Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Well done hareem01
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Why should a Hindu Become a Muslim?
Simple answers are below, and this is told by eminent figures. andnot BQSS.
FAMOUS HINDUS AND SCHOLARS ON HINDUISM
Dr. Radhakrishnan, ex-President of India and an eminent
interpreter of Hinduism, as quoted in India: An Introduction by
Khushwant Singh, New Delhi, 1990.
[Hinduism is] "... a name without any content... Its content, if
any, has altered from age to age, from community to
community. It meant one thing in the Vedic period, another in
the Brahmanical, a third in the Buddhist [1] - one to Saivite,
another to Vaishnavite and Sakta." (Dr. Radhakrishnan was
the first President of independent India).
Jawaharlal Nehru, The Discovery of India, New Delhi, 1983,
p.75.
"Hinduism, as a faith, is vague, amorphous, many-sided, all
things to all men. It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to
say definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usual sense
of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, it
embraces many beliefs and practices, from the highest to the
lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other." (Pandit
Nehru was the first Prime Minister of independent India during
1947-64).
M.K Gandhi, Hindu Dharma, New Delhi, 1991, p. 120.
"Hinduism does not rest on the authority of one book or one
prophet, nor does it possess a common creed - like the
Kalma [sic.] of Islam - acceptable to all. That renders a
common definition of Hinduism a bit difficult." (Mahatma
Gandhi is known as the Father of the Nation, India).
Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, What Congress and Gandhi have done to
Untouchables?
"Hinduism is a veritable chamber of horrors. The sanctity and
infallibility of the Vedas, Smritis and Shastras, the iron law of
caste, the heartless law of karma and the senseless law of
status by birth are to the Untouchables veritable instruments
of torture which Hinduism has forged against untouchables.
These very instruments which have mutilated; blasted and
blighted the lives of the Untouchables are to be found intact
and untarnished in the bosom of Gandhism." (Dr. B. R.
Ambedkar was the first Law Minister of independent India. He
was the head of the committee that drafted the constitution of
India, and he is known as the Father of Indian
Constitution.).
Swami Dharma Theertha, History of Hindu Imperialism,
Madras, 1992, p. 178.
"Frankly speaking, it is not possible to say definitely who is a
Hindu and what is Hinduism. These questions have been
considered again and again by eminent scholars, and so far
no satisfactory answer has been given. Hinduism has within
itself all types of religions such as theism, atheism,
polytheism, Adwitism, Dwaitism, Saivism, Vaishnavism, and
so forth. (emphasis added). It contains nature worship,
ancestor worship, animal worship, idol worship, demon
worship, symbol worship, self worship, and the highest god
worship. Its conflicting philosophies will confound any ordinary
person. From barbarious practices and dark superstitions, up
to the most mystic rites and sublime philosophies, there is
place for all gradations and varieties in Hinduism. Similarly,
among the Hindu population are found half barbarian wild
tribes, and depressed classes and untouchables, along with
small numbers of cultured, gentle natures and highly evolved
souls."
Khushwant Singh, India: An Introduction, New Delhi, 1990, p.
19.
"Hinduism defies definition... It has no specific creed."
Ardersir Sorabjee as quoted in Swami Dharma Theertha,
History of Hindu Imperialism, Madras, 1992, p. 178.
"Their (Hindus') religion is a standing travesty of ancient
Hinduism, consisting as it does of rank idolatry mixed with
superstition and fetishism of the most degrading type. They
believe in the worship of their innumerable devas or good
spirits and the propitiation of an equally large number of
demons and evil spirits, both of which they assume have their
resting places on earth in their idols of stone and marble, gold
and silver."
Sir Alfred Lyll as quoted in Modern Hinduism by Wilkins,
London, 1975, p. 310.
"... the religion of the non-Mohamedan [2] population of India
is a tangled jungle of disorderly superstitions, ghosts and
demons, demi-gods, and deified saints, household gods, local
gods, tribal gals, universal gods, with their countless shrines
and temples, and the din of their discordant rites; deities who
abhor a fly's death; those who still delight in human
sacrifices."
P. Thomas, Hindu Religion, Customs and Manners, p.21.
"Hinduism is not a religion established by a single person. It
is a growth of ideas, rituals and beliefs so comprehensive as
to include anything between atheism and pantheism.
