Who says "Sati" is not practiced in India?????????

**Another woman commits ‘sati’ in Madhya Pradesh :frowning: **
Bhopal | September 21, 2006 1:15:14 AM IST

Yet another woman committed ‘sati’ in Madhya Pradesh Wednesday by jumping onto the funeral pyre of her husband, police said. The woman was identified as Kariyabai, 95, a resident of Vaniyani village in Chhattarpur district.

An aged woman burnt herself on the funeral pyre of her husband this morning. We will know more details after our team returns,” a police official said.

This is the second such case in a month after Janakrani of Tulsipur village in Sagar district had committed sati. On Sep 11, Mithlesh had tried to immolate herself in Tikamgarh district but was prevented from doing so.

A special court had earlier this year sentenced to life a woman’s sons and brothers for abetting her death on her husband’s pyre in 2002.

The worship of ‘sati matas’ - women who commit sati - is common in some parts of the country. The Ranisatiji temple in Rajasthan’s Jhunjhunu, for instance, is extolled as a testament of** “feminine bravery”** and is frequented by thousands of worshippers. (IANS)

SOURCE: http://news.webindia123.com/news/Articles/India/20060921/457024.html

Re: Who says "Stai" is not practiced in India?????????

sad

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:(

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oh my...thas not good

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First you make it clear....'What do you mean by the word 'Practice'? If the Law allows such act or the people are dying hard to keep this tradition alive?

You can compare 'Sati' to the Honor killings type of traditions still very common in many backward societies where the killers go scot free and the so-called parliament fails to make any law banning such outdated traditions.

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Well, the very fact that this incident was reported means that Sati practice is an isolated one that takes place in remote villages or tribal areas. Its banned by law.

I think this is the nth thime such a thread has been started as a mud-slinging campaign. So let me also reciprocate.

Consider the Hudood laws of Pakistan, due to which tens of thousands of innocent women are rotting in jails because they were accused of adultery instead of being a victim themselves. Muslim women in India surely are far better than in Pakistan.

And on top of that, fundamentalist Muslim lawmakers do not want these mad laws to be amended, especially the draconian “rape” laws according to which 4 male Muslim men eye-witnesses are needed to testify for a woman for her to go free, else she will be jailed for adultery.:confused:

These latest incidents also speak volumes about mad society laws in Pakistan :

Four Dead in Pakistan Honor Killing
January 10, 2006 (1 woman and 3 girls killed)

Five dead in Pakistan honour killing
August 25, 2006

Human Rights Watch
4,100 honour killing in Pakistan in just 6 years.

That must be the number of satis in the past 2 centuries in India.

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^So these r in our laws, the honor killings r allowed? Nope, n the rape law is quite contradictory to what our religion says...don't know why they don't actually read the Quran and find out what it says instead of what they want it to say.

Hey we can also talk about female infanticide in India.

Anyway ur right, mudslinging, and going back insulting one another isn't going to solve anything, we have to solve these problems with our countries first before criticizing any1 elses.

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Abiman

1) Please stay on topic. Topic is about "sati in India"

2) If you want to discuss any other topic, please make another thread.

3) Compared to Sati, which is sanctioned in Hindooism, there is nothing like honor killing sanctioned in Islam. So please understand what the point is.

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**It seems there is a demand for Dr Krevorkian in India!:( **

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Well I guess you are misinformed.

My grandfather passed away in 1974 and my grandmon passed away peacefully in'88. She did not commit sati. My neighbor's father-in-law also passed away a few years back, but his wife did not commit sati. (I and my neighbors are Hindus)

There are social evils in many countries and Pakistan and India are no exception.

So I guess we have reachead an answer to the question, "Who says stai is not practised in India?????"
The answer is "Yes, it is practised unfortunately in some remote inaccessible parts of India"

I would like to suggest mods to lock this thread as I guess we have the answer..

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Sad incident.

Sadder.

Aap tu bare well-informed lagte hein mujhe. :clap:

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burning em is wrong:(
or even killing:(

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If sati was there in hinduism, why it doesnt take place among paakistani hindus.

Lohari, your anti hindu sentiment is not sanctined in Islam. Right .

