Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
Its very clear now :
Musharraf and his rogue Intelligence (MI) killed Benazir. They have done such horrific things in the past and they did it again!
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
Dude mush is not in army- but is not totally connected to army ??
I don't take it dude, its not in the interests of army, gov & pml-q to kill her. What happened is whole country is burning, more hate against army, pml-q is becoming history.
Who got more stakes? USA/India/ISrael & taliban/al-qaida
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
Its very clear now : Musharraf and his rogue Intelligence (MI) killed Benazir. They have done such horrific things in the past and they did it again!
Lets says they did it? but what they gain ? Fast departure of Mushi & inhallination of pml-q?
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
Lets says they did it? but what they gain ? Fast departure of Mushi & inhallination of pml-q?
IN a country where dictators rule the nation. Sure.
Re: Who Killed Benazir? A Poll
Musharraf killed Benazir its very obvisous. He was scared of her popularity in Pakistan and acceptance in the west. The Military agencies of Pakistan killed her and blame it on Talibans. The Talibans however have denied it and have said that she was their sister.
Who gained by her death?
Offcourse Musharraf!
Plus Mohterma clearly pointed out three names all belonging to Musharraf's Military intelligence services. The party Spokersperson of PPP Baber Awaan also pointed finger at Pakistani Military.
Re: Who Killed Benazir? A Poll
USA is interested in this region because of Qaeda/Taleban, not because they want to disintegrate Pak. They understand it is too risky, and that they don't have enough political will and money to achieve.
Destruction of Pak is not possible without Army's agreement, and Army will not let go of a country which is making their pockets full.
So we agree, its because of Army Pakistan is not broke into pieces yet. Or no foreign aggression happened?
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
IN a country where dictators rule the nation. Sure.
Think logically yaar, if seccret service wanted her to die. They can do it in dubai too. Because of her death, whole gov is back off.
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
Lets says they did it? but what they gain ? Fast departure of Mushi & inhallination of pml-q?
E33or, Mush is a hard headed commando. The guy started kargel war by him self. American call him "not easily manageable"
I do like him for having serious backbone. But he sold us to americans.
IF any one could have gotten all opposition killed in pakistan entire history, I wouldbe none other then him.
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
E33or, Mush is a hard headed commando. The guy started kargel war by him self. American call him "not easily manageable" I do like him for having serious backbone. But he sold us to americans. IF any one could have gotten all opposition killed in pakistan entire history, I wouldbe none other then him.
She was in country because of power sharing agreement between her and mushi. It was american and whole west behind the deal. Its just not like that. Even bush & rest of the world is not talking against Gov of Pakistan except cnn.
Re: Who Killed Benazir? A Poll
MUSHARAF! **(the only person who could benefit from her death..i.e. Bush will now let him stay his favorite dog and go after him wagging his tail).
**AGENCIES: MUSHARAF WITH HIS OWN PUPPIES...Who got scared after seeing the support system she got when she went back to Pakistan!
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
I don't know man. Its just not right.
Funny thing is we are never going to know.
So who ever is of any significance in pakistan were/would be killed/screwed.
And our beloved PTV work hard to make it look normal. That is the life being pakistani.
Recently we getting new traditions set in pakistan. I hope some investigate her murder and tell people, setting up a new/much needed tradition in pak.
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
Lets says they did it? but what they gain ? Fast departure of Mushi & inhallination of pml-q?
He gained an easy victory....with top protestor out. Benazir was too much for him to handle. It was Benazir who forced him to take his uniform off...obviously the Rascal in Uniform was very pissed . People Party Senior leadership has clearly pointed out that its the Military who killed their leader
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
I don't know man. Its just not right. Funny thing is we are never going to know. So who ever is of any significance in pakistan were/would be killed/screwed. And our beloved PTV work hard to make it look normal. That is the life being pakistani.
Recently we getting new traditions set in pakistan. I hope some investigate her murder and tell people, setting up a new/much needed tradition in pak.
You know what , i am with you in this. I don't know too.
Re: Taliban deny involvement in benzeer's Murder.
He gained an easy victory....with top protestor out. Benazir was too much for him to handle. It was Benazir who forced him to take his uniform off...obviously the Rascal in Uniform was very pissed . People Party Senior leadership has clearly pointed out that its the Military who killed their leader
lakeer k fakeer ... because of her death. Mushi is going sooner then expected and pml-q is history.
Re: Who Killed Benazir? A Poll
MUSHARAF! **(the only person who could benefit from her death..i.e. Bush will now let him stay his favorite dog and go after him wagging his tail). **AGENCIES: MUSHARAF WITH HIS OWN PUPPIES...Who got scared after seeing the support system she got when she went back to Pakistan!
