Who is that faceup behind the mask?

Hey freak,

can you quote any verses from the Qur'an, which we the muslims are going against. Yeah, we follow the definition of Mercy and Compassion, upon the understanding of the Messenger of Allah(saw). All you have done is quote the definitions of Mercy & Compassion from the people destined for the Hellfire. Yes Allah is the one who says that He is Merciful and Compassionate. Then he explains all this within the Qur'an, which you dare not go into, for Iblees would become very angry. For example cutting of the hand of the thief is correct because it's a command from Allah: "Cut off the hand of the thief, male or female as a recompense for that which they committed."

Anybody who wants to know what this freak is and what he looks like behind the brown bag, just look at the hypocrite Kadyrov. The one who has put all his efforts in helping the Russians against the Chechen muslims, in return for alcohol, women and money. If you were to look at his call, you'd realize where this freak got it from.

Hey freak, explain your laws and then explain how they are superior to the Shariah. Since if you cant't then we conclude that reason you are calling for the abolishment of Shariah laws, is cause you are a pervert, looking for cheap ways to fulfill your carnal desires (pornography, women being treated as sex objects, your pathetic punishment for harrasment of women, etc. are all proofs of this.)

Are you gonna explain or are you a WIMP.

Laterz freak.

Xtreme Yaar

When you say:
"Prove me wrong; take up MY challenge; bring me one example of a society that practises tolerance and compassion for all."

It sounds like you are trying to base Islam in the image of others. You seem to be implying that if there is no compassion or tolerance in other societies in its truest sense, then Islam doesn't have to be tolerant either. This is what you 're saying!

In that case, why is Islam different than any other religions?

Since it is; and, it is the FINAL REVELATION, that is why Compassion & Tolerance have to be the cornerstone of Islam - in PARACTISE, not just words; so others may base their societies in the image of a just & tolerant Islam.

Faceup, that bag is still obscuring your view.

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It sounds like you are trying to base Islam in the image of others. You seem to be implying that if there is no compassion or tolerance in other societies in its truest sense, then Islam doesn't have to be tolerant either. This is what you 're saying!
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Read it again...and punch out some bigger eyeholes in your paper bag.

What I am saying is that other societies preach airy-fairy luv'n'peace religions, but in reality they practice warfare and capital adventurism.

Islam is truthful religion b/c it acknowledges man's nature (good and bad side)and accomodates it.

If you want to emphasise compassionate and tolerant nature of islam then stop writing dumb posts like 'The holy book of ignorance'.

Logical aka faceup,
let's see if you have the guts to answer this question.

Are you more knowledgeable about the meaning of Mercy or Compassion or the Messenger(saw)?

Did the Messenger(saw) practice the Mercy and Compassion, which you are talking about?

Every person who calls himself a muslim will answer these questions without hesitancy?

Ciao.

Xtreme,

When you say:

"If you want to emphasise compassionate and tolerant nature of islam then stop writing dumb posts like 'The holy book of ignorance'."

In other words you want me to shut up; so, the extremists can keep on abusing Islam to suit their goals. There is a saying: in order to make an omlette you have to break some eggs. By posting this news item has served to create awareness and make a statement that Islam, as practised by majority, does not reflect current time & place.

You state:
"Islam is truthful religion b/c it acknowledges man's nature (good and bad side)and accomodates it."

Islam accomodates the good & the ugly -Surely, you jest! In Islam there is no room for the ugliness that is accomodated in the sharia'h laws.

To Salafi,
Looks like I'll have to add 'freak' to the lexicon of names that people can address me with. Thank you.

[This message has been edited by faceup (edited July 11, 2000).]

so you can't answer the questions. not man enough to admit it. such a loser.

This is too much confusion going around and around in a spiral fashion.

Faceup. Lists the things you find annoying with Shariah Laws, so each item can be discussed separately.