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** Who says "Stai" is not practiced in India?????????

nobody...they are still there. not only 'stai' errr.... i mean 'sati' but other social ills are still prevalent genrally in the backward areas even though is banned by law.

even police can't do anything as it hurts the religious feelings of illiterate masses in this areas. only solution is educating them against such nonsense traditions.
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dude, just get a life, india only has 50 yrs of indeoendence, and it is world's one of te fastese growing economy, but still, there are some areas which are backward, and sometimes, they do stupid stuff, look on the other side, atlease india does not crush all the minorities and kill'em like pakistan does

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dude, i just read in the newspaper that all of them are arrested, including 4 sons and 25 ppl, ha, they all are goning to jail for 7 yrs atleast, and someone said that police can't do anything

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Lahori and others...,
This was a suicide by a 95 yr old woman, who after having been married for 70+ yrs was probably not prepared for life without her husband. Read some other articles on this, and it says people tried to stop her and police was called but it could not reach in time due to heavy rains.

Trying to blame India or Hinduism for this is foolish. The evil practice of Sati involved religious/society/family elders forcing a woman to commit Sati. Lot of times the woman was under the influence of intoxicants to make it seem that she was commiting Sati volunatrily. There was no force/influence/coercion involved in this case.

In a nutshell, I am not sure what edited Lahori are trying to achieve by starting such threads other than mudslinging. And buddy, that works both ways :)

Please refrain from name-calling. - Sadiyah

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And what about Hudood…has this no sanction by religion???

I have read that there was much noise in Pak Parliament when this some normal (most probably non-Madrisa) educated Parliamenterians wanted to repeal this Law.

Cannot we oppose evil laws even if they have religious support. Hindooos do not support the Sati practice…some rare cases cannot be considered as ‘Practice’ enlarge.

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Let me stick to the topic and talk about sati in hindu scriptures. For the past few months, i have been researching and reading and visiting every other website and every other scripture. Now about the “famous” so called sati hymn mentioned in rig-veda.

In vedas every hymn is of more than 2 verses dedicated to one particular deity or cosmic energy. In this case the verses are about ‘death’.Vedas are nothing but poems and poems are not read literally always.

As far as sati goes, these verses are 10:18:7 and 10:18:8(two verses in particular)

7 Let these unwidowed dames with noble husbands adorn themselves with fragrant balm and unguent. Decked with fair jewels, tearless, free from sorrow, first let the dames go up to where he lieth.

This is a traliteration by griffith. Interpretation i have drawn-

The first verse (10:18:7) itself makes it clear - “Unwidowed dames” - unwidowed means you know its meaning. dames means a “respectable woman”. If the woman is unwidowed, why would she commit sati in the first place?.

and during her suhaag raath or first night(or at-the most can be taken as bridegrooms house), the verse is asking her to dress herself with good jewelry and also asking her to be tearless, without sorrow born of thinking about going to in-laws house. and who the heck will commit sati wearing jewelry and applying fragrant balm and fragrant unguent?. Unguents apart from being medicines, are usually applied to eyes to make women look prettier.

and this whole verse(18:7) describes the events after marriage. nothing else.

Now for the next verse (18:8)

8 Rise, come unto the world of life, O woman: come, he is lifeless by whose side thou liest. Wifehood with this thy husband was thy portion, who took thy hand and wooed thee as a lover.

In hindu custom, husband and wife is considered as the other half of each other after marriage. (know that in mythology, shiva is other half of parvathi and parvathi is other half of shiva. without parvathi, shiva is ‘shava’ (dead body)). So the word “lifeless” gives better meaning now. These very words “wifehood with thy husband was thy portion”, confirms husband and wife as portions of each other.


This hymn has 14 verses refering to death. If u Read carefully, it is asking ‘death’ not to come near people those are supposed to live. It also says to let them live for atleast 100 autumns (100 years). and asking death to leave the unwidowed dames.

Overall vedas are open for interpretation. In puranas, it may have mentioned women commiting sati and not promoting as such. I dont know.

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I have not seen or heard of any sati incident in my life, except for reading some incidents in newspapers. Such incidents become news, that itself prooves something. Don't U think?