Who says Mullahs don't have fun?

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Having been divided for a time between ‘orthodox’ Muslims and ‘liberal’ Muslims, a definite line has been drawn of which both sides rarely catch a glimpse across…

The ‘orthodox’ (as if there’s such a thing) feel that those Muslims across the divide should be guided, and being Muslims as they are, venture to bring to attention things which they find across the divide as wrong…

The ‘liberals’ (as if there’s such a thing), feel that Muslims across the divide are narrow-minded, judgemental fools who always interfere in their lives…As a result they have formed an opinion that ‘Mullahs’ in reality lead dull and boring lives…

As an experienced ‘liberal’ having joined the other side, I can tell you…That is as far from truth as possible…

Mullahs are a community unto themselves…They have their social behaviours, their camaraderie, their brotherhood and there is a sense of being belonging that I have never experienced anywhere else, and the best thing is, it’s global…

It is the same sense of belonging that Ibn Battuta felt and wrote about in all his travels throughout the Muslim lands

I can go from one state to the next and find exactly the same set of behaviours that I found in the other state and I can fit right in…No questions asked…If I want to move out, no questions asked…I can go from the States to Somalia to Iraq to China…Anywhere there’s a mosque there are Mullahs, and anywhere there are Mullahs, I can fit right in…No questions asked…

People say Mullahs don’t have fun and lead boring, morose lives, something which I myself believed in…Guys, in today’s world, there’s never a boring day if you sprout a beard or don a Hijab…Trust me, if I walk though a mall surrounded by Britney Spears, Pamela Anderson and Carmen Electra (Yeah, Yeah, I know who they are…I see things and I remember), people would notice me more than they would ever these three women…Why? Because I am a Mullah…Another Muslim would Salam me on the spot, a redneck would call me a name, a bigot would tell me to get the heck out of this country…All in all, never a boring day…

Most of my Mullah friends led very eventful lives, serving the Deen and having fun…We had video game competitions…(FIFA Championship…Damn Arabs love football too much…I lost everytime…), we had real football matches, went on hiking, BBQs and what not…All in the brotherhood…

There are no Quranic or Ahadith which forbids one from reading a good, classic book and there are thousands of them…No one stops you from going out with friends and having a good (halaal) time…And everything is more fun once it is within some confines, after all too much of a good thing gets boring…It’s like GupShup, if everything went on here like on every other forum, this would be a pretty boring forum…(So what if a mod like Xtreme likes to cross the boundaries time to time…After all, who’ll move your posts from General to other places)…

No injunctions against video games or GupShup or whatever, provided it’s nice, clean and decent fun so your life remains nice, clean and decent…If you don’t wanna observe any Islamic rule, heck, sky’s the limit…More power to you…

In fact, as a ‘liberal’ I was more unhappy, as I sought to find peace in things that only aggravated the turmoil…

But this is easier said than done…Sometimes, Allah :swt: grants the peace that people attain while some have to work hard at it…But once they do get the peace, it’s easy sailing by Allah :swt:'s grace…

May Allah :swt: grant all Muslimeen the power and guidance to become Mullahs and Mullahnis, Ameen…:maulvidis

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im a big fan of the fun mulla genre. i know about two cool mullay and one cool person with a beard who we say is a mulla but he denies the fact. i say we all skip shaving for one day to express solidarity for our brothers, our friends the cool mullay, may they congregate and eat halva to the utmost of their desires.

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Thanks for sharing Lajawab. Its true that there is more contentment of heart in halaal way of enjoying.

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Top 10 "fun activities" at a mullah meeting:

10) Sweeping the cave
9) Watching "MTV's The Real World - Medina"
8) Pinata w/a Bush effigy
7) Volleyball
6) Debating the age old question "Who's the Real Terrorist?"
5) Burning the US Flag
4) Beard scratching
3) Recanting their favorite Osama story
2) GUPSHUP
1) Tiddlywinks

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Re: Who says Mullahs don't have fun?

Interesting piece of writing, though one sentence in there stuck me as odd. Hope you can clarify.

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
If you don't wanna observe any Islamic rule, heck, sky's the limit...More power to you...
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What does it mean?

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Lajo yar, how do you cross the line when there is none? I mean from liberal to orthodox, as you said you did.

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Liberal is in the eyes of the beholder.

Doubtful that the Taliban would have let the video game tournaments procede, or would have allowed the internet. (On the other hand, Sistani has his own web site, go figure). The Taliban would have ripped down the posters of Pamela Anderson, and frankly you could be the coolest mullah in the world, but if Carmen Electra was standing next to you, you would fade into the woodwork. Dream on dude.