Their is new thread started "she was looking for israel protection" it will be enough for you.
Let’s Blame it on the ‘Agencies’
She has been assassinated and most Pakistanis believe that this is a work of Agencies because Taliban are not ‘smart’ enough to carry out this attack. Besides, only agencies and Government of Pakistan are set to gain from this political turmoil. Whenever, something happens in Pakistan that is beyond the intellect of you and me then we blame agencies (Hidden Forces). Be it assassination of Zia, Murtaza Bhutto, Hakeem Saeed, Liaquat Ali khan and many more but let’s focus on this particular murder and see who are the biggest gainers and losers in the present circumstances. In my viewpoint, people who have made most out of this situation is PPP itself because whenever the elections helds in the future, PPP would emerge as clear winners. There is no doubt in my mind about this and contrary to some reports that they might boycott it, they won’t. The next year elections would be the biggest victory for the PPP in the history of Pakistan. That’s a foregone conclusion. And now who are the biggest losers: President Musharraf and his allies ( Chaudaries). I can’t see chaudheries winning even in Punjab (North) now and let alone the whole country. There is more pressure on Musharraf from inside and outside to resign than ever before. People who blame Mushi and his cronies, for this sad killing of Mohtarama, are forgetting that they didn’t get anything out of it and their political future is hanging in balance. Next Question is who killed her? Well, it could be ‘agencies’ , Taliban, ‘rogue elements within PPP itself’ or some foreign hand.
But what are they going to gain from this?
Taliban: They have killed an ‘American Agent’ and Pakistan is paak now. They are senseless bunch of mullahs anyway who don’t think before or after their ‘deeds’
Agencies: Could be many reasons. she might have become national security threat or could be dangerous for country had PPP won Jan8 elections under her leadership but it’s too early for anything. Whether, you believe it or not they have done ‘things’ in Greater national interest and history have proved it again and again.
‘Rogue Elements within PPP’: It’s highly unlikely but you can’t rule out anything in Pakistan.
but irrespective of who killed her, implications of her murder won’t be as serious as people have been predicting since last few days (inshallah) because Pakistan is much stronger than people think it is.
Read this Article posted in Dailytimes, it explains WHO Pakistanis think kill her:
News Analysis: Who killed Benazir Bhutto?
By Najam Sethi
The assassination of Benazir Bhutto has raised two important questions. Who killed her and why? And what happens next to the Pakistan People’s Party and by corollary to Pakistani politics?
Most Pakistanis are by instinct inclined to believe that the “agencies” did it. This is the easy explanation for anything that happens in this country which is either inexplicable or unpalatable. All political assassinations in Pakistan remain inexplicable since the truth about them has never been investigated or investigated but not made public. But the truth of Ms Bhutto’s assassination may also be subliminally unacceptable to many Pakistanis because a religious or “Islamist” element may be at its unpleasant core.
This response is also partly due to the ubiquitous role of the “agencies” in ordering Pakistan’s political contours since the 1980s, including making and unmaking governments and elections. So we can hardly be blamed for suspecting the “agencies” or clutching at half-baked theories. Certainly, the political opposition to President Pervez Musharraf would like everyone to think so. It suits the politicians’ purpose because it discredits the Musharraf regime and seeks to exploit the widespread anger and outrage at the killing of a popular leader to try and overthrow him.
But if the “agencies” have done this at President Musharraf’s bidding, why is no one asking about their motives for doing so, or whether this suits him in any way, considering that it is likely to provoke a popular movement to undo his regime? Indeed, why is no one wondering whether there is some non-agency link between Ms Bhutto’s assassination and the assassination attempts on the lives of President Musharraf (two), the former corps commander of Karachi, Ahsan Saleem Hayat (one), the former prime minister Shaukat Aziz (one) and the former interior minister Aftab Sherpao (two)? Surely, the “agencies” did not target these gentlemen.
Of course, Ms Bhutto did not make any explanations easier following the assassination attempt on her on 18 October when she pointed to “remnants” of the Zia regime in the Musharraf administration, including some former “agency” people. Apparently, she had been given to understand as much, but by whom and why we will never know.
There may also have been an element of political opportunism in her accusations at the time. She was trying to distance herself from President Musharraf to regain her credibility because most Pakistanis were unhappy at the prospect of a “deal” between her and him. Indeed, she was seen as being let off the hook regarding the corruption cases against her in exchange for agreeing to work with him at a time when he was terribly unpopular both for his political blunders regarding the judiciary and also for his pro-US stance on the “war against terror”. Most Pakistanis saw this war an unjust American war and not a just Pakistani war.
