this is to all my punjabi brothers and sisters .though iam not a punjabi by birth but i have always liked the punjabi language and the punjabi culture infact i have learned to speak punjabi recently
i love the punjabi songs and the punjabi folk
but one thing that always bothers me is who is the real punjabi i mean is it the muslim punjabi or the sikh and hindu combine
as far as i know all the punjabi love stories and the legends have been muslims
heer/ranjha sohni/mahiwal mirza, and the rest
all the major punjabi singers leave aside the current daler mehni etc.
but all the major singers have have been muslims bade gulam ali khan sahab , mohd rafi
etc most of the indian punjabi osngs are copied from the paksitani folk songs
so i wonder who is the ral punjabi?
can someone please explain?
Well they have their own Punjab, but I believe our Punjab has more diversity, i mean the Punjabi people on our side are all different colours and ancestory.
Punjabi people are very open-heated, tough, brave, hardworking and industrious, they make good soldiers, good farmers, good workers and good friends.
i agree with PJ...
yes mate . im punjabi too..and agree 100% with what u have just said
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Punjabi people are very open-heated, tough, brave, hardworking and industrious, they make good soldiers, good farmers, good workers and good friends.**
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one would agree with this statement mostly. however, on the flip side, the opinion among non-punjabis is often that punjabis are vain, try to show off wealth (making money is not enough, u have to show it), delhi in india which has more punjabis is considered unsafe for women compared to calcutta or poona or even bombay according to indian women who have been to all these places, there is also opinion that punjabis try to get their way with physical power whenever possible. punjab has a wonderful contribution from musicians to poets to writers, but punjab does not boast a culturally sophisticated elite appreciating classical art and likes that exists in calcutta or chennai. but people admire and simultaneously hate the guts of punjabis.
yup…agree with u ullu…i dont’ have anythin against punjabis, but my punjabi friends are just soooo full of themselves…“sadday yeh, sadday woh” i mean we’re nawabs but i don’t go around sayin it and all…i dont’ think that there is much of a punjabi culture either…i mean u can’t even read or write punjabi?! its just broken up urdu. There r good ppl and bad ppl everywhere…but all the punjabis i have come across just think too much of emselves. ppl from lucknow, aligar, amroha, delhi are way more refined and city ppl whilst most of punjabis are villagers (i 'm talkin bout heritage here…not bout foreign punjabis
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…but we aren’t so over confident bout ourselves…not as much as punjabis…don’t mean to be stepping on anyones toes here…just my opinion
Punjabis are also refined and cultured, its bs to say that we show off etc, you just can't generalise it's like saying Delhi, Lucknow lot are a bunch of effeminate weak people.
Punjabis generally make good farmers, good soldiers and good friends.
What do you mean no Punjabi culture, have you ever heard Safool-Mulooq by Mian Muhammed Baksh, the great Sufi Poets of Punjab, the great lyrical stories of Laila, Majnu etc.
whose sayin i’m generalizing…i’m talkin bout my friends and what i have seen…they say that there the best and all..that there lang is the best (so good infact that u can’t read or write it
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)…that they won’t defend u in front of another punjabi (even if u r right) jsut cuz ure not punjabi (hate the double standards)…
“it’s like saying Delhi, Lucknow lot are a bunch of effeminate weak people.”
the word is not weak…its humble.
so my friend, im not generalizing, just voicin my opinion basing it on what i have gone thru with my 'friends"…
i DID say that there are good ppl and bad ppl everywhere…in each culture…
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What do you mean no Punjabi culture, have you ever heard Safool-Mulooq by Mian Muhammed Baksh, the great Sufi Poets of Punjab, the great lyrical stories of Laila, Majnu etc.**
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ok..hai culture, lekin jitna ghuroor hain (proudness), utna koi vast culture bhi nahin hai....
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Originally posted by kabir:
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but one thing that always bothers me is who is the real punjabi i mean is it the muslim punjabi or the sikh and hindu combine
as far as i know all the punjabi love stories and the legends have been muslims
heer/ranjha sohni/mahiwal mirza, and the rest
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Kabir,
Punjabi is not a religion therefore being muslim, hindu or sikh doesnt apply here. Same as being a sindhi doesnt imply that one is a muslim or hindu or any other religion.
