Who Is Responsible For Present Day Jehadi Culture?

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I follow a very simple life myself- I deliver Pizzas and make (not much)money. Zia used the money he received towards aid in rebuilding Pakistan- he used the money in reparing the mosques, hiring good Islamic scholars and fighting poverty and illiteracy in poor muslim countries like Sudan and Afghanistan. MQM had been in the making for long- maybe Zia's move backfired and the monster was created.

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:hehe: what a reference you have about Hindustani Muslims, now I know why your knowledge of Hindustani Muslims is so skewed/weird/retarded.

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Have you ever asked an Afghani about his/her view about Zia?

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no.. I never did.. what woud they say?

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Interesting. Seems the West needs right-wing lunatics at some point or another. Let’s hope the neo-cons get booted out the next round.

Anyhoo, the views of these savages is more of a case of a turd calling a skunk stinky. If this is indeed “Western” opinion, then perhaps we should be more concerned of how undignified the West is becoming, before we go on about the dignity of stale Iranian political leaders.

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With all due respect, have you ever asked an Afghani about his/her view of Pakistan? I don't think the animosity is all Zia...they just don't trust Pakistan. In particular the Persian-speaking Afghanis...

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The current regime? Sure. It's broken. The Ayatollahs? They're not all alike. I don't mind Montazeri, or Sistani (although he's Iraqi).

Why, I don't mind some republicans too...the non-neo variety tend to be kind to Pakistan...go figure.

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Who cares about the sewer-infested society's view on anything.

Afghanis have so much $hite going around among themselves. They are the ones who destroyed their past (Bamyan Buddhas), their present (by bombing cities like Kabul, Kandhar, and Jalalabad), and their future by first accepting Ruskie rule, and now living under NATO rule.

Anyone who listens to Afghanis will suffer just like them. See our tribals are following Afghan golden tradition of destroying our infrastructure. If we don't stop them, soon they will make sure our cities of Kohat, Bannu, and Peshawar become a ditto copy of Afghan jannat of Kabul.

People can blame Zia, god, angels. The reality is that Afghani leaders got money from others (Pakistan, USA, India, Ruskies, Turkey....) for raping their own country.

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And the mistrust escalated exponentially with Zia's regime.

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Hollywood and all those western Movies are what created the Muslim Cowboys with guns................


Hollywood Heros always solve their problems with a shoot out........


The lesson is the good guys have the best and fastest guns............


Why should the Muslims stay behind... the Wild Wild West............


You call them Jihadis.......... I say they are Muslim Cowboys out to become heros........

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Sindsagar,

"I say they are Muslim Cowboys out to become heros"

Wrong analogy. Cowboys of West did not kill themselves while killing bad guys or innocent people. Their motives were far superior than these Jehadis. e.g Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, Ghost Rider, Gene Autery, Wild Bill Hickock, Bud Cassidy and so on.

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You are all being very short sighted, looking at it only through your own glasses and not at all objective in your approach.

It’s not as simple as you guys make it out to be, there’s lots of factors which come into play…

First and foremost USA is responsible because the CIA started and supported these groups for it’s own benefits against USSR, Pakistan is also responsible for acting as the middleman because Pak also had it’s own agendas from these people (e.g. against India).

USA’s attitudes today are also to blame for providing "fodder" for these groups, it’s foreign policies against the Muslim world, it’s shameless support of blatantly terrorist states such as Israel, its refusal to respect the sovereignty of other nations by its arrogant self-righteous belief that it somehow has the God-given right to deploy its troops over and control any country it wishes…

The anger/fear/frustration/helplessness of some people in those regions motivates them to support anyone anti-American even if they be terrorist scum.

Blaming the "72 virgins" is being very naïve and ignorant, any nation in the same position (regardless of religion) would take the same path..

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just for correction ..Deoband is avillage in the district Suharan pur...of province Uttar Pardesh..not bihar..

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sure, if you consider the people who zibahed hussien as shias. i guess i do. they are the beginners of such madness as well.

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india is a failed nation...mujhe aaj pata chala.

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^^ i kow that a decade ago....
shining india ...slogans are used to amuse the mik drinking children..if they weep.....

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Read this and tell me who is responsible for this mess? Hamari billi ham se meown. Yeah sub kutch Aimirul Mominin ka karta dharta hay.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_video

