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What is a Muslim then?
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I heard Dr. Zakir Naik was not an Islamic scholar, because he doesn't meet one or few of the requirements?
I think he/she meant that not following the Sunnah makes one a non-Muslim.
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I think he/she meant that not following the Sunnah makes one a non-Muslim.
Dr. Zakir Naik is a brilliant scholar. He has issues with tassawuff just like any wahabi/salafi does.
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Any one who accpets Allah as one and Muhammad (p.b.u.h) as the last & final prophet. That is the consensus so far. Ahead of it the sects start & one sect can declare that he is not a sunni or a shia etc but one sect declaring someone to be non-muslim is i think against common sense.
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MKF
Why do people always write PBUH or SAW. Without this do you think GOD will feel offended ?
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^ Nope.
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No pathania it is a sign of respect like we always say "AAP" to an elder, not "TUM".
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so finally u reveal yourself…
a pervazi… 
no wonder u came up with all that junk… 
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mughal what is so wrong in being a pervaizi?
Are pervaizies non-muslims? Don't they believe on One Allah and Muhammad (p.b.u.h) as the last prophet.
Mughal to me It seems that whosoever you do not agree to speaks junk.
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^then what do you want us to say about the person who's munkir-e-ahadith
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they disbelieve in Quran itself…
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Well Armugal did u hve read all Saha Sita books Do u Know Arabi?Why u r Gooing On a path tht Not Muhammad(pbuh)words.Why sahaba Didnt collects the Hadees Why Muhammad (pbuh)didnt write his own WOrds.DO u hve any Beliveable Answer?
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Technically he should not be an Ummate of Hazrat Muhammad (p.b.u.h), however there is a catch. These people refuse to accept that Hazrat Muhammad may have said many of the things being reported by the compilers. They say that so many generations had passed between saying of the words by the prophet and writing of Ahadith. It is their view point and you can call them skeptics of presently compiled books of Ahadiths. The objection is scholarly in nature and cannot be used to ascertain somebody as a muslim or a non muslim.
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Imran you are drifting from the right path. You are forgetting that Arabs tended to remember every thing including their long Shijraas. All the commentaries of the Quran are based on the intricate differences in meaning of the words in the times of prophet deduced from the poetry of the time which was mostly transferred later on to paper. Infact Arabs abhorred writing and preserving and considered it an insult to their memory. Still Hazrat Abu Huraira had kept many thousand Ahadiths written.
What you can do is to argue on the authenticity of a particular Hadith. This carpet bombing which Munkireen-Kutb-Hadith have done is simply absurd. Do you know about Isma-ur-rijjal. 0.5 million people are described in it. Why you think that a person 1200 Hunderd years of reporting of Ahadith has the suthority to reject it. Does he know better than the people of those times.
The better criteria is to reject the Ahadith which do not conform to Quranic Teachings. Remember the same people who transferred Ahadith also transferred Quran. If you do not trust them here, how can you trust them there?
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Is it so? I am not sure. Can you quote some reference?????
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who told u that the sahaba did not collect ahadith???
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Armughal bhai and MKF bhai Tell me hve u both reads the Books of Tammana Emmadi Sahab ?
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No, never heard of him
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ImranJaff I think you need to do your homework before you start talking about hadith. Now I do not call people who are skeptical about the compilation of hadith, as non-muslim. And those people who start calling people who show ambiguity about the hadith as non-muslim are also wrong. The reason I say this is that the scholars of hadith discarded more than 90% of what they collected. However we do not call them munkir-e-hadith.
Before we proceed, let me clarify that I believe in follow hadith however there are some stiky points, which sometimes I pause to ponder about. Muslims definitely take great pride in our science of hadith, and deservedly so. It was quite rigorous and leaves a small margin for tolerance. The only thing that I think about though is that most of it was developed to verify that Sanad of a hadith i.e. its chain of narration. There is little to verify the matan i.e. text of a hadith. To me this is what the Quran is for. Even though a hadith mayu have a Saheeh isnad its matan may very well be false or twisted, and this we can verify against the Quran. People who are termed munkir-e-hadith have run abound with this portion of the abmiguity in the hadith. They have nothing to say about the isnad and the hadith, which become target of their critique are hadith whose matan is quite unreasonable or circumstantial enough to not render it clear enough.
Now scholars of today and past have done little to verify such ahadith. Just because they cannot find fault in its sanad it is classed as Saheeh and all kinds of interpretations are put forward to justify it. What we have cannot little be denied in terms of Isnad and we are not close enough in time to even verify it to a 50% degree of authenticity as well. The past great scholars of hadith did that for us and this is all so you can go off of. What todays scholars need to accomplish is that they verify the matan of ahadith against the Quran and if those people who are munkir-e-hadith are true to the Quran then they should have no objection to this.
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Excellent input to the forum, more intellectual than emotional