Let’s see what is, in your opinion, so “non-compassionate” and “non-tolerant” about Shariah laws, or with the interpretation of Quran? One item at a time please. For example, I personally think that “Hadud” Laws are draconian, the severe punishments laws are barbaric, “Jazia” law is also wicked, but I wouldn’t go around saying that all of “Shariah” Laws (as interpreted differently in different parts of the world) are defective in their entirety. So let’s be a bit more specific.

Good move NYAhmadi.

People, try to stick to specifics that are being discussed rather than accusations and allegations.

faceup,

Name calling, be it issued by you or received by you accomplishes nothing. Not only do you throw the discussion off track, you lose your credibility as a formidable discussion partner.

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Originally posted by salafi:
**Hey freak,

can you quote any verses from the Qur'an, which we the muslims are going against.

Are you gonna explain or are you a WIMP.

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Hey salafi – please be my guest… show us the verses which don’t go against Muslims.

Salafi, reality is very difficult to accept. Your statement is very biased and egotistical, you even don’t know how prop your parents are… how can you judge other hearts… Secondly the way you address others is not a Muslims way of conversation.

~ your reply is quite self-explanatory about your prejudice thoughts.

Sorry to see that.

NY & Muzna,

The sharia’h laws that are offensive have been discussed in various threads, in great details, here on Gupshup, but I shall list them again.

First, important information re: Sharia’h laws. I strongly recommend reading it and not jumping straight to Examples of Abuses and various links.

DEFINITION:
The word Sharia’h means Flexible, Fluid. The definition of Shatia’h laws:
“..the Shari’ah is seen by most Muslims as a changing body of law, subject to what we call the fiqh, the capacity for evolving interpretation.”

MISCONCEPTIONS:
The biggest misconception about Sharia’h laws is the belief that Sharia’h laws are from God; nothing can be further from the truth. God did not create Sharia’h laws or Islamic Laws - men did; or, for Sunni Islam, the sharia laws were created by their theologians; and, these were based on “THEIR PARTICULAR INTERPRETATION OF Quran & Sunnah”.

I have to emphasize again that Sharia’h was a creation of men ACCORDING TO THEIR INTERPRETATION or whims & fancies".

SEVENTH CENTURY LAWS ETCHED IN STONE & FOREVER:
God, of course created Quran and, Quran alone is forever! The holy text is subject to interpretations; as such, the sharia’h laws, based on such interpretations, that guide us in this complex world should REFLECT the current time & place; and, these shariah laws do not!

They(sharia laws) are fixated on a certain time & place, i.e. the 7th century; as many sharia’h laws directly collide with human rights, dignity & decency - they are seen more as abuse of Allah’s work.

Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan rule strictly by the Shariah laws based on Quran and Sunnah. So, we have a real live reference point to go to or, evaluate how these laws are be used or abused.

EXAMPLES:
Here’s some Sharia’h laws that we are all familiar with:

1)Islamic Laws on Women:
These laws regulates a woman’s position in the Society: Laws on Education, Work, Marriage, Status within marriage,Divorce, Inheritance, Property, Adultery, Contracts, Women as witness, Movement, Dress, Veils.

2)Islamic Laws on Kafirs:
Defnition of kafirs, social & economical status of kafirs, legal discrimination against those defined as kafirs, killing of kafirs encouraged using religious texts, Hatred preached against Kafirs in religious institutions, madrasas.

3)Islamic Laws on Apostasy:
Lack of freedom to practise one’s faith, Total restriction on criticism of Islam and its Prophet, Conversion of muslims prohibited, Conversion of non-muslims permitted, Powers to jail without trial, Penalty of death in cases of blasphemy, Pakistan’s blasphemey law.

4)Islamic Laws on Crimes:
Stoning to death, Beheading, Amputation of limbs, Honour killings, Rise in rapes & gang rapes.

5)Islamic Laws on Human Rights:
Human Rights are according to the Shariah; thus, no freedom of choose, express and live according to one’s conviction & preferences. Most of sharia laws contravene the human rights code.