(emphasis added). Having grown out of the practices and
speculations of various communities that were admitted into
the Hindu fold at different times, Hinduism, as it stands at
present, has very few set of dogmas. A formal recognition of
the Vedas as revealed wisdom is all that is required for a
Hindu to be known as such. But the latitude permitted in
interpreting the Vedas is so wide that the atheistic Sankhya
philosophy of Kapila and the polytheism of the Puranas are
both recognized as Orthodox."
Percival Spear, India: A Modern History, Michigan, 1961,
p.40.
"The more Hinduism is considered, the more difficult it
becomes to define it in a single phrase... A Hindu may have
any religious belief or none; he may be an atheist or an
agnostic and still be an accepted Hindu... It is public opinion
working through the caste system which determines whether
someone shall or shall not be regarded as a Hindu."
The Economist, June 8, 1991, p. 22, col. l.
"Hinduism is far more unstructured than most other religions.
It has no archbishops, chief rabbis, grand muftis. Each Hindu
decides for himself which manifestations of God are most
important to him, what scriptures to accept as authentic,
which holy man to follow. The one ineluctable certainty is a
person's dharma."
[1] Buddhism founded by Gautoma Buddha is a religion
different from Hinduism but the Brahmans made Buddha an
incarnation of Hindu god Vishnu in order to make Buddhism a
part of Hinduism.
[2] There is no such thing as 'Mohamedan.' The name of the
religion is Islam and its followers are Muslims.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
brother yo-wasim:jazak:
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Hareem01 believe and all the brothers and sister, I had no such intention to put this across, I had all the resources, but tommygun is getting personal and trying to sabotage. Thats ok if he can do it by reference where I am asking him, I am ready to pay.
I feel bad,by doing this, I am here to clear misconceptions not to fight.
But he is a fanatic, and they are more logical. Which is the conception of arrogant people.
I can answer him I have got all the answers, in the word file, where is he contradicting and what he is upto.But i dont wont to put it across now. I feel he hasnt still reached the alarming level. Let him, get that and he will know.
My brother tommygun, I am unlike you i dont have those feeling, I am a Bangalorean an Indian my father was attacked by Hindus, by the BJP do you mean to say I should hate you individual guys. Where 90 percent of my friends are Hindus.
I feel bad, but cant help we are the best of mankind, Hareem01.
Its our job. Prophet was harmed, in Taif, got abused but he still conveyed the message.
Its the same we will do Inshallaah.
Why do you think, i dont wont to send the link. Simple, he gets so much of references from Historical Websites.
Cant he find a website . By just typing Islam in Google.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Simple answers are below, and this is told by eminent figures. andnot BQSS.
FAMOUS HINDUS AND SCHOLARS ON HINDUISM
Dr. Radhakrishnan, ex-President of India and an eminent interpreter of Hinduism, as quoted in India: An Introduction by Khushwant Singh, New Delhi, 1990.
[Hinduism is] "... a name without any content... Its content, if any, has altered from age to age, from community to community. It meant one thing in the Vedic period, another in the Brahmanical, a third in the Buddhist [1] - one to Saivite, another to Vaishnavite and Sakta." (Dr. Radhakrishnan was the first President of independent India).
Jawaharlal Nehru, The Discovery of India, New Delhi, 1983, p.75.
"Hinduism, as a faith, is vague, amorphous, many-sided, all things to all men. It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usual sense of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, it embraces many beliefs and practices, from the highest to the lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other." (Pandit Nehru was the first Prime Minister of independent India during 1947-64).
M.K Gandhi, Hindu Dharma, New Delhi, 1991, p. 120.
"Hinduism does not rest on the authority of one book or one prophet, nor does it possess a common creed - like the Kalma [sic.] of Islam - acceptable to all. That renders a common definition of Hinduism a bit difficult." (Mahatma Gandhi is known as the Father of the Nation, India).
Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, What Congress and Gandhi have done to Untouchables?
"Hinduism is a veritable chamber of horrors. The sanctity and infallibility of the Vedas, Smritis and Shastras, the iron law of caste, the heartless law of karma and the senseless law of status by birth are to the Untouchables veritable instruments of torture which Hinduism has forged against untouchables. These very instruments which have mutilated; blasted and blighted the lives of the Untouchables are to be found intact and untarnished in the bosom of Gandhism." (Dr. B. R. Ambedkar was the first Law Minister of independent India. He was the head of the committee that drafted the constitution of India, and he is known as the Father of Indian Constitution.).
