Why Ahmadis aren't muslim?

Bismah · September 1, 2002, 7:46pm

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bismah you did not reply the core question of Sheraz CT that "is Hazrat Muhammad(pbuh) is the last Prophet or not?
can you please answer the question as yes or no.:)
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Yes, Ahmadis ** do ** believe that Hadhrat Muhammad (s.a.w) is the ** last Law-bearing Prophet. **

pk_taz · September 1, 2002, 8:20pm

Ahmadis are kaafir because they don't believe that Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is the last prophet.

They're leader the mad dog Ghulam Mirza Qadiani (laanat-ullah alaihe) claimed to be a prophet when Allah (swt) has learly said in the Holy Quran that Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is last in the line of prophets.

I also heard some where that GMQ (laanat-ullah alaihe) bad mouthed Jesus Christ (Alayhis-salaam) and the Virgin Mary (Alayhas-salaam)

If your cousin marries this man, the nikaah wil not be valid she will be commiting adultery for the rest of her life and if she converts to Ahmadiyyat she has left the fold of Islam and has become an apostate...

She should try forgetting about the guy, loves only a psychological thing, it can be overcome, if that's not possible she should try converting him to Islam.

Allah hum sab ko seedhay rastay par chalnay ki tawfeeeq ata karey (ameen)

Bismah · September 1, 2002, 8:58pm

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*Originally posted by pk taz: *
Ahmadis are kaafir because they don't believe that Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is the last prophet.

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And you are a Muslim haaN? You got any proof of that? Actually forget it, I know what you’re gonna say “I’m a Muslim alright” and blah blah, and I’ll take your word for it because its not for me to judge a person, who calls them self a Muslim but only Allah.

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*Originally posted by pk taz: *
They're leader the mad dog Ghulam Mirza Qadiani (laanat-ullah alaihe) claimed to be a prophet when Allah (swt) has learly said in the Holy Quran that Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is last in the line of prophets.

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Now, I’m starting do doubt that you are a mulsim here , cause you don’t even know how to respect people, just because you heard it from your elders that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was a so and so, it doesn’t give you no right to abusive language haaN? Obviously you are not intelligent enough to use your own brain and find out about Ahmadiyyat, and have only the ability to be rude about other people.

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*Originally posted by pk taz: *
I also heard some where that GMQ (laanat-ullah alaihe) bad mouthed Jesus Christ (Alayhis-salaam) and the Virgin Mary (Alayhas-salaam)

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Umm, You heard, you got any evidence for the comment you made above, and you accept people to believe what you say with that attitude which you have showed above? If you call yourself such an follower of Hadhrat Muhammad (s.a.w) how come you are anware of the hadith:

** Laisul Khabru kal Mu aayana tee ** trans: ** Hearsay is not like seeing **

So, you oughta avoid believing in things you hear, because you’ll be pretty stupid if you believe everything you hear. Or do you only believe things which are anti-ahmadiyyat? Am I right?

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*Originally posted by pk taz: *
Allah hum sab ko seedhay rastay par chalnay ki tawfeeeq ata karey (ameen)

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Sub say pehlay Allah app ko tameez ki taufeeq day (ameen)

s_H_e_I_k_H · September 1, 2002, 9:22pm

"(((And Whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed his blessings, namely, the Prophet, the Truthful, the Martyrs and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these. (4:70) Surah Al-Nisa, verse 70 )))""

""(((In this verse Allah says that all those who follow Allah and His Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) will be put in one of the following categories:
1: Prophets (Nabi)
2: Truthful (Siddique)
3: Martyrs (Shaheed)
4: Righteous (Saleh) )))""

It means those who Allah has bestowed his blessings. Who Allah HAS bestowed his blessings, not will. It is past tense and refers to how Allah has bestowed his blessings on THE prophet and the other three.
Now from this how can one conclude that there is existence of another prophet.
And you say that those who bestow Allah can be put into categories such as Prophet etc. You have misread it. Firstly it is past tense. Allah says those that follow Allah will be blessed LIKE THE Prophet. So i don't understand how you came to your conclusion.

A genuine question......I have heard there is a divide in the beliefs of the Ahmadis and that there are two types. I have heard the original Mirza Ghulam bunch believed Mirza to be a prophet and as that is in direct contradiction to Islam. There are certain actions that take one out of the fold of Islam and rejecting Muhammad(saw) as the last Prophet is one of those actions.
Now to my question.....i have heard of a divide between those that believe Mirza to be a prophet and the other who believe he is not a prophet but is simply Isa and Mahdi. Can you elaborate on that....
And Iqbal out of curiousity does one who believes that Mirza is either Isa or Mahdi or both out of the fold of Islam based on the fact that he believes Muhammad(saw) to be the final Prophet.