Bin Laden urges Pakistanis to rebel

By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 20, 4:35 PM ET

CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden called on Pakistanis to wage holy war on their president Thursday, saying in a new recording that it was their religious duty to overthrow Gen. Pervez Musharraf for his alliance with the U.S. against Islamic militants.
The message was the third from bin Laden this month after a long lull, coming in a flurry of al-Qaida propaganda marking the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States.
Joining in, bin Laden’s chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, issued a video Thursday seeking to galvanize Islamic fighters from North Africa to Afghanistan.
Al-Zawahri, who is seen by some counterterrorism experts to be al-Qaida’s operational chief rather than bin Laden, said the United States is losing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
“What they claim to be the strongest power in the history of mankind is today being defeated in front of the Muslim vanguards of jihad (holy war) six years after the two raids on New York and Washington,” he said.
The string of video and audio messages around the anniversary has shown an increased sense of triumphalism in al-Qaida’s tone at a time when U.S. intelligence reports say its core leadership appears to have regrouped in the Afghan-Pakistani border region.
“You can actually see the increase in the number of videos tie in with recent U.S. assessments that al-Qaida is resurgent, that it is much stronger,” said Michael Jacobson, a former FBI terrorism expert now at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
“They’re feeling more stable, feeling much more secure, so it’s not a surprise that they’re able to put out more videos,” he added.
Many of the messages have hammered on U.S. struggles in Iraq to push the claim that Islamic militants are winning, and bin Laden’s video against Musharraf signaled that al-Qaida wants to turn its guns on one of the United States’ most important allies in fighting the terror network.
Al-Zawahri and another top al-Qaida figure, Abu Yahia al-Libi, already called for Pakistanis to rise up against Musharraf in recent messages. But the tape from bin Laden, al-Qaida’s most symbolic and charismatic figure, adds weight to the declaration of jihad against the Pakistani leader.
In a 23-minute video showing previously released footage of bin Laden, the al-Qaida leader’s voice delivered a call to jihad in Arabic with English subtitles, but the message also was released in versions dubbed in Urdu and Pashtu — languages widely used in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Bin Laden branded Musharraf an infidel because of the siege of the Red Mosque, a militant stronghold in the Pakistani capital overrun by commandos in July. The battle killed more than 100 people, including one of the militants’ leaders, Abdul Rashid Ghazi.
The siege “demonstrated Musharraf’s insistence on continuing his loyalty, submissiveness and aid to America against the Muslims,” bin Laden said. “It is obligatory on the Muslims in Pakistan to carry out jihad and fighting to remove Pervez, his government, his army and those who help him.”
In the recording, titled “Come to Jihad,” bin Laden quoted fatwas, or religious edicts, from hard-line Islamic scholars on the duty of Muslims to overthrow infidel rulers.
Anyone “who believes that the strength required to rebel has not yet been completed must complete it and take up arms against Pervez and his army without procrastination,” he said.
The message comes at a delicate time for Musharraf, who has been targeted by four assassination attempts since 2002.
His popularity has plummeted in recent months as he seeks a new presidential term in an Oct. 6 vote by Pakistani lawmakers. Under popular pressure, his aides announced that Musharraf would quit as army chief and restore civilian rule if elected to a new five-year term.
The mosque siege also brought a wave of violence and suicide attacks in Pakistan blamed on Taliban and al-Qaida militants, intensifying the discontent of religious conservatives over Musharraf’s alliance with the United States.
In Islamabad, the Pakistan army spokesman, Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad, said “such threats issued through videos or in any other way cannot deter us from fulfilling our national duty” to “eradicate terrorism.”
State Department spokesman Tom Casey said the message was “not surprising” because bin Laden’s sees that Pakistan has been a strong ally to the U.S. “in the fight against his kind of extremism.”
Before this month, bin Laden had not issued a message in more than a year. A video released a few days before the Sept. 11 anniversary contained the first new images of him in nearly three years.
The other video released Thursday showed off al-Qaida’s increasing media sophistication. It amounted to an 80-minute documentary interweaving al-Zawahri’s speech with footage from the Sept. 11 attacks, interviews with experts and officials taken from Western and Arab television and old footage and audiotapes of bin Laden.
Al-Zawahri is believed to play a large role in directing al-Qaida’s strategy on the ground, and in his frequent videos the Egyptian militant often lays down the network’s doctrinal line.
In the new video, he seemed to be playing both roles, speaking in front of shelves lined with Islamic books, an automatic rifle leaning against the shelves.
Al-Zawahri railed against Islamic clerics who don’t advocate holy war and spoke about progress in numerous fronts of jihad — including Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Chechnya and North Africa.
He called for jihad in North Africa to “cleanse (it) of the children of France and Spain.” And he urged more fighting in Sudan to drive out a planned U.N.-African Union peacekeeping force in the Darfur region, where Arab militiamen have been accused of committing atrocities against ethnic African communities.
The video showed scenes of al-Qaida’s leader in Afghanistan, Mustafa Abu al-Yazeed, meeting with a senior Taliban commander. In contrast to past videos that showed al-Qaida and Taliban fighters in desert terrain, Abu al-Yazeed and the commander sat in a verdant field surrounded by trees as a jihad anthem played, extolling the virgins that will meet martyrs in paradise.
On the video, Abu al-Yazeed said al-Qaida’s ties with the Taliban were strengthening. The Taliban commander, Dadullah Mansoor, vowed to “target the infidels in Afghanistan and outside Afghanistan” and to “focus our attacks, Allah willing, on the coalition forces in Afghanistan.”


Associated Press writers Lily Hindy in New York and Zarar Khan in Islamabad, Pakistan, contributed to this report.