Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim


there are others ways in life, the narrow minded people who gave a bad name to islam, are not the modern open minded young muslims of today!
ther are peacefull ways to be muslims , learning tolerance and open mindness is a first step, and really i see around me a lot of fellow muslims embracing this path!
but we are a quit community, we live peacefull lives among westerners, and we don't make headlines of newspapers because we do not plunder, rape, burn, kill, etc...

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My original question was " where do u see Hinduism ask for a Jihad against the non believers"
oh god we really need to spoon feed u
whereas the statements u came up with sum upto " even hinduism asks hindus to fight injustice"


... forget it

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hareem01, explain who are non-believers. are they non-muslims?. answer this, this will help to understand.

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<1> this from a guy who on this very post said all the references he used were authentic and studied to the minutest details? wow some turn around!!!

All humbug many of my closest frez are muslim, i dont think they r terrorists at all... but the question still stays...why do muslims get such a bad name?

Lemme tell u a true incident... My bro lives next door to a muslim during the communal riots they sheltered in my bro's place (no big deal, i agree, the muslim family would have done the same for him) but few years after the riots this same muslim chap came to my bro's home wid his 3 yr old son, pionted out to a photo of lord shiva and told his kid "yeh shaitaan hai" !!! will u believe the nerve of this guy!!! my bro kicked him out and they have not been on talking terms since

what can u expect?

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Unbelievable.

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You are not talking to a scholar trained in preaching and debating religion. What else can one expect?

It was irresponsible of the part of that Muslim.

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What I clearly understand is that Islamic states are not tolerant. They go to west and expect to introduce Shariah Law , the burqa , the veil and have freedom of expression. Yet try living like a catholic and building a church in Saudia Arabia.

If a muslim chooses to convert to another path I support their free will as long as they do not take up arms to kill, rampaage, plunder and rape .

As for condeming me for not understanding I thank you for a such high compliment as it obviously means I am not twisted mentality by religious dogma and do not kill for Allah. :) :) :) I guess its clear my heart is better than yours and my mind more enlightened than yours. And I say this with great deal of modesty and humility for my parents ensured i should never shun the mentally challenged or the words of one is who intellectually vacuos such as yourself . As long as I and many of my friends like myself express perhaps one like you may just become a better human of this planet and tolerant in wisdom and action.

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I dont think Lahore 981 can even think of a reply to this post.

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:Salute:

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TG try to explain everyone with the context. You dont become a super hero by doing that. I can also give the reference and comments passed by those great leader. What I mean is just like you I have looked into a website and brought the stuff.
I dont know but if you want to get really personal that regarding this I am sorry.
I do agree you have a half baked knowledge, but why do quarrel for each factor. Your just a kid TG, world is not what you have seen come out of it.
As of now I live in Dubai, I have done my MBA I have lots of pakistani friends and Indians. Its only in places like India and Pakistan where this hatred is fed into.
You live in a cosmopolitan ambience and you will know, its just horses sense.
Go read entirely what I have written.
Now you tell me reference, I still can give you references from where I picked it up
But wanted to taste your own medicine. Because i dont wont that hatred in you anymore. I can give you the references, buddy but I agreed infact I am defeated because hatred in you was at an alarming rate.
Anyways I hope atleast ssingh understood what I meant.
I have infact thanked you, for providing me with some facts I was in ingnorance.
I am extremely sorry sorry if i have hurt your feeling. I am sorry again.

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Just a warning, you will not receive an independent analytical response from Hareem01 . It is same as asking a cleric and with the same admonition for even thinking to ask instead of simply believing what is indoctrinated. If you believe this is Allah's will, hmmmmmmmm

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Well that is true. So what ?

[quote]
"Hinduism, as a faith, is vague, amorphous, many-sided, all
things to all men. It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to
say definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usual sense
of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, it
embraces many beliefs and practices, from the highest to the
lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other." (Pandit
Nehru was the first Prime Minister of independent India during
1947-64).
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True. So ?

[quote]
"Hinduism does not rest on the authority of one book or one
prophet, nor does it possess a common creed - like the
Kalma [sic.] of Islam - acceptable to all. That renders a
common definition of Hinduism a bit difficult." (Mahatma
Gandhi is known as the Father of the Nation, India).

