Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

November 29, 2006
(Kamran Abbasi )

Yousuf’s humility deserves the record
Mohammad Yousuf has replaced lazy elegance with lofty elegance © AFP
Mohammad Yousuf stands on the threshold of history. Today–barring a stunning fightback from the West Indian tail, an unusually fruitful opening partnership from Pakistan, or freakish weather–Mr MoYo will get his chance to break Vivian Richards’ record of most runs in a calendar year. Forty-seven runs separate Yousuf from the top spot, an unlikely opportunity for a man once known for his lazy elegance. There is, of course, nothing remotely laid back about his approach now. Yousuf has replaced lazy elegance with lofty elegance. He is a batsman who makes hard work look easy. He has shown that you can mix cricket with religion–each to his own I say. And his recent display of humility and insight has nudged me into rooting for him to take the record, despite my personal estimation that no batsman has ever matched King Viv. Yousuf dealt with this particular comparison expertly by stating his own reverance for cricket’s greatest master blaster. I agree with Yousuf: there is no comparison.
The second comparison foisted upon Yousuf is the one Inzamam-ul Haq discussed in his newspaper column. Yousuf, said Inzy, is the best ever Pakistani batsman, better than Javed Miandad, and better than Inzy too. Can this be true?
For help I turned to Saad Shafqat, my friend and co-author of Javed’s autobiography. Saad offered the following analysis:
"Is MoYo better than JM?
Well, it’s always treacherous comparing batsmen from different eras, but I can think of three important comparisons between MY and JM in which JM comes out ahead.
First, JM has played some phenomenal innings - Sharjah 1986, Georgetown 1988, Colchester 1981 - that have cast a longer shadow and created more ripples than anything MY has done so far.
Second, at the top of his game JM was for a while considered first among equals within the elite batsmen of his day - Gavaskar, Crowe, Border, Gooch, Gower, and Richards. (Actually Richards was perhaps always a bit ahead of the pack but JM easily rubbed shoulders with the rest.) MY, in contrast, is still not considered in the same league as his elite contemporaries - Dravid, Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Kallis, and even Inzy. MY could still get there, but he has yet to prove himself against this group.
Third, JM brought a lot more to the side than his batting. He was and is a tactical genius and he knew better than anyone how to fight the good fight. His legacy for Pakistan is not just in the batting stats he has left behind but in fact he transformed an entire nation’s psyche and made it believe in it’s own possibilities.
Oh, and of course JM had mastered the basics like running between the wickets, an area in which MY is a trainwreck.
I agree. Javed was a true master who erased any doubts about his record against the best teams in that 1988 series and in the way he almost single-handedly held together Pakistan’s batting in the 1992 World Cup. He also hit the world’s most famous six. Viv Richards once said that if he ever had to choose anybody to bat for his life it would be Javed. There can be no higher compliment.
In cricket there are statistics and then there is influence. Influence in cricket, like influence everywhere else, is hard to measure. In my view, Javed influenced more games than any other Pakistani batsman. Yousuf has begun to be more and more influential but he is still well behind Javed and even Inzy.
This doesn’t mean that Yousuf does not deserve the utmost respect. He has conducted himself with remarkable honour and modesty. And he is right to point to his innings at Lord’s this year as his best. I was lucky enough to be at the home of cricket to see the innings, possibly the most perfect innings ever by a Pakistani batsman. For the brilliance of that double hundred alone he deserves to break the record.
But whether or not he surpasses Viv Richards, Yousuf is a winner today. As some of you have pointed out already, Yousuf’s success is a triumph of humility in an age of hubris. Let’s hope the Karachi crowd gives him an appropriate reception.
Source: http://blogs.cricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/2006/11/yousufs_humility_deserves_the.php](http://blogs.cricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/2006/11/yousufs_humility_deserves_the.php)

There cannot be a better analysis than this IMO. Please don’t get me wrong… Yousuf is a very very good batsman, but that doesn’t mean that we forget the skills, talent and immense contribution of Javed Miandad. People have short memories. A lot of us are proving that we are mere mortals including Inzi, who recently suggested that there’s some body better than the great Javed Miandad.

I have always rated Miandad more highly than Inzi or Yousuf. Miandad had this rare ability to occupy the crease for long periods and bat well under pressure. Think of all the runs he scored in important matches - back to back hundreds in the Caribbean against Marshall and co. in 1988, a hundred in Australasia cup final 1986, fifties in WC 92 Final and SF, 70 v Australia in 1987 WC SF + 6 test double hundreds, the most among his contemporaries and the most by a Pakistani so far. Add to that the fact that his test average never dropped below 50 throughout his career.