Swami Dharma Theertha, History of Hindu Imperialism, Madras, 1992, p. 178.
"Frankly speaking, it is not possible to say definitely who is a Hindu and what is Hinduism. These questions have been considered again and again by eminent scholars, and so far no satisfactory answer has been given. Hinduism has within itself all types of religions such as theism, atheism, polytheism, Adwitism, Dwaitism, Saivism, Vaishnavism, and so forth. (emphasis added). It contains nature worship, ancestor worship, animal worship, idol worship, demon worship, symbol worship, self worship, and the highest god worship. Its conflicting philosophies will confound any ordinary person. From barbarious practices and dark superstitions, up to the most mystic rites and sublime philosophies, there is place for all gradations and varieties in Hinduism. Similarly, among the Hindu population are found half barbarian wild tribes, and depressed classes and untouchables, along with small numbers of cultured, gentle natures and highly evolved souls."
Khushwant Singh, India: An Introduction, New Delhi, 1990, p. 19.
"Hinduism defies definition... It has no specific creed."
Ardersir Sorabjee as quoted in Swami Dharma Theertha, History of Hindu Imperialism, Madras, 1992, p. 178.
"Their (Hindus') religion is a standing travesty of ancient Hinduism, consisting as it does of rank idolatry mixed with superstition and fetishism of the most degrading type. They believe in the worship of their innumerable devas or good spirits and the propitiation of an equally large number of demons and evil spirits, both of which they assume have their resting places on earth in their idols of stone and marble, gold and silver."
Sir Alfred Lyll as quoted in Modern Hinduism by Wilkins, London, 1975, p. 310.
"... the religion of the non-Mohamedan [2] population of India is a tangled jungle of disorderly superstitions, ghosts and demons, demi-gods, and deified saints, household gods, local gods, tribal gals, universal gods, with their countless shrines and temples, and the din of their discordant rites; deities who abhor a fly's death; those who still delight in human sacrifices."
P. Thomas, Hindu Religion, Customs and Manners, p.21.
"Hinduism is not a religion established by a single person. It is a growth of ideas, rituals and beliefs so comprehensive as to include anything between atheism and pantheism. (emphasis added). Having grown out of the practices and speculations of various communities that were admitted into the Hindu fold at different times, Hinduism, as it stands at present, has very few set of dogmas. A formal recognition of the Vedas as revealed wisdom is all that is required for a Hindu to be known as such. But the latitude permitted in interpreting the Vedas is so wide that the atheistic Sankhya philosophy of Kapila and the polytheism of the Puranas are both recognized as Orthodox."
Percival Spear, India: A Modern History, Michigan, 1961, p.40.
"The more Hinduism is considered, the more difficult it becomes to define it in a single phrase... A Hindu may have any religious belief or none; he may be an atheist or an agnostic and still be an accepted Hindu... It is public opinion working through the caste system which determines whether someone shall or shall not be regarded as a Hindu."
The Economist, June 8, 1991, p. 22, col. l.
"Hinduism is far more unstructured than most other religions. It has no archbishops, chief rabbis, grand muftis. Each Hindu decides for himself which manifestations of God are most important to him, what scriptures to accept as authentic, which holy man to follow. The one ineluctable certainty is a person's dharma."
[1] Buddhism founded by Gautoma Buddha is a religion different from Hinduism but the Brahmans made Buddha an incarnation of Hindu god Vishnu in order to make Buddhism a part of Hinduism.
[2] There is no such thing as 'Mohamedan.' The name of the religion is Islam and its followers are Muslims.
The question was "Why should a Hindu Become a Muslim?"
And is that the answer you can come up with? Please confirm!!
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
And is that the answer you can come up with? Please confirm!!
Please confirm and tell me.
You want answers for this thread, from Quran, Hadith, History, Websites which are not authentically proven.
Tell me phir lock kar diya jaye.
Because I can see the contradiction.
Someone wants the Qurans applications and later says I dont wont BQSS.