[/quote]
Actually, thats just a comment and not a criticism of Hinduism.

Mahatma Ganhi was a staunch Ram devotee and an avid Bhagawad Gita reader.
His call for "Ram Rajya" in India was one of the reaons that led Jinnah to leave the INC and demand Pakistan.

[quote]
"Frankly speaking, it is not possible to say definitely who is a
Hindu and what is Hinduism. These questions have been
considered again and again by eminent scholars, and so far
no satisfactory answer has been given. Hinduism has within
itself all types of religions such as theism, atheism,
polytheism, Adwitism, Dwaitism, Saivism, Vaishnavism, and
so forth. (emphasis added). It contains nature worship,
ancestor worship, animal worship, idol worship, demon
worship, symbol worship, self worship, and the highest god
worship. Its conflicting philosophies will confound any ordinary
person. From barbarious practices and dark superstitions, up
to the most mystic rites and sublime philosophies, there is
place for all gradations and varieties in Hinduism. Similarly,
among the Hindu population are found half barbarian wild
tribes, and depressed classes and untouchables, along with
small numbers of cultured, gentle natures and highly evolved
souls."
[/quote]
Thats a mere comment on Hinduism's diversity. There is NOT a single word of criticism.

[quote]
"Hinduism defies definition... It has no specific creed."
[/quote]
Thats true. So should we convert to Islam ?

[quote]
Sir Alfred Lyll as quoted in Modern Hinduism by Wilkins,
London, 1975, p. 310.

"... the religion of the non-Mohamedan [2] population of India
is a tangled jungle of disorderly superstitions, ghosts and
demons, demi-gods, and deified saints, household gods, local
gods, tribal gals, universal gods, with their countless shrines
and temples, and the din of their discordant rites; deities who
abhor a fly's death; those who still delight in human
sacrifices."
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Who is Sir Alfred Lyll ? Never heard of this person.

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P. Thomas, Hindu Religion, Customs and Manners, p.21.

"Hinduism is not a religion established by a single person. It
is a growth of ideas, rituals and beliefs so comprehensive as
to include anything between atheism and pantheism.
(emphasis added). Having grown out of the practices and
speculations of various communities that were admitted into
the Hindu fold at different times, Hinduism, as it stands at
present, has very few set of dogmas. A formal recognition of
the Vedas as revealed wisdom is all that is required for a
Hindu to be known as such. But the latitude permitted in
interpreting the Vedas is so wide that the atheistic Sankhya
philosophy of Kapila and the polytheism of the Puranas are
both recognized as Orthodox."

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Well I think thats a very good analysis of Hinduism, although P. Thomas is also unknown.

[quote]

Percival Spear, India: A Modern History, Michigan, 1961,
p.40.

"The more Hinduism is considered, the more difficult it
becomes to define it in a single phrase... A Hindu may have
any religious belief or none; he may be an atheist or an
agnostic and still be an accepted Hindu... It is public opinion
working through the caste system which determines whether
someone shall or shall not be regarded as a Hindu."
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No definition....no definition.....like cant we see a pattern here ?

[quote]
The Economist, June 8, 1991, p. 22, col. l.

"Hinduism is far more unstructured than most other religions.
It has no archbishops, chief rabbis, grand muftis. Each Hindu
decides for himself which manifestations of God are most
important to him, what scriptures to accept as authentic,
which holy man to follow. The one ineluctable certainty is a
person's dharma."
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Very true. Actually I like the last sentence "The one ineluctable certainty is a person's dharma".

About Ambedkar's comments, they are expected coz he was a known anti-Hindu. He converted out to Buddhism.

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getting emotional wasim......you know wasim, there are serious contradictions in hinduism. there are many sects. vedas and upanishads are monotheistic in nature whereas puranas are polytheistic. remember truepakistani...we boldly answered him. Even before you came there was one more fellow, his own friends bashed him (due to some other reason), since then he hasn't come. but still i believe and will believe that hindu philosophy can guide a man effectively towards god or salvation or nirvana or moksha without finding fault in its both polytheistic and monothestic aspects.

since this thread is about "hindus converting to islam" and started by a muslim, you should have expected 'tough questions' which would cover each and every aspect of islam, isn't it?. Besides, TG has said that he doesn't hate anyone whether it is hindus or muslims