Later, however, Ms Bhutto saw the writing on the wall and changed tack. She started to say that the biggest threat to Pakistan lay in religious extremism and terrorism, a clear allusion to the Al Qaeda network that was trying to lay down roots in Pakistan’s tribal areas as part of its global strategy after Iraq to reclaim Afghanistan and make Pakistan a base area for Islamic revolution.
Shortly before she returned to Pakistan, Daily Times reported a statement by Baitullah Mehsud, an Al Qaeda-Taliban warlord based in Waziristan, saying that he had trained “hundreds of suicide bombers” and was determined to kill Benazir Bhutto because she was an American agent. The story was based on an interview given to Daily Times by a sitting member of the Pakistan senate who has been a conduit for Masud’s statements and who had recently met him.
The story was not denied for two weeks and disregarded until the assassination attempt provoked widespread outrage in Pakistan and refocused attention on Al Qaeda. But sections of the media sympathetic to Al Qaeda’s anti-American aims and objectives now quickly pounced on Daily Times and accused it of wilfully carrying an erroneous report. The senator was dragged to a TV studio and made to recant his statement and much was made of the motives of Daily Times in airing such a story. Later, a statement from Baitullah Masud was floated denying involvement in the assassination attempt on October 18. Last month, however, Baitullah Masud gave up pretences and formally announced himself as the head of the Taliban Movement of Pakistan.
Why is it difficult to believe that the same Islamist network that tried to eliminate President Musharraf, Shaukat Aziz, Aftab Sherpao and Benazir Bhutto on October 18 may be responsible for her murder on December 27? The first three have overtly been involved in the “war against terror” while Ms Bhutto had pledged many times to wipe out the extremists and terrorists if she was returned to power. All were seen as “American agents” or “puppets”.
In the case of President Musharraf, it was later revealed that “rogue elements” in the “agencies” or “forces” may have been involved as Al Qaeda “supplementaries” or “accessories” in the assassination attempts on his life. Indeed, in many of the Al Qaeda attacks on the armed forces and paramilitary forces, especially those in Islamabad and Rawalpindi, low-level “insider” elements with contacts with the Lal Masjid, which was part of the Al Qaeda network, are known to have been involved. How else can one explain the Al Qaeda attacks on ISI busses in Islamabad in which civilian employees of the agency have been killed?
Clearly, Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan doesn’t just comprise Arabs and Uzbeks and Tajiks. It also comprises Pakistanis; and among such Pakistanis it comprises Pathans and Punjabis and possibly Urdu speakers who constitute the Pakistani Taliban. Certainly, it is known that a number of Pakistani sectarian and jihadi Sunni organisations have joined the Al Qaeda Network after the government launched efforts to disband them since the “peace process” started with India. So Al Qaeda is now as much a Pakistani phenomenon as it is an Arab or foreign element.
There is not much room for doubt on this score any more. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, the number two Al Qaeda man, has already gone public in his exhortations to Pakistanis to overthrow the Musharraf regime. Indeed, last September Bin Laden declared a jihad against the Musharraf regime. Now, following the assassination of Ms Bhutto on December 27, an Al Qaeda spokesman and Afghanistan commander Mustafa Abu Al-Yazid telephoned the Italian news agency AKI to make the claim that his organisation had killed Ms Benazir Bhutto “because she was a precious American asset”. This should have reminded Pakistanis that their country is in the midst of a global war against religious extremism. But the tragedy is that it hasn’t.
There is no inconsistency between what Ms Bhutto said on October 18 after the assassination attempt on her life about remnants of the Zia regime gunning for her and what she said in Rawalpindi on December 27 about terrorists and extremists targeting her minutes before one of them succeeded in eliminating her. Now Al Qaeda’s primary targets are President Musharraf and Maulana Fazlur Rehman and its sole objective is to destabilise Pakistan and sow the seeds of anarchy by scuttling its halting transition to a moderate democracy.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\12\29\story_29-12-2007_pg1_6
Re: Let's Blame it on the 'Agencies'
Well.
only one question.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT GETTING PROPER INVESTIGATION DONE??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????
not ragtag taliban for sure.
Who is trying to hide the truth ?????????????????
Re: Let's Blame it on the 'Agencies'
!00 percent Confirmed thats it the Agencies of Pakistan who did it on Order of Musharraf!
Re: Let's Blame it on the 'Agencies'
^^ yar tell me whats the situation is demanding right now in Pakistan ? .. Burry her as fast as it gets out of Gov hands. Come on yaar, stop the blame game.
Re: Let's Blame it on the 'Agencies'
!00 percent Confirmed thats it the Agencies of Pakistan who did it on Order of Musharraf!
Think about it for a second, what Musharraf is going to gain from this? His position has already been considerably weakened and it would be foolish on his part to order that killing for his own benefits.