Iqbal1089 · September 1, 2002, 9:24pm

You can’t escape the fact that the verse is talking about companionship (see end of verse) and being “with” those companions. The purpose of this verse is to give hope to believers who feel insecure about their level of good deeds and righteousness, they are reassured that so long as they stick to obedience they will be granted the company of such people as the Prophets and Martyrs. The reason for this verse’s revelation also helps to clarify this:

Aisha (r) relates that a man came to the Prophet (s) and said: “O Messenger of Allah, indeed you are more beloved to me than my own self, indeed more beloved to me than my family and more than my own son. I was in my house and i remembered you, so i remained patient until i came to you and looked at you. When i pondered over my death and your death, i came to realise that indeed when you enter Paradise you will be among the Prophets, whilst i, if i were to enter Paradise, i fear that i would not see you.” So the Prophet (s) did not give him a reply until Gibrail descended with the verse: “And whosoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, they will be in the company of those upon whom Allah has bestowed His grace, of the Prophets, the truthful, the martyrs, the righteous, and how excellent these companions are.”

The hadith is recorded by at-Tabarani (d.360H) in his Mu’jam al-Awsat (1:29:1-2) and Mu’jam as-Saghir (p.12), also Tafsir at-Tabari (5:104) and Tafsir ibn Kathir (1/p.535). It is also related through the Companion Abdullah ibn Abbas.

The narration was proven authentic by Hafidh al-Haythami (d.807H) in Majma az-Zawa’id (7:7) and by Muhadith al-Albani (d.1421H) in Silsilah as-Sahihah (#2933).

In his commentary on 4:69, ibn Kathir (d.774H) writes: “Namely, whoever acts according to what Allah has ordered and His Messenger and abandons whatever Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, then surely Allah the Sublime will cause him to reside in the Home of Honour (Paradise) and grant him the companionship of the Prophets…” (Tafsir ibn Kathir 1/p.534)

Likewise, al-Qurtubi (d.671H) wrote in his Tafsir: “Namely, they are with them in one home and one blessing (i.e. Paradise), seeing them and being in their presence.”

As-Suyuti (d.911H) wrote in Tafsir Jalalayn whilst commenting on the words 'how excellent these companions are’: “Companionship in Paradise, since they will be with them there; seeing them, visiting them and being in their presence.”

And Allah knows best.

Iqbal

s_H_e_I_k_H · September 1, 2002, 9:33pm

And Lahore Maharani.....I understand that this must be a very tough time for you as your friend seems to be suffering but i think you should look at the big picture and then assess the situation.

Read my whole post before passing judgement.

As Muslims we need to understand what our objective is in life and do things based on that. Life is a test and Allah will show that and give us difficult decisions in life, very much like you and you frined have to make right now.

If you want advice, Convince your friend to leave it as it is better to suffer in this life than to suffer in the hereafter. This life is just a test. Our Rasul said the Muslim should treat life as if a traveller, so in other words treat life as temporary as that is what life is. Life as the Kafir say is short and it is upto us to do the best we can in this life so we don't suffer in the hereafter. We will face many tests and hardship but that is the test for the believer.

If you are a true friend you would realise that by marrying the man if he is not Muslim she will ive a life of sin and her marriage won't be legitimate in Islam so essentially her relations with him will be Zina. Throughout she will incure sin by being with the man. So if you are a true frined then you will convince her to leave because trust me on the Day of Judgement she will thank you for rescuing her from the Hellfire.

I know you probably didn't want the whole Islamic view but it is important to know why it is that we are on this Earth and i understand it must be hard to see your friend suffer but trust me it will be that much harder if you have to sit back and watch her burn knowing that you could have stopped it. Life isn't as simple as some think. It has a maxat and we should live according to that maxat. If you are a friend then you will know what to do.

I myself would much rather lose someone i love on Earth than to burn for eternity in Hellfire. It depends whether you want to see you friend happy in this life which won't happen anyway due to family. So it's upto ypu whether you want to see your friend marry the man and spend a life in Hell in the hereafter.
Or you have the chance to let her suffer in this life but save her in the hereafter.

I know which i would choose. It is upto you what you choose.

Wasalam.

PakistaniAbroad · September 1, 2002, 11:27pm

I really don't know if posting your question here would help.. there would be a lot of mudslinging and abusive language hurled at each other while your original query remains unclear, not to mention the moderators would let it fly cuz 'respect for each other's beliefs' means respect for only their personal ones.

The society in Pakistan has made up their mind. the majority has ostracized the smaller group.. had Ahmedi's been in the majority, the sunnis would be declared non muslims for not "recognizing" the Messiah and not 'following him'..

so you see, it's who judges who on the basis of the majority belief system. Majority prevals, not necessarily the absolute truth.

If your cousin and his bf are religious, then it does make a difference and your question is important.. I have a hunch they aren't so the discussion becomes moot and it now becomes more of a social matter than a religious one.