Who is kafir?

As there are a lot of fatwas on this forum as to which sect is kafir, let’s examine a few fatwas from prominent scholars to determine who is kafir and in fact if there is a sect which is not kafir according to others.

Two fatwas below to start with;

  1. Ahmad Raza Khan (Barelvi) has noted the beliefs of Muhammad Qasim Nanotavi (founder of the school at Deoband) and Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (of Deoband), and then added:

This fatwa bears the signatures and seals of Ulama of Makka and Madina, and other Muftis and Islamic judges. Three reasons have been given for calling them kafir :

a.They deny the finality of prophethood;

b.They insult the Holy Prophet;

c.They believe that God can tell a lie.

Hence it is written about them:

(Hisam al-Haramain, pp. 100 and 113) and (Tulu’-i-Islam, August 1969)

  1. Ahmad Raza Khan (Barelvi) and Syed Pir Mehr Ali Shah on Shias;

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I am a Kaffir.

yayyyyyyyyyy

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Thanks. Nice post.

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i personally think instead of finding out who is kafir and who isnt..... we should make our own emaan strong and correct our own behaviours..... and try to follow the footsteps of our beloved prophet pbuh and follow all the commandments of Allah.... and b a true muslim....

ma 2 cent

Ah these Takfeer factories installed by various sects which has done nothing but to make Islam itself as an item to mock at.

Btw, the Amhed Raza Khan and his school itself has come under Takfir by various segments so I dont know what credibility his edicts contain. For example Maulana Zia ur Rahman Faruqi ex leader of Sipah Sahaba in his support of the banning of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi's Tafseer of the Quran in Saudi Arabia, stated:

"We have come to know that some people of this evil [Dhaala] sect via a letter to you have sought to revoke the ban on the said Tafseer and translation [of Quran], and have very cunningly made an venomous attempt to cover up the wrong beliefs of their founder…The said Tafseer and translation [of Quran] is the result of the pen by the founder Ahmed Raza Khan Brelvi and his caliph Mufti Naeemuddin Muradabadi of this evil [Dhaala] sect. It is our demand that not only Kanz ul Iman be banned in Saudi Arabia but in other Arabic world, moreover the followers of 'Raza Khani' sect should be strictly prohibited from performing the rites of Hajj".
Kanz al Iman par pabandee kyo? [Why a ban on Kanz ul Iman?] pages 3-4 printed Ish'aat ul Maarif, Faislabad
Ah these Takfeer factories installed by various sects which has done nothing but to make Islam itself as an item to mock at.

Btw, the Amhed Raza Khan and his school itself has come under Takfir by various segments so I dont know what credibility his edicts contain. For example Maulana Zia ur Rahman Faruqi ex leader of Sipah Sahaba in his support of the banning of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi's Tafseer of the Quran in Saudi Arabia, stated:

"We have come to know that some people of this evil [Dhaala] sect via a letter to you have sought to revoke the ban on the said Tafseer and translation [of Quran], and have very cunningly made an venomous attempt to cover up the wrong beliefs of their founder…The said Tafseer and translation [of Quran] is the result of the pen by the founder Ahmed Raza Khan Brelvi and his caliph Mufti Naeemuddin Muradabadi of this evil [Dhaala] sect. It is our demand that not only Kanz ul Iman be banned in Saudi Arabia but in other Arabic world, moreover the followers of 'Raza Khani' sect should be strictly prohibited from performing the rites of Hajj".
Kanz al Iman par pabandee kyo? [Why a ban on Kanz ul Iman?] pages 3-4 printed Ish'aat ul Maarif, Faislabad

If we go to have a look at earlier Imams of AhleSunnah, we come to know that they aso kept issuing all sorts of editcs against eachother. For instance the Imam of Ahmed Raza namely Imam Abu Hanifa was decalred as an 'evil' by Imam Shafiyee:

** ‘No one was born in Islam more evil than Abu Hanifa’**
Tarikh Baghdad, Volume 15 page 549

According to Imam Sufiyan Thuri, Abu Hainfa had gone into Kufr twice:

Sufyan said: ‘Abu Hanifa repented from Kufr twice’
Tarikh Baghdad, Volume 15 page 525

