlighten me why riots in Gujrat took place?

...........what was the need to construct (BY Babur) a Muslim Mosque at the entire centre of a Hindu sacred city. Does Islam allow to offend beleivers of other faiths?

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I think as a hindu u shouldnt take the moral burden of and should not be apolegetic about Babri masjid,gujrat etc etc etc which were wrongg doings of few.When they r not ready to take up the moral burden of their wrong doings on the name of so called the religion of peace.If some people from religion of peace terrorising the world and propogating hate and destruction on the name of religion of peace cant be considedered from that religion then how come some thousands from RSS BJP SHIV SENA et.al destroying babri masjid gujrat etc etc can be considered hindus after all hinduism to pearches peaceful co-existence unless pushed against the wall.Scales r same for all peaceful religions.No Hypocrisy!

PS:All the problems r political ones be it gujrat,babari masjid, some mandir,crusades,jihad et.al. the only commonality is that the religion is dargged into it by the warring parties who themselves dont know the ABCD of the religion they r fighting for.And because of them silent majority has to suffer by becoming apolegitic.

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Pertaining to the topic it was bad precedent that indian govt has set and hence the flare up was expected forcing the Govt. to take back its words.As for Mr.Sujai(author of the article) can believe that E=MC^2 ,which unfortunately not prove by him but the great Einstein (which again is proven fundamentally wrong with passage of time) then i must say that he should believe in RAM/ALLAH/GOD too.And when Mr.sujai claims that in only last 100 years hindus came to know about wetern religions proves his lack of knowledge.If befrore that hindu never knew what islam and christianity was then how come many hindus converted to islam as back as 6th century or may be earlier in kerala.If today Mr. sujai can tell me wats beyond universe then i'll take his words that there is no wasn't any RAM who walked this earth.If Mr.sujai can tell me wats the purpose of his exsistence then i'll agree with him.

I think he has been rubbed wrong way by someone or he got so much frustated with repeated failures in his life that all his frustationwhich resulted in the form of this article on indians and patricularly on hindus.i wish to qoute one reply of his from the blog:

"I am not offended! :) I am happy! Because they keep validating my theories that Indians are idiots!Oh, well I will stick to Indians. They consist of Idiotic Hindus (predominantly), Idiotic Muslims, Idiotic Sikhs/Christians/Jains (in minority), etc."

This very much reveals his mentality.To me he seems to be atheist who deny exsistence of god.If he carries on like that he will deny his exsistence too.

P.S. These blogs must be taken with pinch of a salt.not worthy enough to be discussed in reputed and respected religion forums.

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Mamu,

Observation ki baat hi nahi, I myself regret of whts happening in India its a political agenda which has taken a religious turn. Other day Tamil Nadu CM karunanidhi passed a comment he himself doesnt believe the existene of Ram, and i could feel the political agenda behind it.

What to observe is that when all such stuff comes out from no where why are Muslims supposed to be blamed for it, do you get my point and you say out of 80 crores hindus the question is not about 80 crores hindus but its about being rationale in what is said.

I live in India with 90 percent friends as hindus, and i dont find my friends stooping to such a low level to blame muslims for somethign which they havent done and I can see indians here who are damn trying to blame muslims for nothing where is the logic.

The point is babri masjid and the Gujarat massacre are credited to the hindus and thats the only point we can argue about.

Regarding blaming all Muslims, yes even this is not true (but for someone who possesses your wisdom) but we have some bigoted people in GS who will never flinch, incessantly talking bout muslims directly or indirectly hurting our sentiments and i have nothing against you coz i do respect you.

I come from a belief everyone is entitled to believe in his/her opinion unless its not disturbing the tranquility of the surroundings.

I hope if some can understand the same point you made it would benefit each one of us. I hope and again i hope we could.
Take care,

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Existence prove karo just joking bro take care.

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I remember a while ago, a pakistani guppy had posted the fact that a couple of Hindu temples were destroyed in Pakistan and converted to mosques. Why didn't Hindus riot over this issue when this happened in Pakistan like the Muslims did over Babri Masjid? These temples were places of worship for hundreds of years and were so easily destroyed by Muslims. Why doesn't anybody ever make a big deal about this?

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