I will answer, more of it.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
The entire verse is as follows :
Unsatisfied, with speech devoid of vigour, scanty and frivolous and inconclusive,
Wherefore do they address thee here, O Agni? Let these who have no weapons suffer sorrow.
In Sanskrit, one word for “means”, “weapons” or ability is the same.
So, “weapons” here means the means to address the Fire God and not arms.
This prayer is probably found in all religions. Vice such as alcohol, gambling, thoughtlessness are advised to be kept away from.
As Brahmans, sitting round the brimful vessel, talk at the Soma-rite of Atiratra,
So, Frogs, ye gather round the pool to honour this day of all the year, the first of Rain-time. Rig-veda, 7,103,7.
This is a description of frogs who gather around when rains come.
Conquer those who worship not does not mean slaying or killing. If you win the hearts of dieties, you will “win over” those who are non-worshippers.
Here are the entire verses :
14 I glorify with song, for wealth, Agni the God, the first of you.
We honour as a well-loved Friend the God who prospereth our fields.
15 As in all frays the hero, so swift moves his car whom Gods attend.
The man who, sacrificing, strives to win the heart of Deities will conquer those who worship not.
16 Ne’er are ye injured, worshipper, presser of juice, or pious man.
The man who, sacrificing, strives to win the heart of Deities will conquer those who worship not.
17 None in his action equals him, none holds him far or keeps him off.
The man who, sacrificing, strives to win the heart of Deities will conquer those who worship not.
18 Such strength of heroes shall be his, such mastery of fleet-foot steeds.
The man who, sacrificing, strives to win the heart of Deities will conquer those who worship not.
Worthy to be revered, O Agni, God, preserve our wealthy patrons with thy succours, and ourselves.
Guard of our seed art thou, aiding our cows to bear, incessantly protecting in thy holy way.
Agni, thou art a guard close to the pious man; kindled art thou, four-eyed! for him who is unarmed.
With fond heart thou acceptest e’en the poor man’s prayer, when he hath brought his gift to gain security.
Indra, Agni were as worshipped gods. These hymns describe Indra’s victories over the Dasyus, or Asuras (meaning demons). Today, Dasas means slaves, but the Rig-Veda (composed about 2500 to 1500 BC), refers to Asuras and Dasas interchangeably.
I know from which site you got all this from so I shall be quoting from that site further. The authors from geocities site have copied all the material from a site and shamelessly declared as free to distribute in the end. They are not the original authors.
This is the site from where they have copied everything word to word:
http://www.san.beck.org/EC6-Vedas.html
The author of the article is Beck, and those are her views.
Now about the “violence-filled” verses of lord Indra and Agni (fire god), those are her interpretations/opinions. Agni is the fire-god and Indra is the god of gods, and they have been personified in many ways.
Indra has been depicted killing scores of Dasas and Dasyus etc.
Here are some views on it :
Religious Hindu authors like Sri Aurobindo believe that words like Dasa are used in the Rig Veda symbolically and should be interpreted spiritually, and that Dasa does not refer to human beings, but rather to demons who hinder the spiritual attainment of the mystic.
Many Dasas are purely mythical and can only refer to demons. There is for example a Dasa called Urana with 99 arms (RV II.14.4), and a Dasa with six eyes and three heads in the Rig Veda.
According to Aurobindo (The Secret of the Veda), RV 5.14.4 is a key for understanding the character of the Dasyus:
agnir jato arochate, ghnan dasyun jyotisa tamah,
avindad ga apah svah
Translation :
Agni shone bright when born, with light killing the Dasyus and the dark
He found the Kine, the Floods, the Sun].
** Aurobindo explains that in this verse the struggle between light and darkness, truth and falsehood, divine and undivine is described. It is through the shining light created by Agni, god of fire, that the Dasyus, who are identified with the darkness, are slain. The Dasyus are also described in the Rig Veda as intercepting and withholding the Cows, the Waters and Swar (**“heavenly world”; RV 5.34.9; 8.68.9). It is not difficult, of course, to find very similar metaphors, equating political or military opponents with evil and darkness, even in contemporary propaganda.