People often talk about Inzi’s 17 hundreds in matches won by Pakistan but that’s a misleading stat. e.g. Inzi scored a hundred in his 100th test in Bangalore but it was Younis Khan who made 267 in the same match who was the player of the match. A more relevant stat is not hundreds scored in matches won by Pakistan but hundreds that DIRECTLY contributed to victory. (like Inzi’s hundred v Bangladesh at Multan)

Yousuf (4 years younger than Inzi) the way he’s going is well on course to becoming Pakistan’s most successful batsman in terms of both runs and centuries. But being most successful does not necessarily mean that he’s better than Miandad or even Inzi. It’s always unfair comparing batsmen from different eras.

The fact of the matter is among the best batsmen of his era (Richards, Gavaskar, Greg Chappell, Greenidge, Haynes, Lloyd, Gower, Gooch, Martin Crowe, Boycott and Border) Miandad was second only to Viv Richards who many regard as the greatest batsman of this era.

Re: Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

I don't think if anyone believes that anyone is better than JM. MY has potential to become the best, but as of now we can't call him the greatest Pakistani batsman.

Re: Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

Also there's more cricket played these days so players have greater opportunities to score runs/hundreds and take wickets but where are the wicket-taking bowlers? Imran Khan recently questioned the standard of bowling in today's era.

Don't forget that Richards, Miandad and co. made their runs against some of the greatest bowlers in the history of the game - the Windies quartet (Richards ofcourse did not face them), Imran Khan (Miandad ofcourse did not face him, Wasim or Waqar), Lillee, Hadlee, Thomson, Wasim Akram, Willis, Botham and Kapil.

Compare that great era with the bowlers of today. Apart from the two world class spinners Murali and Warne there are n't many world class fast bowlers around - McGrath, Akhtar ( but has missed 50% of the matches thru various bans/inuries). Flintoff, Lee, Ntini and Hoggard are not quite in the same league as the aforementioned names.

Flintoff, Lee, Hoggard and Jerome Taylor have bowling averages of 31.25, 31.85 and 30.12 and 32.80 respectively. Harmsion has a bowling average of 29.63 and Ntini 28.2

Only McGrath (21.46), Akhtar (25.69), Pollock (23.42) and Bond (21.53) have bowling averages in the low-mid 20s.

Wasim Akram (23.62), Waqar (23.56) Ambrose (20.99) Walsh (24.44) and Donald (22.25) have long retired.

Compare them to bowling averages of Imran Khan (22.81), Lillee (23.92), Hadlee (22.29), Bob Willis (25.20) Holding (23.68), Garner (20.97) Marshall (20.94) Andy Roberts (25.61) Colin Croft (23.30) and Jeff Thomson (28) So that truly was the golden age of fast bowlers.

If anything with generally crap bowlers the world over and extra protective gear, batting is a lot easier these days. During Miandad's time only 5 batsmen averaged 50 in tests ( Richards, Gavaskar, Border, Chappell and Miandad himself). Today there are no fewer than 11 batsmen who are averaging 50 in tests

  • Australia - Ponting, Hayden and Hussey
  • Pakistan - Yousuf and Inzi
  • India - Dravid, Sehwag and Tendulkar
  • South Africa - Kallis and Graeme Smith
  • WI - Brian Lara

Damien Martyn, Strauss, Pietersen and Gilchrist were all averaging 50 in tests until recently

Re: Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

I never understand these "who's the best" discussions, whether they are for within a country or in the entire world. There are going to be great players in each generation that may or may not be better than the best from the previous generations. The game has been evolving with time, as have been the players. It's unfair to the players to compare them across generations, unless of course you truely are MILES ahead of everyone else, like Don Baddy. Oh well...

Re: Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

if inzi had not been in this rare patch of poor form, no one wud have even put yusuf above inzi, let alone making him the best pakistan has ever produced....

but given the form he has been in this year, i dont think even bradman cud have been better than him.... :p

Re: Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

Agree with you totally. Hence all I would say is that Miandad was the second greatest batsman of his era. King Viv was the best.

Re: Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

Viv Richard once said that if I had to pick a player to bat for my life it would be Miandad. Enough said.

Re: Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

very true. Miandad was a genius. He and Imran Khan were mainly responsible for transforming our game in the 70s and 80s.

