why even after geting married God has put restriction on pleasing each other? Not having sex before marriage makes sense but what if the couple wants to experience oral pleasure after getting married. Are they still going to be committing a sin? is it going to be as bad as ZANNA? or what are the concequences ?
Is having oral as bad as Zanna at the first place?
and what about anal sex? why cant have that if the female is willing to experience it? offcorse after marriage that is.
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sheeda, go for it. God loves it children more when they please each other. Stop reading too much into it and i say just do it
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we r in no position to question God....
while anal sex is strictly prohinited by hadith, oral is still debated and scholars advise to stay away from it on the grounds of "its not a good thing to do" and have no real evidence against it from Quran/hadith....
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yes sheedy go all the way.
1-Make she don't divorce you right after "ANL"
2-And stop doing "ORL" once you have kids
You don't want your wife to be kissisg you kiddis with same mouth ..she served pleasure to u
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but it wud be fine if she touches them with the same hands that come into play durin those pleasure sessions, or if she cooks with them???
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I think regardless of anyother thing its such a degrading act for a women to perform and how can you even bring yourself to think that the women who is supposed to be the guardian of your and your families honour a women who is to upbring your next generation is worthy of something better...............Yes yes its very old fashioned but i think some old fashioned things still stand true and its one of them
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Simple rules:
It is quite basic in a persons faith after they say the shahadah (believing in Allah) that the person also accept that whatever Allah/GOD wills for him/her is the best for them!
This is why many permissible action are not allowed in certain times. e.g. eating and drinking while fasting, and others during Ihram of Hajjor Umrah..so let the believer limit the questions of “why I can’t do this …why is Allah not allowing me …” let the believer understand that it is for his best health and life to obey Allah SWT and His messenger SAW!
**Anal intercourse is prohibited by Quran & Hadith both!! **
where as Oral is although not prohibited but there is difference of opinion on it. There is not hadeeth or verse of Quran directly addressing Oral only. That is why some believe it is ok as long as it is within limits (and they define the limits being swallowing of excrements from privates- read the last link I added here) and some disagree and say it is a disgusting thing to be avoided completely! wallahu Alam!
(Surah Baqarah verse 223)
arabic ayah
Almighty Allah says in the Qur’an: “Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth (have sexual relations with your wives in any manner as long as it is in the vagina and not in the anus), when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allah to bestow upon you pious offspring) for your own selves beforehand. And fear Allah, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad).” (Al-Baqarah: 223)
My comments : note that the words in paranthesis are explanations of Harth.
In the foregoing verse the word harth (tilth) indicates that only vaginal sex is permissible in Islam, because it is from this place children are produced. The semen lodged in the womb from which offspring comes is likened to the seeds that are planted in the ground, bringing vegetation. Both of them are substances from which something else is produced.
All Muslim jurists agree that anal sex is haram (prohibited), based on the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): “Do not have anal sex with women.” (Reported by Ahmad, At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa’i, and Ibn Majah.)
Khuzaymah Ibn Thabit (may Allah be pleased with him) also reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Allah is not too shy to tell you the truth: Do not have sex with your wives in the anus.” (Reported by Ahmad, 5/213.)
Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Allah will not look at a man who has anal sex with his wife.” (Reported by Ibn Abi Shaybah, 3/529, and At-Tirmidhi classified it as an authentic hadith, 1165)
Further, it is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) referred to such an act as “minor sodomy”. (Reported by Ahmad and An-Nasa’i)
However, it is allowed to caress the wife and stimulate her around the anus, without having sex in this area. It is reported that `Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (ay Allah be pleased with him) came one day to the Prophet and said, “O Messenger of Allah, I am ruined!” “What has ruined you?” asked the Prophet. He replied, “Last night I turned my wife over,” meaning that he had had vaginal intercourse with her from the back. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not say anything to him until the verse cited above was revealed. Then he told him, “[Make love with your wife] from the front or the back, but avoid the anus and intercourse during menstruation.” (Reported by Ahmad and At-Tirmidhi)
If one does have anal sex with his wife, he has committed a grave sin, which requires repentance. He should regret and feel contrite for committing such a sin. Allah Almighty destroyed a whole nation who were accustomed to this evil habit.