(The Secret of the Veda, p. 220-21) commented that in the RV III.34 hymn, where the word Arya varna occurs, Indra is described as the increaser of the thoughts of his followers: "the shining hue of these thoughts, sukram varnam asam, is evidently the same as that sukra or sveta Aryan hue which is mentioned in verse 9. Indra carries forward or increases the “colour” of these thoughts beyond the opposition of the Panis, pra varnam atiracchukram; in doing so he slays the Dasyus and protects or fosters and increases the Aryan “colour”, hatvi dasyun pra aryam varnam avat." Thus, Aurobindo sees the Arya color or lustre of the thoughts that Indra increases as psychological.
Also Iyengar (1914) commented on such interpretations: “The only other trace of racial reference in the Vedic hymns is the occurrence of two words, one krishna in seven passages and the other asikini in two passages. In all the passages, the words have been interpreted as referring to black clouds, a demon whose name was Krishna, or the powers of darkness.” (6-7, Iyengar, Srinivas. 1914.)
In the Rig Veda, Dasa, Dasyu and similar terms (e.g. Pani) occur sometimes in conjunction with the terms krsna (“black”) or asikni (“black”). This was often the basis for a “racial” interpretation of the Vedic texts. But Sanskrit is a language that uses many metaphors. The word cow for example can mean Mother Earth, sunshine, wealth, language, Aum etc. Words like “black” have similary many different meanings in Sanskrit, as it is in fact the case in most languages. Thus "black" has many symbolical, mythological, psychological and other uses that are simply unrelated to human appearance.
"while it would be easy to assume reference to skin colour, this would go against the spirit of the hymns: for Vedic poets, black always signifies evil, and any other meaning would be secondary in these contexts". The rigvedic commentator Sayana explains the word tvacam krsna (RV 1.130.8) as referring to an asura (demon) called Krsna whose skin was torn apart by Indra. Koenraad Elst (1999) writes: "And when Usha, the dawn, is said to chase the “dark skin” or “the black monster” away, it obviously refers to the cover of nightly darkness over the surface of the earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasa
The source is wikipedia, but in all these explanations, they have given quotations of renowned scholars and their references.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Lock hi kar dena chahiye because the discussion wont reach anywhere.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Dear Quranic experts,
Just preach islam, dont start a propaganda to convert someone.
I must say that there must be something in Hinduism which keeps their country united, has survived 5000 years, respected by all religions, Hindus respected more by Islamic countries vis a vis muslims.
Let it run parallel, whas the problem ? If our prophet couldnt convince them, how the hell you feel, you are capable enough to do that.
May be a pakistani will be the last one to convince an indian to convert.
I hope you understand.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Sister, I see u have done a lot of "research" copy and paste, copy and paste, copy and paste...phew that must be tiring...
Also once agin u dodge the question,
My original question was " where do u see Hinduism ask for a Jihad against the non believers" NOT " where do u see hindus ask for jihad against injustice"
Of course Hinduism asks us to fight injustice, that's what the Bhagwad Gita is all about...so what new detail are u quoting hers
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
"jihad means fight against injustice or oppression".....
So you are saying that they're not fighting against injustice in Bhagawad Gita.
How'll you fight injustice?
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Just preach islam, dont start a propaganda to convert someone.
I must say that there must be something in Hinduism which keeps their country united, has survived 5000 years, respected by all religions, Hindus respected more by Islamic countries vis a vis muslims.
Let it run parallel, whas the problem ? If our prophet couldnt convince them, how the hell you feel, you are capable enough to do that.
May be a pakistani will be the last one to convince an indian to convert.
I hope you understand.
We are not converting someone nor we can....
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Just preach islam, dont start a propaganda to convert someone.
I must say that there must be something in Hinduism which keeps their country united, has survived 5000 years, respected by all religions, Hindus respected more by Islamic countries vis a vis muslims.
Let it run parallel, whas the problem ? If our prophet couldnt convince them, how the hell you feel, you are capable enough to do that.
May be a pakistani will be the last one to convince an indian to convert.
I hope you understand.
Only if all the muslims were like you, I wont have any problem whatsoever in converting to Islam, not that I need a religion to live happily in this world.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
correct....
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Hah hah hah the sanskrit experts have spoken again…
3 things…
1>Dusyus means ones who come from darkness ie. evil not those who are dark skinned
the sanskrit word for people of southern ethnicity is *dravid *not dasyus
2> The word Dasa means servant or assistant, why would any one kill someone who is ready to serve?!!