Re: Who's the greatest Pakistani batsman? Miandad or some one else?

Miandad all the way ..... and points very well put up in Abbasi's article and King Viv's comments should end the discussion anyway !!!

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I think the whole thing started with the bold comment made by INZI. Although I admire INZI a lot, I disagree with this comment.
In my mind it is a case of “counting the chicks before they hatch” or “jumping the gun” ----all american phrases. Let MoYo develop more and show who he is. Yes he has been around for quite a bit of time, but lets give him another few years and see where he lands eventually from the altitude he is soaring on right now! and he is soaring with elegance, mind you!
In short, I call it “premature”.

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Let's not forget Javed Miandad had the advantage of playing in front of home umpires in Pakistan - umpires who were absolutely biased and never gave him out LBW. May be once. But you can say that it all evened out when he visited India where the ball had to kiss his pads and the finger would go up. lol

Inzi and Yousuf for most part did not have that luxury.

So, it is not fair to compare batsmen from different eras facing different bowlers.

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I agree that comparision is not a good thing to do. However my vote will still go to Inzimam as Pakistan best ever.

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I think its also unfair to say that bowling standards have declined now, rather blame should be put where it belongs, the pitches. Increasingly we are seeing flatter and flatter pitches that offer very little to fast bowlers.

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^ very true...and you know that is driven by marketing tactics trying to draw in crowds of today who like to see "runs" being scored regardless of whether they understand the game or not. So you want pithes where a lot of runs are scored. Otherwise the crowd is not expected to return.

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:D But you have to also see that he has played very few matches compared in India compared what he played in Pakistan.

His number would have been definitly not as good if he has played this era of neutral umpiring but then he would have had luxury of playing against Pappu bowlers. It evens out. :D

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^ also most replays of Javed running his famous "cheeky singles" show he would have been out many times if they had third umpiring then...
so another case in point that we should not compare ...they were then and this is now...different game altogether, a lot of technology and money involved now!

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That’s such an unfair comment. All top batsmen incl. Gavaskar and Viv Richards (Were it not for home umpires, Pakistan would have won the series in the Caribbean in 1988 2-0 instead of drawing it 1-1. Imran Khan also alluded to that in his autobiography ‘all round view’ A clear edge off Viv’s bat was not given out) benefited from having home umpires in the past.

2 of Miandad’s 6 double hundreds were on foreign pitches. His 260 against England at the Oval in 1987 and his 271 v Hadlee and co. at Auckland in 1988 (http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1980S/1988-89/PAK_IN_NZ/PAK_NZ_T3_24-28FEB1989.html) plus he scored back to back hundreds in the Caribbean in 1988. Also cast your minds back to the 1992 WC in Australia. Every time Miandad strode out to the crease, Pakistan were in deep deep trouble. He scored no less than 6 fifties in that WC incl. important half-centuries in the SF and Final.

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I am not comparing Viv and Miandad. We were comparing him with present day Yoyo.

Look you can get all emotional about the greatness of Miandad and I am not arguing his career highlights. A man who has played over 100 tests should have done at least what you describe above or else we won't be talking about him.

Yeah, he was good but still not untouchable. I honestly think Inzi and Yousuf are as good if not better than him.

Also do not forget that Miandad played alongside greats such as Zaheer, Majid, Imran, Mudassar whereas inzi carried the weight all on his shoulders most of the time.

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I respect your opinion but the reality is that cricket pundits, journalists and analysts will always put Ponting, Tendulkar and Lara ahead of Inzi, Dravid and Kallis. Whenever there's a debate about who's the greatest batsman of this era, the discussion usu. turns to Tendulkar, Lara or Ponting. Inzi's name is not mentioned in the same breath as the aforementioned names. Herein lies the difference. Miandad was regarded by most as the second best batsman of his generation after Viv.

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Flipping your argument, it was Miandad’s brilliance that he was able to cement his place and perform in the presence of these greats (zaheer, Majid, Imran) while Inzi and MoYo were not faced with that stiff competition so they can NOT PERFORM FORM SOME TIME AND CAN STILL GET SELECTED in the team… :slight_smile:

No doubt in the greatness of Inzi and MoYo but Miandad was the greatest street fighter and batsmen Pakistan ever had. Don’t only look at the averages but see what does Miandad brings to the team!!!

but then again this is useless debate. I guess we can only compare batsmen of one era and Miandad is from other era than Inzi and MoYo