6)Islamic Laws on Media & Entertainment:
Recent examples of trashing televisions, vcrs, movie houses; closing down of newspapers; ban on magazines, newspapers, etc.

DISCUSSION OF SHARIA LAW’S ABUSE:
Here’s the list of topics discussed here on Gupshup that has Sharia Laws in reference to Women, Non-Believers, Kafirs, Human Rights, Jihad!

The status of muslim women and her rights. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000987.html

Muslim Women & Non-Muslims Equally repressed & discriminated! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001016.html

Islamic Terrorism: Islam thru eyes of non-muslim! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000971.html

WHEN ISLAMIC LAWS COLLIDE WITH PROGRESS! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000852.html

120 Wives and Counting; Abuse of ancient laws! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000973.html

DIVORCE by e-mail ! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000981.html

Now wait a minute, I see that some of the laws you mentioned have common understanding of what they are about and all, but I think it would be a lot better if you can list the actual text of those laws as it is recorded in the official document (the constitution, decrees etc) of the particular country you are talking about.

For example, if I were to talk about first amendment of US constitution, I would need to provide the exact text of it and then debate on it.

That is, of course, if you have the exact text available.

And part of the reason that I said that was because you mentioned certain things like Honor Killings in there, and I don't think the law subscribe to honor killing practice.

Why not post one law at a time then we can debate the pros and cons properly? It's all a bit vague at the moment.

Roman,
The texts of sharia'h laws comparable to secular constitutions laws are either not available or they exits as compliation of fatwas issued by ulemas. As Extreme suggests we can look at one section at a time. We can start with the section on Women, mainly because this section has been heavily debated and many are familiar with the issues.

To the readers -- an important request: This discussion is just that - a discussion into how the Sharia’h laws were drafted and based on what instruments. The discussion is meant to enrich our knowledge as to the conditions that prevailed in the 7th century when our beloved prophet (s) may or may not have narrated the sayings which, in most cases, form the basis of the Sharia’h laws. Please use discretion and not form decisions based on this discussion alone.

Let’s start by reviewing:
(1) a number of hadiths and opinions of learned scholars on Women.
(2) after that we shall review a number of situational responses re: women from scholars based on Sharia’h.
(3) finally, a list of inequities that may or may not have been discussed under #1 or #2.

HADITHS/SUNNAHS and OPINIONS:
1)The Shariat commands that women do not appear in the presence of even pious and mut-taqi Muslim males. It is very necessary for the woman to keep herself aloof from her brothers-in-law. A Companion asked, "O Rasul of Allah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam What do you say regarding the older and younger brothers-in-law?" He said: "They are, death" (Bukhari and Muslim). Just ponder over it. The Rasul of Allah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam is asking women not to come in contact with male strangers (ghayr mahram, who are not within the prohibited degrees and hence marriage with them is permissible). Similarly, he ordered the male strangers not to go near women nor sit and associate with them as otherwise they would be involved into mischief. The Companion asked, "What is the order regarding those male relatives and older and younger brothers of the husband who happen to live under the same roof? They have of necessity to come in the house". The Rasul of Allah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam said: "As for them, they are death".

2)The female voice possesses the ability to incite passion in man. In the libertine culture of the West this ability is even cultivated and intensified under tuition. Allah Ta'ala, the Creator, being fully aware of the propensities of all things He has created commands that women exercise Hijaab on even their voices and not speak to men - when there is a need to speak - in soft and tender tones. Such alluring speech as modern women demonstrate is intended to attract man and incite in him passion. This too is an introduction to zina (fornication). Rasulullah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam said:
"And, the tongue - its zina (fornication) is speech (with lust)". -(Muslim)
Therefore, speech with ghair mahaareem too is a form of fornication in Islam. Such speech has been described as zina because it is a stepping stone towards zina.

