why anal and oral are an exeption?

[PyariCgudia]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

Its not about questioning God, when people ask these questions. Its about broadening your understanding. If people didn't ask questions like this, then it wouldn't lead mankind to research into why these practices might be harmful or wrong. Please don't encourage a close-mindedness approach to Islam. Its already got the Muslim world in a position where they need to beg for alms to feed their countrymen.

Anway, anal sex is haraam, and explicitly prohibited in the Quran. Reasoning? Has nothing to do with whether or not a female would be willing. There are lots of women who are willing, but that doesn't determine whether the act should be haraam or not.

Anal sex involves the anal canal and rectum. If you only knew what grows in that area of your body, my friend, you would wash your hands 20 times after you visit the bathroom and do a #2. So, why would you want to put your genitals in that area? It leads to various genital infections.

Oral sex, is different. Its not explicitly prohibited in the Quran, although it is discouraged by scholars, because it too can lead to medical problems. Whereas, genital-genital contact will not spread infections because your genital mucosa is adapted to the sexual contact with another person's genitals. STD's would be an exception, but then, STD's can be easily avoided by healthy and safe sexual practices. Whereas, you can't stop E.coli from being transferred from someone's anal canal to a man's penile urethra.

BTW, I remember there being an explicit ayah in the Quran, which I don't see posted here (although I might have missed it when perusing the thread). It talks specifically of avoiding anal sex. And there's really no confusion about the terms used. It clearly talks about anal sex. :)

[Antumul_alona]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

I don't think there is any other Ayah regarding the topic, but if you are so confident please post it here. I know it seems so, becuase for most people ayah 223 of Baqarah is explicitly prohibiting the act.

[Antumul_alona]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

That doesn't have anything to do with doing it with a women. Anal sex with a women won't make you a homosexual.

As for animals, I won't compare them with humans: Polygamy & polyandry is committed by ALOT of animals; the animal closest to the human - ape (monkey, gorilla) - itself indulges in anal intercourse frequently, not only males & females, but males & males aswell.

well related or not, it is an unnatural act and prohibited.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

It talks about not entering your wife from the back. And that's exactly the English translation as I've seen it. I'm pretty sure its in the Quran.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

@Antumul alona

I don't think there is any other Ayah regarding the topic, but if you are so confident please post it here. I know it seems so, becuase for most people ayah 223 of Baqarah is explicitly prohibiting the act.

Ayah 223 of Surah Baqarah does not even mention the act.

@Antumul alona

well related or not, it is an unnatural act and prohibited.

How is it unnatural? If it was unnatural, animals wouldn't be doing it either.

@PyariCgudia

Its not about questioning God, when people ask these questions. Its about broadening your understanding. If people didn't ask questions like this, then it wouldn't lead mankind to research into why these practices might be harmful or wrong. Please don't encourage a close-mindedness approach to Islam. Its already got the Muslim world in a position where they need to beg for alms to feed their countrymen.

Anway, anal sex is haraam, and explicitly prohibited in the Quran. Reasoning? Has nothing to do with whether or not a female would be willing. There are lots of women who are willing, but that doesn't determine whether the act should be haraam or not.

Anal sex involves the anal canal and rectum. If you only knew what grows in that area of your body, my friend, you would wash your hands 20 times after you visit the bathroom and do a #2. So, why would you want to put your genitals in that area? It leads to various genital infections.

Oral sex, is different. Its not explicitly prohibited in the Quran, although it is discouraged by scholars, because it too can lead to medical problems. Whereas, genital-genital contact will not spread infections because your genital mucosa is adapted to the sexual contact with another person's genitals. STD's would be an exception, but then, STD's can be easily avoided by healthy and safe sexual practices. Whereas, you can't stop E.coli from being transferred from someone's anal canal to a man's penile urethra.

BTW, I remember there being an explicit ayah in the Quran, which I don't see posted here (although I might have missed it when perusing the thread). It talks specifically of avoiding anal sex. And there's really no confusion about the terms used. It clearly talks about anal sex. :)

Well put PCG! Thats what I had thought too.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

I have been trying to look it up, but I could have sworn I did read it in the Quran. It might have been a hadith, so I might be mistaken. I distinctly remember reading something that said not to enter the female from the back. You're probably right, its probably in a hadith somewhere.

According to some early tafseer on the Quran, there seems to have been some slight early disagreement on anal sex, but the vast majority of scholars have agreed that its not a halaal practice.

I think the health risks are enough incentive to avoid the practice.

[Sara516]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

@PyariCgudia

Its not about questioning God, when people ask these questions. Its about broadening your understanding. If people didn't ask questions like this, then it wouldn't lead mankind to research into why these practices might be harmful or wrong. Please don't encourage a close-mindedness approach to Islam. Its already got the Muslim world in a position where they need to beg for alms to feed their countrymen.

** Anway, anal sex is haraam, and explicitly prohibited in the Quran. Reasoning? Has nothing to do with whether or not a female would be willing. There are lots of women who are willing, but that doesn't determine whether the act should be haraam or not.