Punjabi is a person who lives in the region of punjab speaks punjabi and traditionally owns a land there.
Punjab was there when muslims came here abd hindus were living here. Majority of them converted to Islam and lastly 400yrs back due to religious movement called sikhism some of them converted to sikhs and some of them converted back to become muslims.
Punjabi is the 13th most spoken language in the world. There are more than 110 million people in the world who speak Punjabi. Largest number of people who speak this language live in Pakistan and India. There are sizable punjabi speaking communities in many countries in the world including U.K., Canada, USA.
Khawateen,
I think u met punjabis who have recently got rich and r under some complex. What make punjabis is their roots in soil. There sense of sharing. There is a marked diference in people who were in agriculture and those who do business since business people treat everything in business sense. Take even the example of India sikhs are people who did most of the agri. and hindus went for business. There is a big difference in their approach to life. Although intense industrialization have forced villiagers to goto cities and in coming yrs they may not be much difference between the two, but still if u speak of punjabis they would be most likely to treat relations in which they dont go for profit and loss.
Punjabis love the land, that is why we are famous for being farmers the land is who we are, punjab is the breadbasket of Pakistan.
As for being obsessed with wealth, punjabis are some of the most generous people there are.
All ethnic groups are part of Punjab from Pathans, Gujraties, Mughals even people from UP.
yes..but the ppl i’m talkin bout aren’t even rich…i think they r just screwed up
khawateen,
Unfortunately u might have met the wrong sample of punjabis...
I agree with Degas there are cultured Punjabis and there are non-cultured Punjabis just as there are non-cultured and cultured people from UP. The non-cultured people from UP are usually quite poor and uneducated compared to non-cultured Punjabis of which lot of them have migrated to foreign lands, and tend to moderately educated.
There are lot of Sikhs (Punjabis) that are business class and professionals, agricultural class comprises mostly of Jats on both sides of the border.
Most of the Punjabis are generous, hard working, love life and are not calculating.
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Unfortunately, I haven't had very good expereinces with Punjabis either. They've mostly been prejudiced and have dragged Pathan/Punjabi comparison whenever possible. It's really pathetic.
I'm not generalizing by the way.
Who says nothing is impossible? I've been doing nothing all my life!
Khan ji, i'm sad that you have had bad experiences with some Punjabi people, but i would like to assure you that most Punjabis regard Pathans as their brothers.
There are idiots in every society.
Hum Sa Ho To Samne Aaye
isi leye kehta hun, ache Punjabiun se mila karo…
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chat par kab aa rahi ho…
ullu
i guess some of thing you have said ae true?
but still there is something unique about punjabis which i admire
but someone plz explain why most of the love stories in punabi happen involve muslims
all the punjabi legends are muslim?
There has been other legends in Punjab who were not Muslims e.g. Sucha Soorma, Jeoona MauRh, Puran Bhagat and Loona etc. The reason the legends of Heer Ranjha, SaibaN, and Sohni etc are more popular is that they have been written so well by the poets. The story of Heer Ranjha for example is not an extra oridnary event. The rich employeer's daughter falling in love with an employee is a scene happened too many times in Punjab and rest fo the world but the way Waris wrote it made this story immortal and anyone who speaks punjabi and can udnerstand Waris's Heer, the question of Heer and Ranjha's religion does not even come to mind. They are accepted as theirs by every Punjabi regardless of their religion.
To the main question of Who is the real Punjabi?
The one who speaks Punjabi, has the Punjabi blood running through his/her vains, Love the land of five rivers and have good wishes for it in his/her heart.....without thinking about it as indian or pakistani.
True there are some good qualities that Punjabis hold...most of them like quick adaptation to new and changing environments, hardworking, living the moment etc have been a result of the past many centuries of continous political and demographic turmoil that they have faced.
On the other hand I also find lot of Punjabis, very low in self-esteem and holding inferiority complexes about their language and culture, looking upto outsiders for guidance than their own, opportunistic and divided every way imaginable.