3)RASULULLAH Sallallahu alaihi wasallam said: "It is not lawful for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to permit any man entry into her husband's home, but with his consent, nor should she emerge (from the home for even a permissible purpose) while he dislikes it. In this matter she should not obey anyone (besides her husband)" -(Tibrani).

4)Rasulullah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam said:"Verily, a women walks in the form of shaitaan. Her approaching and her receding are in the form of shaitaan". -(Muslim)
This means that shaitaan uses women as a means to trap men into evil. In another hadith, Rasulullah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam explains this more clearly: "I have not left behind me a greater fitnah (trial) for men than women".

5)The evil and immorality which stem from Western institutes of learning are too well known to require any elaboration. The kuffaar press is replete with reports of vice and immorality perpetrated at Western schools and universities. So contagious is the malady of immorality of kuffaar institutions that of late we are witnessing the perpetration of such vice and immorality even in madressas where, these children schooled in Western institutions come for Deeni Ta'leem.

QUESTIONS & ANSWERS:
Q1)A Women who has been divorced is taking her husband to court. She demands half of everything he owns although this man still supports her. What is the shariah's ruling?

answer)It is haraam for her to seek to usurp the property of her ex-husband. Even if the non-muslim court rules in her favour, the property/wealth she gains from him in this haraam way will be haraam for her. The man has to support her only during her iddat period. Thereafter he is not obliged to continue supporting her for she has now become a stranger to him. If he willingly sends her something to maintain her, it is permissible. However, he is not allowed to be in communication with her.

Q2)A Woman taking advantage of the law of the land denies access to the father of her child. The marriage is only in terms of the shariah. Since the islamic marriage is not considered legal, the father is not regarded as the legal father, hence legally he has no right of access to his child. Although the woman is seeking maintenance for the child through the kaafir court, she does not want the father to see his baby. Please comment on this situation.

answer)According to the shariah, the father has the right to see his child and have reasonable access to him/her. If it is a boy, the father has the islamic right of taking custody of the child at the age of seven and if it is a girl, then at the age of puberty. The child's mother is perpetrating a grievious act of haraam by denying the father his legitimate right. Her behaviour is spiteful, despicable and totally in conflict with the shariah.

Q3)A Woman is very poor. She is a widow and has no source of income. Can we give her zakaat when she has gold jewellery of a few thousand rands?

answer)It is not permissible to give her zakaat. The zakaat will not be discharged. She has to sell part of her jewellery to feed her self. In fact, she has to pay zakaat on her jewellery. If she has no cash, she has to sell part of the jewellery to pay her zakaat.

Q4)My husband has committed zina. what are my rights towards him?

answer) While he has sinned grievously, inviting Allah's wrath and punishment on him, he remains your husband and you remain liable for all the rights of the nikah just as he is obliged to fulfil all the rights of the nikah. His sin does not absolve you of your obligations. Rasulullah ( sallallahu alayhi wasallam ) said that steel rods will be plunged into the eyes of one who deliberately looks with lust on ghair mahram women. When this will be the punishment in the aakhirah for haraam looking, those guilty of perpetrating the abomination of zina should reflect regarding the punishment for their evil act of immorality. May Allah ta'ala save us from the evil of our nafs.

Q5) Is it permissible for young unmarried girl to bleach or dye her hair from black to golden brown as is the trend nowadays?

answer) It is not permissible to imitate these accursed and shameless trends of the western kuffaar. This act of haraam imitation brings down the curse and wrath of Allah on the perpetrators .

Q6) Is it permissible for a married women to dye her hair red, ginger, blonde or any other colour?

answer) If the women is married, she may dye her hair any colour besides black, if her husband wishes her to do so. If she is unmarried, she may not dye her hair.

Q7)Is it permissible for a female to wear tights ( tight skin fitting pants )in place of normal ijaar ( pants )?

answer) It is haraam for females to wear such shameless "tights". Rasulullah ( sallallahu - alayhi - wasallam ) said that many women who wore clothing here on earth will be resurrected in immoral kuffaar garb they had adopted.

