Who was he?

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it appears vroom's posts are "striking facts" about debandi school of thought.

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well, you can reject and call it baatil...from your POV, unfortunately, it's a FACT...aapke inkaarii se Haqeeqat to nahiiN badal jaanii...be happy in your own bubble...:)

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Well i am not aware of any 'facts' around capitalizing of letters! I KNOW it is must when mentioning THE PROPHET SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam

what remains to seen is about he, him, his and if possible the fatawa on you because you intentionally wrote [the prophet] without capitals, with an abbreviated Salawat

So it'll be interesting to see what the ruling is on such a person, i think there is an article on the subject.
Thats a digging project for when i have time In Sha Allah

Until then for the sake of despair you can show proofs for the shariah you have made up, the lie upon Allah Ta'ala that we are not permitted to write in capitals regarding HIs Dear Ones .

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Thank you everyone for replying. I, unfortunately, had never heard of him before he passed. I still don’t know enough to pass any sort of judgment or conclusion of what I think.

Regarding capitalizations, I have personally never used caps for any pronoun other than when speaking of Allah (swt). I’m not sure if there are any “set” rules behind it… but I avoid using caps for “him/ he” when speaking of The Prophet (saw) to avoid confusing him (saw) with Allah (swt).

I did do a quick look through the Quran (translation) and even online, when speaking about The Prophet (saw), even “you” is lower cased.

“We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but most men understand not.” (Quran: 34/28)

“Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.” (Quran: 33/21)](http://www.noblequran.com/translation/)

In my opinion, it all goes back to intention. Respect is subjective. I respect The Prophet (saw) and I respect Allah (swt), but I don’t think my respect for them is on the same level. I do differentiate between them, as I firmly believe we should.
On that note, I wouldn’t ever hold anyone else, alive or not, to the same level as The Prophet (saw), let alone the level of Allah (swt).

But, at the same time, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs.

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Wow. Since when are you so sure that it is not your opinions that are Baatil. To be quite frank, from what I have seen you post on this forum, I would be forced to say that that sentence applies to you more than anyone else here.

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One should avoid passing judgements. But at the same time, scholars like Imam Al-Nawawi have highlighted that it is necessary to tell people to avoid those who are misguided so that they do not become misguided. Try searching for the “sheikh” and you will discover what has been said about him.

No one comes close to Allah in any way whatsoever whether in Adab or anything else.

It isn’t supposed to be.

“We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but most men understand not.” (Quran: 34/28)

“Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.” (Quran: 33/21)](http://www.noblequran.com/translation/)

There is no comparison. One is God the other a Messenger and slave of Allah as you recite that ever time in your prayer. The word 'abd means slave.

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) is the BEST among the creation. No one comes close to him (peace be upon him). But no one with a sane mind compares him (peace be upon him) to Allah, the Exalted.

Sad, yet true.

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Some people here remind me of the following Hadith

Narrated `Umar:

                    I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of  Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."

[Sahih Bukhari - Prophets - Chapter: The Statement of Allah Taa'la: "And mention in the Book, the story of Maryam..." - Hadith 115]

Heed for those who choose to heed.

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he was funguy! :kiss::kiss:

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Do you find it challenging to differentiate between a Rasool and Allah Sunhanahu wa Ta’ala? Interesting that a capital letter will throw you into associatong partners with Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala. Yes each to their own belief. Some people have odd beliefs, your belief seems odd to me

However, there is no need to use capitals for he him his
Its something that i do its something that i plan to expand on as well, meaning i plan to use more capitals for a greater range of words

There is some words that require capital letter for example ’ the Prophet’

I like to write ‘The Prophet’ - the additional capitalization of the T is not something that is a requirement. I have just learnt that i, me, must do it because of the way i reference to The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. I like to do it anyway and I am going to continue it In Sha Allah

I am not aware of any need to write the ‘you’ with a capital Y. But i like to think i would use a capital if i personally reference The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam

We, i should say i, only have so much ability. I could die easily, i could be slain easily. I like to think i would be willing to die for Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala and i like to think i would be willing to make the greatest sacrifice for The Messenger of Allah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam, that is to die for Him SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam
The cause is actually the same, like wise with adab

Having said we have only so much ability, I would like to know where you are skimping on the respect you show to The Messenger of Allah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam?

I suppose the idea itself [fully respecting The Messenger of Allah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam] as a means of approach onto Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala for barakat is not open to you because of what you said earlier.

Perhaps a topic for another time

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I am sure that what I called batil is batil (its not actually batil, its worse). The reason for that?// the answer is education. I have received some education from Muslims upon correct understanding and my knowledge of Quran and Sunnah tallies with that, and other things

Do you know what the conversation is about? No. The point you need to 'beat me on right now is to prove it is not permissible to use a capital H (as in he, him, his) for other then Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. You can also take up other things i have said after.

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In the English language a pronoun is capitalized for two reasons

Reverence
To make clear who is being referred to

*When it is accepted that a capital letter for the pronoun He refers to Allah, your capitalizing the pronoun when it refers to anyone else creates confusion for the reader. *

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well, the queens english is not something that particularly sways me

i'll take your word for it that the above information is correct regarding english rulez

i have stated that 1 of the reasons i do it is for reverence (respect, reverence and honour)
so thats a tick. i take it that the queens english conforms to me

with regards to confusion for the reader, i take it they do not expect the 'reverence' to be there. ! thats their problem, since the reverence should be there, is permitted to be there.

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Ok now that we have that out of the way, could you please explain that last line of yours. Are you saying you show Allah and the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) the same level of respect? Or did you wish to imply something else.

If it is the former, can you quote any classical scholar from the four schools of thought who agrees with this thinking of yours?

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I said as is written, the level of adab is max

Max Adab
for both
Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala (100%)
and
His Messenger SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam (100%)

This is a singular level

I do not consider this to be a problematic position

We can look at this through the works of classical scholars but for that you will need to be patient

I welcome looking at this from all angles

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It is actually true what brother vroom has stated ... we are not to show any disrespect to RasoolAllah (SAW). So to use the argument that Allah (SWT) should be given more respect than RasoolAllah (SAW) is meaningless. We can't give more respect than what is already all respect.

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the text you bolded is tassuwaff, kind of example of unity of the being they believe in.

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Respect has different forms… The respect one has for Allah swt is not the same as for Rasool Allah saw. One is creator the other is creation…
Oh and tassuwuf teaches me to love the prophet because he was the beloved of Allah.

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do you believe in unity of the being?

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Sure why not. The creator is with us at all times! Are you with him?
Fabi Ayyi Ala I Rabbikuma Tukazziban](Redirect Notice)
Disclamer: Yes I am a Sufi :slight_smile:

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^Idea of unity of the being comes from tassuwaf, right?
You are not separate from your creator,right?
how to distinguesh between the creator and creation?