I have just one question and it's answer I need to know from any of all above intelligent people:
"Why did Israelies attack on an American Sea Ship disguised as Jordanian miltary during it's war with Jordan?"
Remember: History is the best lesson to understand today's minds:)
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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
Ahmadjee..
I'm surprised that you underestimate the powers of 'hawkish CIA'.. it's not just the french who know how they are the executors of all that's unlawful for whatever the government wants done.
The quest for Central Asian oil may or may not have been the motive, but the opportunity was certainly grabbed gladly.
Not a lot adds up at the Osama end.. i mean give me a break.. an arab living in a cave in Afghanistan?? worse he can do is kill dogs who aren't black or women who are showing some ankle.. planning something like this requires an IQ greater than the monkeys those morons are..
Praising someone for something doesn't incriminate them. He can eulogise the idiots who carried out the attack all he wants.. but I don't consider them able enough to pull something this big.
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Read the bold part.
Ossama is capable to carry out all kind of evil thing and he can provide human resource and to some extent financial backing but the logistic for 9-11 just don’t add up.
Gadha,
As no one seems to answer your question. Maybe you should tell us the inside story.
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*Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic: *
As long as 9/11 goes, I believe Al-Qaida and OBL was behind it and if any American is reading my post I just want to say that I am really very very sorry to what had happened. Also another suggestion that U.S.A has very big diversity. I have always tought of U.S.A as a glass, which is clear so please do not with your act make a scratch of hate that can never be replaced.
PEACE
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Apology Accepted :)
There can be little doubt that the lily livered, left-wing, lizard-lipped, liberal, laggards of the Democratic party are deserving of their fair share of blame in failing to build America’s preparedness for an event like 9/11. From fat Frank
Church’s dismantling of the US intelligence services and capabilities through Jimmy “I love Billy Beer” Carter’s pathetic diminished expectations for America all the way to Slick Willy’s impotency in the face of previous terrorist attacks, Democrats did more to weaken America at home and abroad than any foreign enemy could have.
Need I remind anyone that leaders of the Democratic Congress derided Lt. Col. Oliver North during the Reagan years for suggesting that one Osama Bin Laden was the most dangerous terrorist in the world and that the US ought to do something about him besides trying to put North in jail for putting an electrified fence around North’s home to protect him and his family from Bin Laden’s death and assassination threats.
It is laughable to hear Slick Willy today talk about how regretful he is that he wasn’t able to take out Osama. Sticking one or two cruise missiles up a few camel’s butts was not much of an effort now was it. In 8 years in office, I can recall not a single time that Clinton or anyone in his administration ever attempted to educate the American public about either the terrorist threat at home or Osama bin Laden or Al Qaeda.
From the right, this is myvoice signing off.
NY and CH are missing, I guess they too realize that slick willy should have and could have done more but did not..
Fradzilla. Chaltahai is away on business, HE SHALL BE BACK! I have nothing to add to this, I voted for Osama, aren’t you happy about that?
Willy was too busy with Monika to do anything else. His foreign policy was too internal (I mean with the interns).
A report was handed off to Dubya about the growing threat of Al Qaeda by the Clinton team. I didn't hear Bush in 9 months say anything about the threat of Bin Laden.
I ams ure they did not just sit on it and not do anything. I mean not everything that is done needs to be public info. Hind sight is always 20-20.
I mean yes the diff depts did not do their work like they should have done. Lack of cooperatyiona nd coordination within these agencies and with other agencies would have been better.
I have however not found any indication that the govt just sat on this and not do anything. Just because something was not being talked about by the talking heads does not mean there was no work being done.
I agree that the work was not enough. but for all these opinion show anchors on the likes of fox, cnn and msnbc..they have faulted bush fron dropping the ball, clinton for not doing enough..however, if you go back and look at the things they were discussing themselves.. they themselves dropped the ball on it just because it was not the flavour of the month.
I cant stand these "news" ppl anymore, they are more political, biased and partisan than anyone in such a role should be.
Yeah, if Willy had come out with the idea of invading Afghanistan in his term of office, the Republicans would have whined how he doesn't want 'em looking down his pants.
The most disturbing news I read was about the highjacker who flew into LA and the Malaysians flashed red flag as he met some top Al Qaida dude in KL ... according to the report, the CIA/FBI sat on their bums and shared donuts.
You should add AMERICA for one of the possible answers. They are the ones responsible for all the hatred against them.
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Need I remind anyone that leaders of the Democratic Congress derided Lt. Col. Oliver North **during the Reagan years* for suggesting that one Osama Bin Laden was the most dangerous terrorist in the world and that the US ought to do something about him besides trying to put North in jail for putting an electrified fence around North’s home to protect him and his family from Bin Laden’s death and assassination threats.
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I'm intrigued. Now was that before Osama was born, or after?!
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You should add AMERICA for one of the possible answers. They are the ones responsible for all the hatred against them.