Q8)Is it permissible for a female to tie her hair up in a " pony tail" ?

answer) It is not permissible for her to adopt this style of the kuffaar. Rasulullah ( sallallahu - alayhi - wasallam ) said: " whoever imitates a people becomes of them."

Q9)Is it permissible for women to attend health clubs which cater for only females?

answer)It is not permissible for muslim women to attend such places. Public places such as clubs are haraam for women. It is not permissible for them to even go to the musjid and qabrustaan, how can they attend places which are negatron of haya and which tutor them in act of self-expression and immodesty? Such activities of the kuffaar are never permissible for muslim women.

Q10)Is it permissible for women to wear imitation jewellery and rings?

answer) It is permissible to wear imitation jewellery, but not imitation rings. Only rings of gold and silver are permissible.

Q11)Is it right for a muslim girl to go out and work?

answer) It is not permissible for her to leave the home precincts unnecessarily the responsiblility of maintaining a female devolves on her male relatives. If she has such maintainers/guardians, then it will be wrong and haraam for her to go out and work.

Q12)Is it permissible to give bursaries to lady muslim students for university education?

answer) It is not permissible. It is haraam to grant them bursaries for destroying their character and imaan .

Q13)Some muslims claim that the niqab ( the veil covering the face ) is not islamic, especially those who have studied in Egypt condemn the veil.Please comment.

answer) Ignorant make many claims, even of kufr in the name of islam. Such baseless claims should be dismissed with contempt. The niqab ( the veil covering the face of females ) is an essential item of islamic hijaab ( purdah ). It is as old as Islam. the ladies during the time of the sahaabah would wear face-covering. Cases of ladies with faces uncovered pertain to the initial period of islam prior to the revelation of the verses commanding total hijaab. The ahadith of Rasulullah ( sallallahu-alayhi-wasallam ) and the life style of the sahaabah are ample evedence for the islamic validity of the niqaab. Those who are the enemies of islamic hijaab are mentally demented by the liberalism of the kufr west which they have adopted at the expense of the sunnah of Rasulullah ( sallallahu-alayhi-wasallam ).

Q14)If a woman has very long hair or split ends can she cut her hair? The long hair gives her headaches.

answer) It is not permissible for her to cut her hair. Her headaches are baselessly being attributed to her long hair. The nafs and shaitaan have whispered this excuse into the woman who desires to cut her hair. Rrasulullah ( sallallahu alayhi wasallam ) has cursed woman who imitate men. Cutting hair is the practice of men not of women; long hair is a natural gift of beauty bestowed to females by allah ta'ala. The wish to cut hair is satanic. Shaitan has vowed to induce people to alter their natural looks and to interfere with the creation of Allah ta'ala. Kuffaar women cut their hair. For a muslim women to follow suit is to imitate the kuffaar and such imitation is haraam.

LIST OF WELL-KNOWN INEQUITIES:
1) The worth of a man's life is equal to the market value of 100 camels or 200 cows and that of a woman is equal to half of the man's, 50 camels or 100 cows.

2) The blood money or dieh, a sum paid to the next of kin as compensation for the murder of a relative, is twice as much in the case of a murdered man as in the case of a woman.

3) The number of witnesses required to prove a crime is higher if the witnesses are female or 2 just men. Female’s testimony in a court of law is equal to half of that of a man.

4) In most countries, she can’t vote or get elected to office. Females are banned from studies such as engineering, agriculture, archaeology, restoration of the historic monuments and handicrafts, and many other fields. They are not allowed to become a judge.

5) Women/females inherit only half as much as male siblings.

6) Women cannot get custody of her children. Even if their father dies. In the case of divorce or death she has to surrender her children to their father and/or his family. She cannot claim an alimony.