Ergo, Lajawab is orthodox in his own eyes, and has the right to condemn others whose behaviors he does not approve of, but he is a LIBERAL compared to the Taliban, and they would bash him for the wicked lifestyle he leads compared to them. It is all a matter of perspective.....

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Lajawab, dont they show scantily dressed men in FIFA? Isnt that haraam? Remember what your inspiration, i.e. The Taliban did to the Pakistani soccer team that came to play soccer in Afghanistan wearing those same shorts? :nono3:

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I think when the Taliban shaved the heads of teh Pakistani team, that was wrong. However what they said was right and Islamic. Men cannot wear anything that is above the knees. Thighs form the satr so they have to be covered.

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^^ just to keep the records straight...taliban shaved thier head becuase pakis did not offered namaz.....when all other spectators and afghani team was offering them..infact some team memebrs( pakistani ) declined to offer prayer...that was not allowed in islamic country ..

YEs lajawab........like it is said in quran ..peace o heart is in remeberence of ALLAH........the more you remeber ALLAH the more you have peace of your inner self....

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maybe its a matter of perspective and definitions? Judging from what you say in this post alone, I would call you a liberal anyday.

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I’m not a mullah (I’m not a man!) but from what I’ve read in hadith and stuff, never does it say anywhere that we should not have fun. I was searching for this particular hadith but could not find it so I will paraphrase. A young man had just gotten married and he was very enthusiastic about worshipping Allah so he prayed a lot I think and probably fasted a lot. His father was angry because he did not go and enjoy his wife and he went to the prophet saw for it and the prophet saw said that your body has demands on you, your wife has demands on you. So basically, he was encouagred to practice moderation. Sorry if I got some details wrong! Here are some other hadiths that I found interesting and relevant:

A similar tradition is reported by Bukhari. Some companions of God’s Messenger resolved to engage in worship; one said that he would pray all night; another said that he would always fast and never stop; the third said that he would never marry and never have any relations with women. God’s Messenger heard about them and said, “I swear by God that I fear God and realise my responsibilities to Him more than you, but this is my way: I fast sometimes and sometimes I do not fast; I pray during the night and sleep as well; and marry women. Anyone who does not like my way has no relation with me.”

Anas reported God’s Messenger as saying, “Don’t be too cruel to yourselves, certain nations adopted severity towards themselves so God punished them. You can see their remnants in churches and monasteries.” **Muhammad forbade asceticism and renunciation of the normal pleasures of life, nor did he like perpetual and formal prayers in isolation. He told people to live the normal lives of ordinary human beings, for service to God was done through pure lives in the turmoil of this world. He wanted men to mix with other men **, so that they could discipline themselves and learn resistance to evil and uphold the standard of Truth and Justice against heavy odds, wherever necessary.’

Abu Hurairah reported God’s Messenger as saying, “Religion is easy, but if anyone overdoes it, it gets the better of him, so keep to the right course, approximate to perfection and rejoice.” Ibn Abbas reported God’s Messenger as saying, “A good manner of conduct and moderation are a twenty-fifth part of Prophethood.” God’s Messenger is also reported to have said, "Moderation is the best of actions.‘’ He lived the moderate life of an ordinary person, though he was God’s Messenger and ruler of a state. He enjoyed the ordinary pleasures of life, worked like an ordinary man in his house and in public, upheld the principles of Truth and Justice in his privas well as public life and always abstained from the extremes of life

… and his Salat (prayer) was of a moderate length

At the time the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) ordered the people to perform acts of worship, he warned them against going to extremes (in practicing religion). He did so in order to prevent them from harming themselves physically or spiritually and from neglecting their other responsibilities and activities.

http://www.prophetmuhammed.org/Character.asp

So basically, to sum it up, the prophet saw encouraged us to practice moderation, both normal people and the moulvis and scholars and stuff. we arent forbidden from having fun or ignoring our responsibilities in this world or our responsibility to ourselves to go and have fun.

sorry for the long post but i was thinking of these hadiths when i read the thread, especially Stu’s idiotic and ignorant reply so i thought id post.

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The Taliban are not perfect Muslims so what do they matter? I think Lajawab’s point was that being a good Muslim doesn’t mean that all you do is pray, it can (and should!) involve having fun too and enjoying ourselves and leading a life within the confines of Islam was encouraged by the Prophet Muhammed :saw:

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Stu: *
Top 10 "fun activities" at a mullah meeting:

10) Sweeping the cave
9) Watching "MTV's The Real World - Medina"
8) Pinata w/a Bush effigy
7) Volleyball
6) Debating the age old question "Who's the Real Terrorist?"
5) Burning the US Flag
4) Beard scratching
3) Recanting their favorite Osama story
2) GUPSHUP
1) Tiddlywinks
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This is totally uncalled for. You better have an idea what you are talking about. Do you even know what Mullah means? or you just go by the propoganda fed to you by the media?

