Who Is Responsible For Present Day Jehadi Culture?

Here are the excerpts from September 2007 National Geographic which clearly fixed the responsibility of present day Jehadi Culture and suicidal bombings to General Zia-ul-Haq. It said that all the distortions in the history of Pakistan and evil-doings done by the military generals not the politicians. Quaid-e-Azam was secular no Islamist, but it never told in the history books. Dictators mold the history just to continue their tyrant and illegal successive governments.

http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0709/pakistan/pakistan.html


From the start, the founders of Pakistan intended their nation to be a refuge for Muslims, not an Islamic state.

Pakistan was created when India, a British colony for nearly a hundred years, gained its independence and was partitioned into two countries along a hastily drawn border.


Pakistan's first leader, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, and his brain trust of secular intellectuals created a fledgling democracy that gave Islam a cultural, rather than political, role in national life. Their Pakistan was to be a model of how Islam, merged with democratic ideals, could embrace the modern world. "Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense," Jinnah said in his inaugural address, but "as citizens of the state." 

Sixty years later, having been educated in schools that teach mainly the Koran, the young women in the library are stunned when I mention Jinnah’s secular vision for Pakistan. “That is a lie,” Ayman says, her voice shaking with fury. “Everyone knows Pakistan was created as an Islamic state, according to the will of Allah. Where did you read this thing?” Such is the certainty of Pakistan’s Islamists, whose loud assertions give them political influence far beyond their numbers.


More than anyone, it was General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq who created Pakistan's current generation of Islamic radicals, and the climate in which they thrive. A Punjabi general with a pencil-thin mustache and raccoon circles under his eyes, Zia seized power in a coup in 1977, had the democratically elected prime minister tried and hanged, and promptly pressed for the Islamization of Pakistan, calling for more religion in the classroom and the use of punishments such as flogging and amputations for crimes against Islam. To Zia, Pakistan's secular founders, with their emphasis on Muslim culture, had it exactly backward. "We were created on the basis of Islam," Zia said, and he set out to remake democratic Pakistan as a strict Islamic state—despite the fact that a large majority of Pakistanis were, and remain, moderates.


That all changed in December 1979, when the Soviet Union invaded neighboring Afghanistan, driving hundreds of thousands of Afghan refugees—mainly conservative Pashtun tribesmen—across the border into Pakistan. Within months Zia's Islamist dream got a huge boost: The United States and Saudi Arabia joined Pakistan in a covert alliance to supply arms, training, and billions of dollars to an anti-Soviet insurgency in Afghanistan. The motto of Zia's army—Jihad in the Service of Allah—became a rallying cry for thousands of mujahideen training in camps funded by the CIA in Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province. Over time, Zia's agenda, and that of the United States, became indistinguishable: If Zia wanted to Islamize Pakistan while mobilizing support for the anti-Soviet jihad, all the more power to him. Besides, the fundamentalist madrassas of northwestern Pakistan made excellent recruiting centers for mujahideen—young fighters who saw the struggle against the Soviets as a holy war.

During the 1980s, as the mujahideen prevailed against the Soviets in Afghanistan, the winds of extremism blowing from the northwest began to chill all of Pakistan. Millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia flowed into the hard-line Sunni madrassas clustered along Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan, which eventually spread across Pakistan. Not all Pakistani madrassas today are fundamentalist or radical. Some are shoestring operations run by moderate clerics to meet the educational needs of the poor. But the majority—more than 60 percent—are affiliated with the fundamentalist Deobandi sect, an austere interpretation of Islam that calls for a rejection of modernity and a return to the “pure,” seventh-century Islam of the Prophet Muhammad. Politically savvy and extremely well funded, more than 10,000 of these schools operate across Pakistan today, compared with fewer than 1,000 before General Zia took power. Thousands more operate unofficially.


By the time Zia died in a mysterious 1988 plane crash, the Islamization of Pakistan was well under way. The following year, the Soviet Union, preoccupied with its own implosion, pulled its demoralized troops from Afghanistan. The U.S. promptly declared victory and returned home, leaving the Afghan people to the chaotic rule of the mujahideen warlords. One crucial chapter in the story of radical Islam's ascendancy had come to a close. The one we are still living had just begun. 

Osama bin Laden and other leaders of the Afghan jihad now moved freely in and out of northwestern Pakistan and its Federally Administered Tribal Areas. The madrassas swelled with the children of the Zia Generation. In the rugged mountainous land shared by Afghanistan and Pakistan, the seeds of the Taliban, and al Qaeda, had been sown.


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i have heard that sauia is providing biliions of dollars to these jahadi extremists ..madrassas ....is this true ???

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Obviously.

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All this true. So what? How long does the vicious swirl of religiouso and army rape of pakistan to continue?

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So what if Jinnah wanted a secular country, the people don't. If you noticed in the past 50 years, Pakistani society has become more conservative and the government reflect just that.

Secondly if you want to blame the culture of Jihadism, blame 3 different "Sources".

  1. The ones that created the ideology.
  2. The ones that funded and supported them.
  3. The ones that praised them.

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Musharraf is to be blammed also for his roshan khayali policies...

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My personal opinion about Nat Geo's coverage of terrorism is that it generally tends to be a little unfair and biased. So I would advise everyone to take it with a pinch of salt.

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FOL biased towards which thing....?

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FOL,

little unfair? Can you please explain how?