7) Woman cannot travel, work, go to college, join organizations, even visit her friends and relatives without my father or husband's permission. She must live where her husband desires.

8) A woman can get arrested, beaten, and sometimes even executed if she wear make-up, nylons, bright colors and specifically the color of red. Normally, she cannot choose her mate and is not permitted to divorce him if things did not work out.

9) According to Islamic laws: the most suitable time for a girl to get married is the time when the girl can have her first menstrual period in her husband's house rather than her father's. She has to meet all her husband's desires including the sexual ones. And if she refuses he has the right to deny her food, shelter, and all of life's necessities.

10) A woman’s husband can divorce her without her knowledge and by the Islamic law he is required to support her for only 100 days. And if he dies, she is entitled to 1/8 of his Estate. A husband is not required to provide her with alimony.

11) A woman can only ask for divorce if her husband is impotent, if he does not have sex with her at least one night in every forty nights, and if he refuses to provide her with a minimum standard of living.

12) Her husband can have four permanent wives and if he is from Shi'i sect, he can have as many temporary wives as he wants.

13) In Islam, the age of majority for a girl is 9 years and for a boy is 15 years. This means that a 9 year old girl and a 15 year old boy are considered to have the same level of maturity. Now, if girls reach maturity six years earlier than boys, then why did God place men in charge of women? Was there something wrong with God's Judgment?

14) In Islam, if a 6 or 7 year old girl is raped by an adult man, she will be the one that gets punished. It is her fault because she provoked it. The parents then will burn or kill her because she has dishonored the family.

CONCLUSION:
The shariah laws that were drafted in the 7th century were at the whims of men who had a rather narrow focus on women and that shows up in the laws that they drafted and their expressed opinions.

There are many who would suggest that we go back to the Quran and re-draft the laws on women and, this time with responsible inputs from female scholars. I look forward to your feedbacks.

1) I am not sure why you keep glorifying verses from Quran when you know I am looking
or proof that the teachings of the Quran are actually practised in real-life.
Get it, show me where the beef is? If you cannot then just repeat what you said in our previous encounter that the problem is :NOBODY IS PRACTISING TRUE ISLAM and THE TRUE ISLAM EXISTED ONLY DURING PROPHET'S TIME!

Dude you wrote that right??
I wanna ask you WHAT DA HELL IZ UR BEEF w/ what ppl are practicing. Okay ppl dont follow islam to the full extent. but y r u blaiming islam for it HUH???????
If you have such a problem get ur ass off this computer and do somethign about it. Follow islam to the full extent. Do what it says, do it right. become an example for ppl to follow. dont bitch and give us these lenghty explanations, dat BTW no body wants to read, defending your hollow point of view.


BRAIN:Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

Well well well,
I asked faceup to show verses which are in contradicition with the Shariah. So after consulting Iblees, and receiving a negative response and without wanting to lose face, his reply, as expected:

show us the verses which don’t go against Muslims<<
furthermore, he chose to ignore my next two questions, since this would have been an action of suicide, so he ignored them and hoped no one notices it. The questions being,
Are you more knowledgeable about the meaning of Mercy or Compassion or the Messenger(saw)?
Did the Messenger(saw) practice the Mercy and Compassion, which you are talking about?

Further he stated:

as many sharia'h laws directly collide with human rights, dignity & decency <<

So the fool continued in his usual manner of listing the Shariah laws, some of which were incorrect some correct and trying to show as he stated above that they go against the UN/USA human rights code, of course they do. We have never claimed that they don't. But you failed to state how these laws go against the Qur'an and Sunnah and against Allah. And we are ready to reply to each of your arguments.

But first, we must know who you are. Since our reply to unbeliever is from a diffrent angle than to someone who accepts the Qur'an and Sunnah. Therefore, it would be very kind of you to answer the following questions. You can consult all your leaders, scholars, scientists, Iblees, women scholars you are talking about (in your case Hilary Clinton), whether they are dead or alive, let's see if you can find answers to these questions.