Also we learn that the scholars were so against Abu Hanifa that they celebrated his death:

Salama bin Kulthom said: ‘When Abu Hanifa died, Awzai said: ‘Praise be to Allah for killing him, he used to destroy the pillars of Islam one by one’
Tarikh Baghdad, Volume 15 page 547

Not only this but we read the following grave condemnation of Abu Hainfa by Imam Abdullah bin Mubarak (d. 181 H):

Abu Ishaq al-Taleqani said: ‘I heard Abdullah bin al-Mubarak saying: ‘Anyone that owns the book of Abu Hanifa and uses it and spreads the opinions with it, will cause his Hajj to become void and his wife shall no longer remain lawful for him’ Then the slave of Ibn al-Mubarak said: ‘I think the one who wrote the book is Satan’. Ibn al-Mubarak replied: ‘The one who wrote the book is worse than Satan’.
Tarikh Baghdad, Volume 15 page 556

ahmed raza khan of braili also said in there book rad-e-rafidah, that shia are direast kafir of universe.

ahmed raza khan was belongs to rizvi offspring of shia, his forfather converted in to sunni.

I am dissapointed :bummer:

I thought we hindus were the *direast * kafir.

Dang!

aawwww :hug:

well it jst started… if u stick around … u’ll b endlessly disappointed…

:sheyn1:

Yes Yes … bery bery true …

We non-muslims are always dissapointed … it must be awesome not to be a kaffir :clown:

i dont know :frowning:

:fatee: i am muslim… but as per MUSLIMS i am kaffir :hinna:

Astaghfarullah, are you kidding me cause I can really take an offense to this stupid fatwa. Could you please provide the proof that Maulana Qasim or any Deabandi ever denied the finality of prohpethood. I dont care if the fatwa has been signed by Ulama of Makka or King of Egypt. It says no where ithat Jahils cannot live in Makka. The biggest jahil of all, Abu Jehal was from Makka. Would you or Ahmed Raza Khan is going to certify a fatwa signed by Abu Jehal.

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With all due respect, the person twisted the whole statement. He said that out of context.

And even then lets assume that maualna Qasim was kaafir .. so does that make all deobandis, kaafir? Your title is implying that this whole group is kaafir while your maulauna in that video himself is admitting that even Deobandis think that one who does not beleive in the finality of prohpeht is kaafir. It means that deaobandi at least are not kaafir, even if maulana qasim is.

:rotfl:

what innocence…

o bhai, the point is all muslim sects, without exception have been declared kafir by someone or another. so it doesn’t make anyone kafir if others say so.

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I thought Test01 was trying to show that every sect has been declared Kafir by scholars of at least one other sect and that, therefore, such fatwas boil down to being mere opinions.

Is that right test01? or are these your own views?

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Woops! Didnt read Chacha_Galib's post which says the same thing!

Correct.

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Just trying to provide TLK the evidence he wanted. Considering he was so offended I figured he deserved a break. :)

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Bottom line....Every one is a kaafir based on someone else's opinion

There is a book in urdu called "urdu ki akhri kitaab" (The last book of Urdu) which has the funniest illustration to drive this point home

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Yeah extremists in every sect have declared other sects Kafir, extremists in shias consider sunnis kafir and extremists in sunnis consider shia kafir, but thats not where one should look into.

Test 01, with due respect i don't know why is this so important for you that shias and sunnis should consider Ahmedis muslims since in the scanned pages in another thread a qoute of Mirza sahib is given whoch states that anyone not beleiving him is Kafir, so if the people whom you consider kafirs consider you kafir why does it matter? What you are saying sounds like, i consider you kafir but you shud consider me muslim!

Lets take a neutral approach to what Mirza sb (A.S) said.

You are waiting for a Messiah to come as prophesized by Holy Prophet SAW. Now for us that Messiah has come and for you he still has to come. Say someone comes tomorrow and declare that I am the same Messiah as prophesized by Holy Prophet of Islam SAW 1400 years ago. And you just reject him. Later on he turns out to be the correct Messiah would you not be declared kafir of that Messiah?

As per same conclusion we believe that Messiah has arrived in form of Mirza sb (A.S) and the one who does not believe him is his Kafir...I said kafir not Non-Muslim as there is a huge difference in both.