3>But according to u, Hinduism and vedas are all humbug and are manipulated, right?
Then how are u quoting these references as the truth?!!!
4>To top it off, hinduism believes that only Vishnu,the protector, will come to earth for it’s salvation not Indra
I know u have just picked this up from some anti-hindu website as even i read it and this was aired on Nat-Geo channel too ( and no I did not declare fatwa on the producers)
what u quote here are interpretations of the Arayn cultures of Germania and Scandinavia not India
so fool someone else
also as u usually say to me, i will say " please use authentic texts and not the internet"
and “it’s all lies i refuse to believe it”
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
Simple answers are below, and this is told by eminent figures. andnot BQSS.
FAMOUS HINDUS AND SCHOLARS ON HINDUISM
Dr. Radhakrishnan, ex-President of India and an eminent interpreter of Hinduism,
Jawaharlal Nehru, The Discovery of India, New Delhi, 1983, p.75.
M.K Gandhi, Hindu Dharma, New Delhi, 1991, p. 120.
Dr B.R. Ambedkar, What Congress and Gandhi have done to Untouchables?
Swami Dharma Theertha, History of Hindu Imperialism, Madras, 1992, p. 178.
Khushwant Singh, India: An Introduction, New Delhi, 1990, p. 19.
Ardersir Sorabjee as quoted in Swami Dharma Theertha, History of Hindu Imperialism, Madras, 1992, p. 178.
The Economist, June 8, 1991, p. 22, col. l.
"Hinduism is far more unstructured than most other religions. It has no archbishops, chief rabbis, grand muftis. Each Hindu decides for himself which manifestations of God are most important to him, what scriptures to accept as authentic, which holy man to follow. The one ineluctable certainty is a person's dharma."
[1] Buddhism founded by Gautoma Buddha is a religion different from Hinduism but the Brahmans made Buddha an incarnation of Hindu god Vishnu in order to make Buddhism a part of Hinduism.
Hah look at the contradictions here
1>Of all the fine gentlemen mentioned above though they criticise the misinterpretations of hinduism (read carefully, some of them are mere statements not criticism) and do not criticise Hinduism itself
2>None of the Gentle men here converted to Islam, so their "critique" of Hinduism does not mean Islam is boss, and stayed very much Hindu/sikh/parsee ...
3> We Hindus let people critique us when we go against our religion, and we correct ourselves, we don't declare Fatwas(like Taslima Nasreen, salman rushdie and Dr Ali Sina) on them and justify our wrong doings ( 9/11 is Jihad)
your comments pls
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
3 things...
1>Dusyus means ones who come from darkness ie. evil not those who are dark skinned the sanskrit word for people of southern ethnicity is dravid *not *dasyus
2> The word Dasa means servant or assistant, why would any one kill someone who is ready to serve?!!
3>But according to u, Hinduism and vedas are all humbug and are manipulated, right? Then how are u quoting these references as the truth?!!!
4>To top it off, hinduism believes that only Vishnu,the protector, will come to earth for it's salvation not Indra
I know u have just picked this up from some anti-hindu website as even i read it and this was aired on Nat-Geo channel too ( and no I did not declare fatwa on the producers)
what u quote here are interpretations of the Arayn cultures of Germania and Scandinavia not India
so fool someone else also as u usually say to me, i will say " please use authentic texts and not the internet"
and "it's all lies i refuse to believe it"
you are right....those who dont know sanskrit should not speak anything 'dasyus' mean evil not dark skinned. If such racist comments are there, then why is lord vishnu is described as dark in color?...they conviniently miss this point and also many characters in our epics are portrayed as dark.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
2>None of the Gentle men here converted to Islam, so their "critique" of Hinduism does not mean Islam is boss, and stayed very much Hindu/sikh/parsee ...
3> We Hindus let people critique us when we go against our religion, and we correct ourselves, we don't declare Fatwas(like Taslima Nasreen, salman rushdie and Dr Ali Sina) on them and justify our wrong doings ( 9/11 is Jihad)
your comments pls
those comments made by hindus were being brougth to our notice when i first joined this forum. I could not defend properly at that time. Now you are defending it properly.
correct..none of those gentle men converted to any other faith and just because they said anything against hinduism, no fatwa was issued. If we just google about radhakrishnan, gandhi and may be others, they have said many positive things about hinduism. Those anti-hindu websites conveniently ignore those positive statements made by these same gentle men. Isn't it hypocrisy ?