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I think the history of Pakistan's Jehadi culture goes far back to prepartition era when Islam was used by the landed elite of Uttar Pardesh and other regions of Hindustan to maintain their status-quo and grab political power in face of the ascending political influence and clout of the Hindu peasantry and urban classes brought about by the introduction of Western-style democracy in Hindustan. Contributing to this was the tendency of Indian Muslims to disown their Indic identity and adopt an identity that would link them with Middle East, Central Asia, Iran, etc. So Muslim identity was emphasized...Urdu was falsely propagated to have originated from Persian, Turkish, Arabic, etc. just to give Muslims an Islamic identity marker...Medieval Muslim history was glorified ...The slogans like "Pakistan ka matlab kia la ilaha ilalah" and "Pakistan Islam ka qila" were given currency...and Mualana Shabir Ahamd Usmani, Mualana Maududi etc. Muslims from Hindustan came forward to Islamize Pakistan constitution through "qarar dadi maqasid"...There was another Hindustani Muslim, General Sher Ali khan, to invent two-nation theory ie the theory that Muslims and non-Muslims cannot live in a single state ...a sort of version of Pan-Islam where Muslims will ultimately gather in a single state or Darul Islam ruled by Khilafath. West also used Pakistan and its Islamic orientation and inclinations/cridentials to counter communism and further their global security agenda...Kashmir, Bangal, Al-Badar Al-Shams etc. predated Ziaul-Haq...

However, under Zia rule Jehadi, ideological, and political Islam adopted a more draconian face...

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You are confusing extremism with using Islam for political gains, there is significant difference there. Your hate for Mohajirs/Urdu is sending you the wrong path.

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There is no confusion ... It is very clear...Muadudis, a Hindustani Muslim, wrote Jehad Fil Islam and Khalafath wa Malukiath, another Hindustani Syed Ahmad Barelvi tried to establsih a theocracy on Pashtun land but then was expelled by Pashtuns...Mualana Mahmudul Hassan raised the slogan of Jahad...Da Extremisam sa khkarai kho na yi When you say Jehad is obligatory for Muslims and that Muslims should live under khalafath and in a theorcracy and not a secular-liberal state...

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The Shi'as don't want a Taliban-style government, and neither do Ahmadis, Parsis, Christians, Ahmadis, and definitely not the Kalash.

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What you are trying to blame “hindustani muslims” for is even more severe in your own NWFP. And LoD, why do you deny the reason that the reason that this barelvi guy was betrayed, like the taliban by their own pashtuns many times, is because of money. This is why british invented the saying that Always bribe a pathan. Pathan ko paisa khilao in urdu.

I remember reading about the “islamist” inclinations of tribesman in NWFP. A british guy remarked that the pashtun were still very angry at the farangi british but tolerated the british commander who talked to them about partition in an assembly in NWFP because they thought he admired islam [he was wearing a green uniform :hehe: ].

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JI has participated in Jihad in Afghanistan as well as Kashmir, there is no 'denying' but they never had the opinion of killing their own people, bombing their own countrymen. I haven't seen JI participating in "extremism", the only extremist parties of "Sunnis" have been SSP and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi type (I think). This whole "suicide" bombing is coming from western part of Pakistan, I am sure you can search on youtube where you will hundreds of students graduating as 'suicide-bombers' who are ready to do their job, they are no followers of "Deobandi/Brelvi" rather follower of OBL.

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Yet despite all of this it is Pashtuns are the ones most blowing themselves in the name of Taliban, while the largest and most popular party of Hindustani Muslim Mohajirs, i.e. the MQM is virulently anti-Taliban and anti-Mullah. Go figure!

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The reason for Syed Ahmad Barelvis expulsion was he had ordered the locals to give their daughters in marriage to Hindustanis that had come with him…And he had also imprisoned a local noble along with his family…So people rose in revolt against him…Many scholars have opined that Syed Ahmad Barelvi was an agent of British.

Can you quote the source of your information…please? Mullahs historically have been placed at the lowest level of the social lader in Pashtun Society…And have been looked down upon.

Moreover, when your Hindustani Muslims like Shah Waluillah, Syed Ahamd Barelvi, Mullah Nautwi, Mullah Maududi, Ashraf Thanavi, etc. were busy inventing the ideologies of subversion and Jehad, Pashtuns were following the humanistic philosophy of Abdul Ghafar Khan.

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Most of the suicide bombers arrested so far are of Indic origin...or should I give you the list...Who was the terrorist that seriously injured himself while carrying explosives in his car...Was a Desi Muslim from Hindustan...

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it is simple: economic disenfranchisement --> idle men --> confused admixture and consequent policies based on no-religion and no-culture ( vs. true Islam as a religion and true Muslim Culture of peace and prosperity) --> lawlessness in the country --> outside intrusion and hegemony --> more political and economic pressures --> corruption --> insecurity --> occupation by opportunists --> weakened nation --> no way out but to be killed or be destructive

this cycle has to be changed or else Muslims may not be a strong nation and be able to confidently protect the faith.

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**Who is responsible for Jihadi culture?

Hint! the answer starts with "J".

**Jihadis themselves are responsible for this medieval behavior. Unless off course we think Jihadis are made of plastic.

Mullahs and Jihadis earned dollars to fight Commies. Once the commie project was folded away, Jihadi refused to stop and now we have a mess at our hands.

A thieve cannot get away by saying Tony forced me to steal. He steals because of his own desires.

Same way a rabid Jihadi doesn't follow orders of Zia or Musharraf. He follows his own desire to meet 72 hooris.