Anal sex involves the anal canal and rectum. If you only knew what grows in that area of your body, my friend, you would wash your hands 20 times after you visit the bathroom and do a #2. So, why would you want to put your genitals in that area? It leads to various genital infections. **

Oral sex, is different. Its not explicitly prohibited in the Quran, although it is discouraged by scholars, because it too can lead to medical problems. Whereas, genital-genital contact will not spread infections because your genital mucosa is adapted to the sexual contact with another person's genitals. STD's would be an exception, but then, STD's can be easily avoided by healthy and safe sexual practices. Whereas, you can't stop E.coli from being transferred from someone's anal canal to a man's penile urethra.

BTW, I remember there being an explicit ayah in the Quran, which I don't see posted here (although I might have missed it when perusing the thread). It talks specifically of avoiding anal sex. And there's really no confusion about the terms used. It clearly talks about anal sex. :)

Exactly! It's common sense that's all. It's so disgusting that it has been explicitly prohibited instead of left up to speculation.

But hey watever floats your boat

[jaanaan]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

@armughal

we r in no position to question God…

while anal sex is strictly prohinited by hadith, oral is still debated and scholars advise to stay away from it on the grounds of “its not a good thing to do” and have no real evidence against it from Quran/hadith…

Anal is a controversial issue too. it is not strictly banned. remember there are always ahadiths for/against for almost any practical matter.

[MKF]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

@jaanaan

Anal is a controversial issue too. it is not strictly banned. remember there are always ahadiths for/against for almost any practical matter.

Yup a middle of the road and a balanced approach.

Let Islam stay a religion and by our actions not convert into a cult. It is not a cult but actions of some of our religions put it into that domain

[MKF]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

who says something disgusting cannot be controversial. Slaughtering may be disgusting for a bhuddist but acceptable for a Muslim and is a controversial act for world in general. It is the way you see it. Even suppose if Islam allows it PyariCgudia, who says one should still undergo this disgusting act. Anything for which there is even a single dissident exists becomes controversial. I do not see how it can be disgusting but not controversial.

[imranjaff]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

@Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan

who says something disgusting cannot be controversial. Slaughtering may be disgusting for a bhuddist but acceptable for a Muslim and is a controversial act for world in general. It is the way you see it. Even suppose if Islam allows it PyariCgudia, who says one should still undergo this disgusting act. Anything for which there is even a single dissident exists becomes controversial. I do not see how it can be disgusting but not controversial.

Why allah has created All this Slauhted animal?simple answer is for ur meal?why do u hve a diff gender partner u need a woman in every stage as sis as mom as a daughter as a wife i dont think any difference between them because they r rafiq of each other but to say tht Allah has made girls to hide their identity its not true pahlay tu main yea kahta hoo ke mardoo ko apna hitasaab karna chiye

[MKF]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

i do not deny what you say, but i was just telling that anything can be controversial no matter how disgusting it seems to one party

[CuR10u]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

@Antumul alona

Quran’s use of Harth (tilth) or harvest is quite clear that this is the vaginal opening not the anal opening as you cannot “till” anything from the back. You can only “till” or get children from the front.

Based on the meaning of “Harth” as you explained (since i’m not knowledgeable in arabic, so i’m taking it as you said), it excludes everything else that does not get us children or not-harvestable. Oral activity also comes under that exclusion. So, i’m wondering why scholors are in doubt about oral?

[MKF]

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He has used the english translation of harth which is tilth. However Harth has alos been translated as the "bearers of your seed"

[Zgard]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

with all honesty one reason for marriage is to fullfil each others sexual needs n offcourse any thing done their is personal buisness of the couple n not the whole world .All peoples r different n just because i dont like some thing doesnt mean that it will be hate by every one.

[MKF]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

If i try to summarize about this disgusting discussion i reach to the following conclusions.

Oral sex has no direct orders in Islam, we should consider it something which is in grey area tilting towards toleration. However no forcing for it and one who feels disgusting about it should better avoid it.

Anal sex has indirect references for being forbidden, however not enough to completely declare it Haraam but not in grey area like oral. As PyariCgudia has referred its medical hazards, i think we must consider that this must be avoided. why should we do something which has even 50% chances to be disliked by Allah. I think with all the translations and Hadeeths, it can be safely said to be severely makrooh and only one step before Haraam, but as i said all Haraams are only declared by a direct order and no one exists in this case.

How many agree with the summarization?

[armughal]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

@Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan

Anal sex has indirect references for being forbidden, however not enough to completely declare it Haraam

its forbidden and declared haraam by Islamic Shariah…
hadith have explicitly delcared it haraam…

wonder why u call them indirect references???

[Iconoclast]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

I thiink this thread should be locked/deleted.

I don't understand why a thread pops out in religion section every other month on same topic. Those who want info can search or find t on google.

[MKF]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

I was only discussing the legality of declaring any thing Haram, which has not been declared explicitly haraam by Quran & Hadith. The Hadith you are referiing to according to the link i posted are Zaeef.

However I agree to your footnote mughal, it must he haram, why take a risk in believing something less than Haraam, something which obviously smells like Haram. lets not have an iota of doubt in it. It must be Haraam

[Zgard]

Re: why anal and oral are an exeption?

Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan i agree with very summary.some peoples wants to be God n want to act according to their whims n not for wut their is direct orders from God.