you said it, not me. If Allah planted me here to ask you guys simple questions, may be you should try and answer instead of attacking the messenger
The problem is you do not ask question...
You tell people what they believe despite people say thats not the way it is.
Anyone can see that so stop making fool of yourself.
:salam:
I would love to see Smarty give you a sensible answer however I doubt it is in his fiber. I would love to discuss with him/her however it does not appear to the intention though. Since you said it I do realize I have not been very courteous with him/her. Bad example set by me.
Because we only worship one god (Allah SWT), on the other hand you dont even know, who you follow, you dont even know the names of your gods? do u? since you have limited knowledge, just keep it to yourself, dont make a fool out of yourself and your 5 million gods. P.S isnt it easy to worship one god, instead of 5 million, lol go figuer it out!
Worshiping one god doesn't seem to have helped you much. May be you should try diversification
Get Smart Are you ummm? Your writing style is similar to him.
I am me, nothing Ummm about me I'm afraid. Is that a good or bad thing?
Sure you have no knowledge of Islam but keep telling muslims what they believe! What a joke!
We love all the sect people and christians and jews.....the people who believe same God...!!
Hidus are different....but we still like them for being human.
I keep telling you guys what you believe only because I know you better than yourself. I'm glad you love christians and jews too but can't you extend the same courtesy to sunni, shia, barelvi, ahmadi, deobandhi etc etc (ntw I love the sound of these names you guys have-- seriously and that is not a dig)
The problem is you do not ask question...
You tell people what they believe despite people say thats not the way it is.
Anyone can see that so stop making fool of yourself.
Too bad - some of your compadres seem to deem my posts answer or discussion worthy. I hope you read them....
Lucky for you, nobody seems to take your ‘example’ seriously, so rest easy, no harm done.
^^ he is using multiple nicks such as aam Aadhmi also.
got a question for you. Doesn't aam mean mango? I think you should discuss. Some mangos may actually respond! don't give up though. Stare at them right in the eye
Peace Get smart
I have not been around for a while, but there is a lot of action here. I understand your perspective and I think you deserve a bit more than what people are giving you on this thread.
Well somebody understood it is better to take a messenger planted by Allah seriously. Good for you
When we say the believers of the past were 'Muslim' we refer to the verb 'To be Muslim' we do not refer to the noun part of the definition. The noun is of course is as you state it. A person who believes in the Creed of Islam is a Muslim.
Got it; US Resident was trying to make a similar point but his desire to scold me got the better of him and resulted in making his response incoherent.
You will notice that the Way of Life has not been given any explicit name in the Old or New Testaments. The people are defined by their race rather than their affiliations. So essentially we need to consider what it means to be a Muslim rather than looking for the 'noun'. If we were to compare the term Muslim to what we have with Christian or Jew we will see that the oldest of the three is a nation, the second are affiliated to Christ (AS) [Nasara] whereas the Jews rejected him. The term Christian therefore not only is it a new term but it distinguishes the Jew who does not believe in Christ from a Jew who does. However, all Christians are not Jewish (which is why the Romans coined this term) so there is a problem here. It is actually more accurate to say that Christians are people who follow Jewish Law (10 Commandments) without the ritual aspects of it, and at the same time believe in Christ.
Good points; agreed.
By this definition Muslims are those people who follow Jewish law accept Christ (AS) and Muhammad (SAW), without the ritual aspects of both these two orders because we have been given a new set of rituals to observe without compromising the core belief structure of the original Jewish ... rather Abrahamic Law.
Our Surah Fatihah - is a supplication to God to keep us on the straight path, which differs from the path taken by the zealous Jews and different from the path taken by the over flexible Christians. Mention of these two peoples as ideologies to avoid are ingrained in our rites of worship.
Islam for that matter is described in the Old Testament as not a thing, but a condition, it is described as the Kingdom of God. That is Islam because Islam means to submit to God, doing so acknowledges God as King and when a whole people do it ... it creates a Kingdom. Shari'ah is the legislative element to this and Islam is the internal condition of this.
So you are correct in saying that Islam did not exist before Muhammad (SAW) but that is only because a whole nation were never brought a complete message. However, the people are at fault because they never allowed themselves to be guided. The priesthood were often as loggerheads with the prophets, indicating that handing down of religion was not being done in the correct manner, or else there would be no disagreement in the priests and prophets.
However, your argument about Christians and Jews rejecting the idea that their predecessors were Muslim is not a valid one. Christ (AS) is more a right to Muslims than he is for Christians. Also the legacy of Christ (AS) was supposed to be taken up by Cephas (Simon Peter) not Paul.
Difference is this. Christians may accept they're emanated from Jews so every Christian is a further qualified (by some additional attributes) Jew. But they don't go around backdating those attributes and claiming the old Jews before them were Christian. If you called muslims Jew and Christians but with a few additional qualifications (actually you did I guess, so the IF is reduntant) that's fine - but when you go and call the old jews and christians that predated Islam as muslims (noun) that would be wrong.
As agreed earlier and assuming as a non-noun muslim (can the term really be used as a verb?) means obeying God, sure - but that wouldn't have ANY religious significance
Got it; US Resident was trying to make a similar point but his desire to scold me got the better of him and resulted in making his response incoherent.
Nothing incoherent in what I said. Its your lack of knowledge that renders it incoherent to you, which is why I suggest you first learn more before you come and discuss and argue. Its more like I keep telling you 2 + 2 = 4 and you cannot get past what 2 means. Your refusal to accept your lack of appropriate knowledge is not incoherence on the part of others. Its simply your arrogance and others patience with you though your confusion may apparently be deliberate.
Re: who is Muslim ? in theory and practice .. (split discussion)
^agree. some folks are keen to insist 1+1 = 11, simple cuz they havent discovered the number 2 as of yet.
anyways, anyone who submits himself to the one God, regardless of what name they give themselves, or what book they follow, is a muslim by nature (i.e. one who submits).
The Quran mentions specifically Hazrat Ibrahim as a muslim and in general all Prophets were muslims in true essense. But once the Quran was revealed, the name became associated for those who accepted Islam and followed the teachings of the Quran.
Re: who is Muslim ? in theory and practice .. (split discussion)
the prophets before muhammed(saw) were not muslims? hellooooo they were all sent by Allah i.e Islam but their messages got disorted by passing time, all the messengers claimed one Allah be it moses or jesus peace be upon them
Worshiping one god doesn't seem to have helped you much. May be you should try diversification
How does believing one God doesn't help anyone?
I keep telling you guys what you believe only because I know you better than yourself.
You know us better than ourselves???
You are not trying hard to be funny there !!!!!!!!!!!
we got your point you are acting as a joker.
I am serious now..
HOW OLD ARE YOU?..just a range would work.:D
I'm glad you love christians and jews too but can't you extend the same courtesy to sunni, shia, barelvi, ahmadi, deobandhi etc etc (ntw I love the sound of these names you guys have-- seriously and that is not a dig)
Yes we do. to all sunni, barelvi, deobandi.
You added Ahmedi in the list. We do like them also.
Too bad - some of your compadres seem to deem my posts answer or discussion worthy. I hope you read them....
So? what's the point I sould get from it?
I told you mine.