Are you more knowledgeable about the meaning of Mercy or Compassion or the Messenger(saw)?
Did the Messenger(saw) practice the Mercy and Compassion, which you are talking about?
Do you accept the Hadith within Bukhari & Muslim to be from the Messenger(saw)?
Do you accept that the words of the Messenger(saw) are superior to any other man's including USA/UN?

Cheers!

Till next time, enjoy your consultations with Iblees.


So the unbeliever was left dumbfounded, his argument was overthrown, silenced, struck dumb and falsehood was rendered futile as is always the case.

faceup, my face is down after reading such a post…

How did Muslims jump to these conclusions? what is this crap… Islam is a religion based on a very balanced philosophy. I am sure these fatwas are flamed by our proud-paki-desi-mentality-ulemas, whose basic qualification is not more than 5th grade. Or less.

~ It is not permissible for women to even go to the musjid”
~ It is not permissible for her to cut her hair.
~ It is permissible to wear imitation jewelery, but not imitation rings
~ It is not permissible for a female to tie her hair up in a " pony tail"

aaaahhh! what a religion…

[PS: salafi, this is only and only ZALIM not face-up or anyone else, don’t confuse yourself and please show us your homework.]

What is wrong w/ a woman having long hair.
What is wormg w/ a woman not being able to go to the musjid? nothing wrong w/ praying at home!!!

~ It is permissible to wear imitation jewelery, but not imitation rings ( man what da hell r u talking about, is this one those things u heard an another ignorant person like urself talking)

~ It is not permissible for a female to tie her hair up in a " pony tail"
Does it matter her head is supposed to be covered n e ways!!

GOD IT PISSES TEH HELL OUTTA ME HOW EVERYTIME ISLAM IS DISCUSSED EVREY1 WANTS TO START TALKING ABOUT THE WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
wut da hell is dat supposed to prove huh??


BRAIN:Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

NYA......>>I personally think that “Hadud” Laws are draconian, the severe punishments laws are barbaric, “Jazia” law is also wicked,<<

I hope you stay oncourse, and do engage in discussion, for the sake of learning other people's point of view, atlease. You utter your opinions and then doze off! Let us see why Islam prescribes such draconion (I have no hasitation in admitting so) punishments.

In my view it is because of the harshness of the punishments in Islam, both the severity of the punishment and the life of the victim are protected. But let us break it down further.

What is bothering you most?? Murder, theft, adultry. These are the only three which carry savage punishments. where do you wanna start??

so, in your words, let us be more specific!!

Zalim,
as I said to faceup, first I need to know certain aspects of your belief. So could you kindly answer the questions below.
Do you accept the Hadith within Bukhari & Muslim to be from the Messenger(saw)?
Do you accept that a command from the Messenger(saw) is an obligation upon us, just as though it was from the Allah?

and you said:>>fatwas are flamed by our proud-paki-desi-mentality-ulemas, whose basic qualification is not more than 5th grade<<

where is the justice. Quote from the ulema and not 5th grade students. And quote your refrences, who these rulings are from. Just to partially answer your first question:

It is not permissible for women to even go to the masjid<<
there is no absolute prohibition on this. there going to the masjid is not like that of men and neither is it an obligation upon them. their praying in the home is better, while the praying of men in the mosque is better. Rather this a blessing from Allah, that makes it easy for the woman.
BUt how many men do you think like the ruling that they have to go to the mosque. How many of the men go to the mosque and pray. In certain instances, the methods of worship are different to men and women. It does not mean one is superior to the other. The purpose of worship is to gain Allah's reward. So if the woman is getting this reward by praying at home, then what's the problem. Both are achieving the same thing in different ways. Let's see you send your mother, daughter, wife to mosque five times a day, including the fajr at 4am and ishaa and 11pm. Had the ruling been the other way, then the modernists would have said: "why has Allah placed this hardship on women for"