But, the wife is not considered divorced as many people think, because there is no evidence to support this view. However, scholars maintain that if a man habitually does this or insists on having anal sex with his wife, she has the right to ask for a divorce, because he is considered an evildoer who is causing harm by his action, and also because the purpose of marriage cannot be achieved through this action.
The wife has to resist this evil action and refuse to respond to her husband’s desire to have anal sex. She should remind him of Allah as well as the punishment of those who transgress the Bounds set by Him, Most High.
The tafsir (explanation) is that Harth (Tilth) implies that you are sowing for a harvest. So it is from where childbirth is possible.
Also a useful q/a on exactly what you asked:
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/fatwah_story.asp?service_id=318
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where I took the above explanation from.
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Some people can't think beyond their organ.
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^^ agreed!
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nothing wrong with pleasure
Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?
1-Make she don't divorce you right after "ANL"
2-And stop doing "ORL" once you have kids You don't want your wife to be kissisg you kiddis with same mouth ..she served pleasure to u
i agree totally and plus this matter is debated upon.
anal is prohibited becoz the people of prophet lut (as) performed this act and due to this act that nation was destroyed by allah, so he prohibited it in time so the nation of the greatest prophet, prophet muhammad peace be upon him has no simmilarities between the nation of lut and ours.
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Nation of Prophet Loot was homosexual, please be corrected. Quran does not refer them to be anal intercoure doers but homosexuals.
Regardless of what we think about anal or oral sex, we have to know that whatever Allah wants to prohibit completely he orders explicitly not implicitly, therefore rather than using the words Hirth which may lead to many meanings he would have used a direct order, like he did in case of having sex in Ramadhan or mensuration. Probably this is an act which is not haram but makrooh.
About oral there is simply no where in HADITH or Quran about permission or denial so most ulemas have termed it permissible. if someone feels bad abot it there is no compulsion on him to do it. Remember if someone does not think it is good he should not do it but telling others that it is a disgusting act is like a vegetarian telling a meat eater how on earth you can tolerate this eating flesh. Declaration of Halaal & Haraam is Allah's domain and no scholar has authority to declare something Halaal or Haraam, they at maximum can declare somethimg makrooh and that probably they have done it for both of them
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^ atleast get your word right....before you give a fatwa I mean...IMHO
it is Harth with a fatha not a kasra on "haa".
And it is clear from the Ayah that it impllies the vagina and not the anus.
because harth means crop or harvest and you can only harvest (have children) from the vagina.
and the consensus for anal to be a major sin is among all 4 schools of thought.
I don't know about Jaafria (shia). What is there opinion?
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anal is prohibited becoz the people of prophet lut (as) performed this act and due to this act that nation was destroyed by allah, so he prohibited it in time so the nation of the greatest prophet, prophet muhammad peace be upon him has no simmilarities between the nation of lut and ours.
People of Lut performed this act on other men, not women. This doesn't have much to do with the current topic.
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sorry LKC bhai but I think although indirectly, but it is somewhat related. Anal sex is a trademark of homosexuality in men specifically.
So yes that is why Islam prohibited it so much as it is an un-natural act maybe in some limited case performed by animals. Otherwise it is not even done by animals. (I am referring to the report that was on BBC saying animals do it etc.)
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and the consensus for anal to be a major sin is among all 4 schools of thought.
I don't know about Jaafria (shia). What is there opinion?
well i am not a shia, however i agree to the stance of Ali Sistani that it is not liked but allowed if both partners agree. Not necessary that whatever my faqih has understood about interpretation of an ayat is always correct. Quran is correct but interpretations may vary. Had Allah completely forbidden this act he would not have used such terms which lead to speculation but rather directly forbade us to do so. HE himself states that Allah is not ashamed of giving any thing as an example may it be of a mosquito. The wording was delibrately choosen to give a leverage that if someone is too desparate to experiment such act, he does not have to go out of wedlock to do it. i do not want to do it, however i have no legal authority to declare something halaal or haraam which Allah has not directly forbidden or allowed. This type of sex is in the grey area where it is left to our better judgement. it cannot be imposed but understood.