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
2>None of the Gentle men here converted to Islam, so their "critique" of Hinduism does not mean Islam is boss, and stayed very much Hindu/sikh/parsee ...
3> We Hindus let people critique us when we go against our religion, and we correct ourselves, we don't declare Fatwas(like Taslima Nasreen, salman rushdie and Dr Ali Sina) on them and justify our wrong doings ( 9/11 is Jihad)
your comments pls
Hey TG, to tell you the truth, I hardly bother about the comments passed by those statements.
I wanted to know whether this matters to one believe for sure no.
It is a matter of understanding.
For a layman thrwing Apple upwards and falling down was common phenomena.
But for scientist such as Newton, he took to this to a new level. I mean logical thinking is with repect to an individual.
I have been with hindus, I know what life style is all about. Do you think what Gandhi, Ambedkar told was different.
They expressed there views, probably I have just picked up some words copy, pasted and paraphrased. I dont believe it myself because I havent read it myself, probably wiht the context the words would mean a lot.
Anyways i dnt want any question to be raised. The only point was when i put that post across was to make everyone understand. That with context everything makes sense.
TG as a muslim I DONT deny, if they are critiques for Islam also as I am frank regarding this factor.
They have passed fatwa thats fine, if you walk the thin line between truth and falsehood. The media also did not leave any stone unturned.
Overall the eminent figures I mentioned, did not mention anything regarding Ram or Krishna.
Unlike Rushdie or Taslima Nasreen, which defamed the character. For us more important to our Parents is Allaah and then Prophet. So this made scholars to pass a fatwa. But this is open for discussion always.
With respect to 9/11, i feel its a conpiracy still and the truth is not yet clear.
I always abhorred, these individuals who went ahead and missiled WTC, coz no Muslim i repeat Muslim would do this. Believe me if all were true muslims who bombed WTC and followed the Gods word they wouldnt.
Anyways not before I watched 3 hours of documentary, held in New york.
Were the symposium they had dignitaries from MIT, Environmental agency, etc.
But like i told, you I was shocked with respect to the minute events they have covered.
Anyways its again open for discussion.
But believe me TG, I always ask my friends hindus do you think moving with muslims they felt they were terrorist and you know the answer.
Anyways I am open for discussion but not when things get personal. Please dont get me wrong.
Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim
3 things...
1>Dusyus means ones who come from darkness ie. evil not those who are dark skinned the sanskrit word for people of southern ethnicity is dravid *not *dasyus
2> The word Dasa means servant or assistant, why would any one kill someone who is ready to serve?!!
3>But according to u, Hinduism and vedas are all humbug and are manipulated, right? Then how are u quoting these references as the truth?!!!
4>To top it off, hinduism believes that only Vishnu,the protector, will come to earth for it's salvation not Indra
I know u have just picked this up from some anti-hindu website as even i read it and this was aired on Nat-Geo channel too ( and no I did not declare fatwa on the producers)
what u quote here are interpretations of the Arayn cultures of Germania and Scandinavia not India
so fool someone else also as u usually say to me, i will say " please use authentic texts and not the internet"
and "it's all lies i refuse to believe it"
Perfect TG thats why I always say that I went to the website of anti-hindu, as with you I alwas knew this but wasnt interested. I know, the stuff right across put there, but I was finding websites were I could clear the doubt, I searched Infact but could not get any veda websites. To clarify my doubt. Because i believe in reading with the context.
For example hypothetical situation. I say today you got hit on the road, the ones who hit you are inhuman.
But if you tel me the complete story, it would be thats you have actually abused them and then you got hit.
Its the context and the complete truth, thats why I ask for authentic evidence. Let it be any factor, of life provide me with evidence I believe it.
I am sorry to al the Hindus, and my Indian friends if I have hurt you.Probably i wasnt able to satisfy each and everyone. I am still a mortal and my words still mean zero.
I am no big shot, my only concern was trying to remove misconception.
But today I am happy after joining this forum.
From an insular mind, i have to think otherwise.
I am thankful to ssingh, narayan, abhiman, anjjan.
big one for TG.
But would want to go ahead with some more discussions. Gets better.