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Basically i am not able to percieve, that Hindus have hatred towards muslims to such level. ssing you know very much I have been in India, but I am shocked.
Basically i do agree with tough questions, i can go ahead and get personal but I dont wont him to start hating Muslims again. I do agree that his family was prosecuted, I told him i was ingnorant. True he gave me a sleepless night, I am ashamed because Muslims did that ssingh. I dont wont him to start hating us more.
Because this will be a chain of events from TG, to his friends and others.
I am emotional today because, I was ignorant, and if something happened to his family because of few Muslims. I have to possess a cognizance about this matter. and I am hurt for that.
Because there is an Authentic Hadeeth of Prophet only one part of it,
There will be few martyrs, who say they have died for the cause of Allaah, but still will go to hell. This is because of show off, and so that people later wanted to eulogise them.

This is my only concern, for the sake of Allaah for the sake of God, you can fight against tyranny, oppression then I am with it. But if they have killed or prosecuted any human, for other reasons then being a Muslim its a challenge for us to reform ourselves.
One more thing ssingh,
Quran says,
If you killed one human, its like killing the whole of human kind.
The above Quranic verse is supported with the hadith.I dont exactly remember i should putting across anytime.
Anyways buddy, busy withwork now.

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^arey yaar....anyway, be happy and as you said let truth only truimph and false fall on its own as it is in its own nature bound to fall.

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When did i say "hinduism ask for a jihad against non believers"?
I dont see in the Gita and I don't see in the Quran....

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Non believers:who don't believe in one God,they set partenrs unto Allah,worship others,worship or give thier all love to others{gods,men,animals,money,idols,prophets,etc}....also follow thier own desires.

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so tell me how can i become a better human of this planet?

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What you do understand is “nothing”. You simply hear too much on the media and just believe in it. I don’t know of any Muslim Movement or Country who want to “Implement” Shariah in Western countries? Can you please elaborate on your point?

Your own “will” is not applicable or had anything to do with Islamic law, does it. If you respect other faiths (Including Islam) as you are claiming here and generalizing and declaring all Muslims wrong, you should demonstarte that your own will has got nothing to do with Islamic Law.

Let me ask you. If a Hindu commits a crime in India, would you deal with him according to Islamic Law of the “will” of a Muslim’s thinking?

Why double standards and disrespect for other faiths???

How does that relate you rour reply? On one side you are talking about apostacy and then you are writting this sentence which is altogether different?

One who is clearly saying “I am better than you”. I have never seen such a blind person in my life. Everybody reading your comment will consider you to be a twisted mentality. :hoonh:

You are definitly a girl. :smiley:
You seem to be replying at a personal level for a conflicting idea, declaring the other person mentally incompetent.

Read a little more about Islam with a heart of understanding it’s logic and reasoning. You’ll realize where do you stand…

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If you have a illusion of this kind about Muslims (which is absolutely wrong) you should read about the crimes Hindus committed against humanity since long, you should read about what Christians have done in the name of Church. Don't push me to show others how "knowledgeable" you are while expressing your thoughts on this forum.

To be very specific, read about Catholic Inquisition in europe and Spanish Inquisition in Spain. Then come back and talk to me about who is a terrorist.

Don't go far, you should be ashamed of yourself while disregarding the crimes that are being committed against Muslims by the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yopu should know about the criminal terrorist of Middle east, the illegitimate state of Israel who is commiting crimes against Muslims. (Be careful, before you start expressing your views about the right to exist for Israel, sinc you are too young to understand the historical and political background of this conflict)

Look are Kashmir where Indian, Hindu soldiers are raping, killing and murdering Muslims. You should be ashamed of declaring you to be a person better than others and having a heart so clear than me.

What do you think about 1947 and the crimes you commited by killing the migrating Muslims into Pakistan. Is that perfect too according to "YOUR" verdict and understanding.

What has Hinduism done to "Jains" and how Hindus have tried to uproot other faiths in History. How they have treated "Avarnas" (Shudras)

What about Chechneya?

What about the cleansing of Local Indians in America to establish a fee state?

So much more and you only see Muslims with such attitudes? This tells me how sound of a mind are you. And how knowledgeable are you about what you say.....

Great :D