Also if it is forbidden why for oral sex nothing is available in Quran or Hadith about it & implicit reference is given about anal sex with four Zaeef Hadith. surely arabs were doing all kind of sexual experimentation, but why Authentic sources of fiqah are so silent?
The point is not to prove that anal sex (which i do not believe is completely allowed) & oral sex (which may be allowed) are halaal or haraam, the issue is whether any interpreter has the authority to declare some thing halaal or haraan which has not been explicitly declared so?
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http://www.understanding-islam.org/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=262
This is the debate from where i have assumed that the hadith governing the hurmat of anal sex are zaeef. however i may be wrong and the interpreter may have delibrately twisted the facts. please if you can visit the link and see it yourself and add in the post if you have some other explanation.
Why i am not absolutely believing now, what i belived at the outset was because at that time i had never explored the scholar behind the explanation. now as the scholar Moiz Amjad is a student of Javed Ahmed Ghamdi whom i respect a lot but do not agree to his views for totally brushing the Hadits on side, i am not sure if i need to take his explanation on face value. If these Ahadiths are not Zaeef than the case is proven beyond doubt that anal sex is absolutely forbidden however if they really are Zaeef, then the same issue props up. Does any scholar or mufassir has the authority to declare something Halaal or Haraam without explicit order in Quran or Sunnah?
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Dear Brother MKF:
I don’t use that site and am not fond of it. In this case their answer is not addressing two important things. The verse of Quran and also the “authentic” (saheeh) hadith on the matter.
Maybe the hadeeth that they referred to is weak but** the issue is not this hadeeth only. The issue is that the Quran and other (saheeh) hadith are present on the topic. **
Quran’s use of Harth (tilth) or harvest is quite clear that this is the vaginal opening not the anal opening as you cannot “till” anything from the back. You can only “till” or get children from the front.
for your clarification: (from dictionary.com)
tilth
*–noun *1.the act or operation of tilling land; tillage. 2.the state of being tilled or under cultivation. 3.the physical condition of soil in relation to plant growth. 4.land that is tilled or cultivated.
and “till”
till
*–verb (used with object) *1.to labor, as by plowing or harrowing, upon (land) for the raising of crops; cultivate. 2.to plow. *–verb (used without object) *3.to cultivate the soil.
now I am not a scholar so here is the answer from Shaikh Saleh Al-Munajjid from (islam qa):
It is not permissible for the husband under any circumstances whatsoever to have intercourse with his wife in her back passage. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth (have sexual relations with your wives in any manner as long as it is in the vagina and not in the anus), when or how you will” [al-Baqarah 2:223]. It is known that the place of tilth is the vagina, which is the place from which one hopes for a child. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He is cursed who has intercourse with women in their back passages.” (Narrated by Ibn ‘Udayy, 1/211; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Adaab al-Zafaaf, p. 105).
This is because it [anal intercourse] goes against the fitrah [natural inclinations of man] and is an action which is revolting to those of a sound human nature; it also causes the woman to miss out on her share of pleasure; and the back passage is a place of filth and dirt – and there are other reasons which confirm the fact that this deed is haraam.
and another answer here
Wallahu Alam - May Allah guide those who seek guidance & truth!
(ameen)
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it's more an issue of marriage than religion right? I mean if one partner finds it pleasurable it should be something that only the couple decides on and noone else.
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That doesn't have anything to do with doing it with a women. Anal sex with a women won't make you a homosexual.
As for animals, I won't compare them with humans: Polygamy & polyandry is committed by ALOT of animals; the animal closest to the human - ape (monkey, gorilla) - itself indulges in anal intercourse frequently, not only males & females, but males & males aswell.
