Mai Kis Kai Haath Par Apna Lhoo Talash Karoo !
Who is responsible for the murder of this ‘whore woman’ !
Musharraf
Mulla
or We All !
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This is very very very sad....the same was the fate of many Afghan women.... now what will happen to her three children
Truly horrible.
Pakistani Islamists are following the terrible ways of their beduin masters.
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Who is responsible?
The ****ing schmucks who killed her. The 'askariyat pasand' aholes. May Allah destroy this scourge from the face of Pakistan. The murderers of this woman will face justice, inshallah.
Who is responsible? .
The Islamists terrorists.
Who is responsible?
May Allah destroy this scourge from the face of Pakistan. The murderers of this woman will face justice, inshallah.
Amen brother.
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Can anyone please translate the last para for Burqi please?
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there is ofcourse the perfunctory Musharraf beating Data. Whatever his responsibility for the situation, specific acts are carried out by individuals. So long as you keep on blaming Musharraf you will never come round to confronting the primary villains in this reprehensible story. Make no mistake, the people who kept the poor woman from working, those who evicted the mufti who stood up for her, and those who killed the woman, were ALL Taleban, and it is very difficult to peg any of those actions as a reaction to something Musharraf did.
Even if you see it as a reaction, it is a reaction that is evil, and must be criticised instead of taking focus away to root causes or other such stuff.
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I blame the people who created these 'monsters'. You cant blame bacteria for ruining your milk if you leave it outside the fridge, you have to blame yourself buddy.
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Blame Allah then, He created these individuals. You speak as if human beings are cause and effect, as if the necessary consequence of Musharraf carrying out operations in Swat (or whatever it is you're blaming him for in this instance, Im not sure) will automatically result in a woman being deprived from her livelihood and killed.
We all deal with ****ty policies and actions of rulers/governments all the time, everyday.. usually without going around and killing women. If we did, I hope someone would put an end to our lives, regardless of what the former ruler's policies were at the time. Swat isnt special. Nor are swati people constructed to respond to inequity by killing women.
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^ You blame Allah, I blame whoever I want. Read some of the articles Zakk posted a few years ago, to see who is responsible for creating these people. Things just dont sprout out of no where. And chanda, I am not the one blaming Musharraf, I just said read the last part of the article, the mufti who the article narrates is, I suppose you will go and ask the grieving mufti to blame Allah.
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I am free to correct you, without necessarily needing to correct the Mufti as well. Nor am I required to agree with the assessment of the source of the information.
Now I've read my share of articles, those posted by Zakk and those Zakk did not post. I understand that Musharraf's govt may have knowingly or unwittingly allowed Taleban to gain control.
That is not the issue here. The specific question is that of one woman and her murder. Musharraf played absolutely no part in the killing of that woman. Again, we all deal with idiotic policies and govt created disasters all the time without needing to oppress and kill women
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As i have already said, Taliban are neither any better nor worse than any militia that operate in lawless areas, doing whatever they want by terrorising the local population and these self proclaimingly are acting on behalf of God.
I am free to correct you, without necessarily needing to correct the Mufti as well. Nor am I required to agree with the assessment of the source of the information.
Now I've read my share of articles, those posted by Zakk and those Zakk did not post.
The reason why I mentioned them was because they make it absolutely clear who is responsible for this mess, but in your following reply you admit he knowingly or unwittingly caused it, so thats all ok.
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I understand that Musharraf's govt may have knowingly or unwittingly allowed Taleban to gain control.
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Good, though I'd stress on 'knowingly'.
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That is not the issue here. The specific question is that of one woman and her murder. Musharraf played absolutely no part in the killing of that woman. Again, we all deal with idiotic policies and govt created disasters all the time without needing to oppress and kill women
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It is! You can catch one criminal/thief and make him suffer for one crime, but the key here is to stop his gang leader from producing more criminals, or working to educate and give jobs to people who are likely to join his league out of sheer frustrations of unemployment or extortion etc.
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I wouldn't indulge in blame-passing, it is clear from the article that the "militants" are totally lost. They compare themselves to 'shaheed-e-karbala' without knowing the differences. These cowards take refuge behind civilians while the shuhada-e-karbala were all out in the open against the forces (of course there are many other differences too). Really despicable.
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The reason why I mentioned them was because they make it absolutely clear who is responsible for this mess, but in your following reply you admit he knowingly or unwittingly caused it, so thats all ok.
Good, though I'd stress on 'knowingly'.
The question is not 'who created this mess' but 'who is responsible for the murder of this woman'. That is, we are talking about the specific crime, not the general situation. And the only correct answer here is the people who oppressed her and killed her. No root causes shmauses.
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It is! You can catch one criminal/thief and make him suffer for one crime, but the key here is to stop his gang leader from producing more criminals, or working to educate and give jobs to people who are likely to join his league out of sheer frustrations of unemployment or extortion etc.
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If you never condemn the criminal or his gang leader, regardless of insinuations about people behind the gang leader or ground conditions amenable to the gang leader, the gang leader gets to maintain his quasi anti-establishment crusader mantle that hes been relatively successful in keeping up.
To give you an example, I believe the correct approach was to criticize the hell out of MQM and its terrorist actions. The solution, ofcourse is to have better education and employment oppurtunities since most MQM workers are unemployed youth, with some legitimate grievances regarding systemic discrimination and bad policies. That however, excuses none of their actions. And those grievances and policies should have absolutely no role in a discussion of a specific crime committed by them.
Are we ever going to move beyond 'who is responsible for this mess'? I don't think problems will get solved by identified this way, instead of finding out what can be done now. Whats the point of repeating the same thing over and over?
I wouldn't indulge in blame-passing, it is clear from the article that the "militants" are totally lost. They compare themselves to 'shaheed-e-karbala' without knowing the differences. These cowards take refuge behind civilians while the shuhada-e-karbala were all out in the open against the forces (of course there are many other differences too). Really despicable.
They have no relation with Hussain(ra) as these people cut body parts of 40 shias in Para Chinar,NWFP few months ago and then burnt them alive.
They have no relation with Hussain(ra) as these people cut body parts of 40 shias in Para Chinar,NWFP few months ago and then burnt them alive.
I am not talking about "relationship" per se, rather the ideology or the concept.
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And even just for sake of it we imagine that there was any whore in Swat, what right they had to kill her.
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When Pak Army capture these Jihadi's .. they found liquor, drugs from their hideouts.. !