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Stu: *
Top 10 "fun activities" at a mullah meeting:

10) Sweeping the cave
9) Watching "MTV's The Real World - Medina"
8) Pinata w/a Bush effigy
7) Volleyball
6) Debating the age old question "Who's the Real Terrorist?"
5) Burning the US Flag
4) Beard scratching
3) Recanting their favorite Osama story
2) GUPSHUP
1) Tiddlywinks
[/QUOTE]

shows the ignorance of american people. tisk tisk

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[QUOTE]
This is totally uncalled for. You better have an idea what you are talking about.
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shows the ignorance of american people. tisk tisk
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boohoo you two, it was lighthearted humor in the spirit of "Mullah Lajawab's" original post. I mean c'mon how much fun could a bunch of mullahs really have? They are all the same sex, dress the same, think the same etc.. do you really think hangin w/them would be a blast?

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Do you even know what Mullah means? or you just go by the propoganda fed to you by the media?
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I don't know, does GUPSHUP count as the media? Because everything I learned about Islam came from there/here. And, I got 10/10 on the test Nadia put on this forum last week so put that in your pipe and smoke it. Can mullah's smoke btw or is that haram?

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I’m not that religious but I would never look down on those who are. Sadly I’m “moderate” when it comes to obeying the Law in all spheres of my life and I admit this is my shortcoming and sin and hope to improve on it, but views wise I’d be an “extremist”, I agree with what those who follow Islam properly say and going against that would be Kuffr.

I know for a fact being a “Mullah” is not boring, far from it, the peace, happiness and contentness they have is something moderate Muslims and other human beings can only dream off.

Those Muslims know how to have fun whilst staying within the limits prescribed by Islam.

Islam is not too hard or oppressive. It allows us to fulfil our natural needs and desires and also have hobbies but there’s limits and guidelines for these.

If we look there’s so many things we can do which will benefit our Deen, mind and body but everyone including me is more attracted to the Haraam things, there’s always a Halaal alternative, we just have to look.

Satan just makes it seem hard but once you enter that bubble, you’re there and experiencing the grace of God, it’s joyful.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Stu: *
boohoo you two, it was lighthearted humor in the spirit of "Mullah Lajawab's" original post. I mean c'mon how much fun could a bunch of mullahs really have? They are all the same sex, dress the same, think the same etc.. do you really think hangin w/them would be a blast?
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Stu, I doubt mullah's think the same. In matters of religion yes but we are not prohibited from talking about other things. They may have very different views when it comes to politics or sports and literature, philosophy. There is a wealth of things to talk about besides women, music, and drugs and alcohol and dancing. Surely you don't limit yourself to only those topics, that would be sad. As for dressing the same, who says they do? As long as the vital parts are covered as per Islamic regulations they can wear anything in the world they want.

As for being the same sex yeah, they are because we are prohibited from socializing with the opposite sex any more than necessary. You will probably now say that gupshup involoves socializing with others but most people on gs are hardly perfect Muslim. If you want to see what is right and wrong, you should look at the lives of the prophet saw and his companions.

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I don't know, does GUPSHUP count as the media? Because everything I learned about Islam came from there/here. And, I got 10/10 on the test Nadia put on this forum last week so put that in your pipe and smoke it. Can mullah's smoke btw or is that haram?
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Yes gupshup probably counts as media, there is a lot of bias here and 90% of the times I have heard the word mullah, it has been in a derogatory context. So if you have learned the meaning of this word from gs, I think you ought to look elsewhere for the right meaning or maybe even seek one out yourself and see how they live their lives and what constitues fun for them.

And please don't limit yourself to learning about Islam from here. Like I said, most of us are not perfect Muslims so if you want to learn about Islam, learn about those who were perfect (the prophet saw and the companions). it makes sense doesnt it, if you wanted to know about a disease you wouldnt seek out a layman wpould you, you'd seek out a doctor.

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It’s so funny to see non Muslims claiming all this Islamic knowledge just cuz they read a few posts in the religion forum. :rotfl:

Mullahs rule :dhimpak:

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Is there a pope song for Mullahs by Cindy Lauper?

Mulls just wana have fun,

I come home after madrassa fight
my mama says when you gonna live your life right
oh mother dear we're not the fortunate ones
and Mulls they wanna have fun
oh Mulls just wanna have fun