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Perhaps we should add jealousy or envy to the list instead. Peoples embarrased, ashamed or bewildered by their own flawed economic/political/religous systems, poverty, unemployment, un-education, hunger, losses in war, inability to progress, etc- need a scapegoat. No one likes a winner, it makes them feel inadequate. It makes them insecure about themselves, their peoples and their histories.
Can anyone objectively say that any country that was the world's sole superpower would not be hated by everyone else? What country would handle this power any better? You want to give the Arabs a shot at it? How about China? Or India? How about France, Britian or Russia? Would they handle the reins of power any better than the US?
Its really stupid to think that a guy who is sitting in the caves of Afghan can plan such an attack...
It has been proven that Israel/Jews were behind these attacks...
You are either too stupid or you're either to smart to realize the truth...
I've proven my points in the past and have proved OBL wasn't behind 9/11 and it has been proven publicly 9/11=Jews..
Believe it or not.. its up to you, I can careless...
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Perhaps we should add jealousy or envy to the list instead. Peoples embarrased, ashamed or bewildered by their own flawed economic/political/religous systems, poverty, unemployment, un-education, hunger, losses in war, inability to progress, etc- need a scapegoat. No one likes a winner, it makes them feel inadequate. It makes them insecure about themselves, their peoples and their histories.
Can anyone objectively say that any country that was the world's sole superpower would not be hated by everyone else? What country would handle this power any better? You want to give the Arabs a shot at it? How about China? Or India? How about France, Britian or Russia? Would they handle the reins of power any better than the US?
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Everyone hates america caus they gotta have it their way or no ones way. Look at whats happening in Iraq. America blames Iraq for trying to hide chemical weapons and trying to get a nuke. America has these things. Why didnt anyone attack america when they started making a nuke?If it was alright for america to develop a nuke why cant iraq make one?
About the "Axis of evil" ****. In the eyes of Iraq and many countries America is the real axis of evil. Id rather see China or Russia become a super power.
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If it was alright for america to develop a nuke why cant iraq make one?
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All things being equal, there would be no reason. But all things are not equal. After Iraq attacked their Muslim neighbors in 1990, US came in and defeated them in war. Iraq signed an agreement as part of their surrender that said they would not develop such weapons and would allow inspections.
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Id rather see China or Russia become a super power.
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You'd rather see a country that has a long history of suppressing the rights of Muslims as the superpower? And what happens when their "no freedom of religion" ideaology makes its way to your part of the world? American Muslims enjoy more freedom to practice their religion than anywhere else in the world.
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About the "Axis of evil" ***. In the eyes of Iraq and many countries America is the real axis of evil. Id rather see China or Russia become a super power.
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do you even know what you are talking about? do u have any idea of how those countries treat their minorities especially religious minorities, do u have any idea the underhanded tactics used by russkies aganst afghani ppl..toys that explode, booby trapped food packets?
The basic problem with some people is this...
US is not some angel state..it looks after its interests, like everyone does, and should do..so maybe you get screwed over by it..tough..maybe someobne else gets screwed over when you watch out for your interests..
but..if someone is doing something wrong...it does not make that person;s rival a good guy.
If a burgular is killed by a mass murderer, it does not make the mass murderer right..
same situation...is US right all the time, not at all..does it have policies that affect others in a negative way, sure. However..does that make someone fighting with US right? NO.
the sooner we understand this the better...you dislike US for the same reason that Afghanis dislike Pakistan, or Tibetians dislike China.
Seminole: Good points about Russia and China. What I find here is most of the griping is not directed towards places like china and Russia. For ex. Chechnya and Uighers etc. This is the double standard.
What I think it stems out of is the jealousy and ineptitude in other countries. Frankly speaking they have neither developed a free and open society within their own nations eventhough the claim of higher values, perfect system etc. are non-stop.
The reality is America is the most free and economically advanced nation in the world with the strongest military. How many peeple who are dectractors of America are willing to line up in front of the chinese and russian embassies? The sooner they realize the better and there would be less need for prozac.
Salam hskhan
I have read some of your posts and have virtually agreed to all of it.
America is the most hypocrtical nation on this face off the earth... It tells other to get rid of WMD yet itself it has the most WMD and deadly missiles to deliver them.
Any country that tryes to make WMD, Uncle sam gets in the way... if the country refuses to listen to uncle sam, then what it does that it shows a big "danda"... if that doesn't work, it uses it... All because america is a superpower, it takes advantage of that and uses it on other countries.
It has caused the death of millions of muslims and yet talks about world peace... is there a limit to americas hypocricy? No but Time will prove my right.
Its really useless to argue with seminole, he really lacks on knowledge when it comes to political issues. He talks about Islamic-world yet at the same time supports the enemy of our Islamic-world...
I suggest you do something valuable with your time instead of wasting it on argueing with seminole, he will always tryes to win but fails miserably every each time yet he thinks he does win... Its a shame but its also the reality!
Usman Khalil
Usman has a published book of insults tp choose from. BTW, Clinton and the US military sailed over 70 cruise missles into Afganistan after the Cole bombing. Not very accurate results, but did a lot of damage to some training bases. It is far easier to take action in Afganistan after
9/11.