Re: Who is kafir?
LOL.
d-toxed, you are inventing new meanings to suit your stance. Never heard anywhere, like, that person is kafir but a muslim.
LOL.
d-toxed, you are inventing new meanings to suit your stance. Never heard anywhere, like, that person is kafir but a muslim.
hmm
well lets give another go shall we!
You are wating for Esa (A.S) (who is also a Messiah) to come. Esa (A.S) comes and say accept me I am the same Messiah as fortold by Holy Prophet SAW.
You say nop mate you dont look anything like Esa (A.S) to me and reject him. Are you not rejecting a Prophet of ALLAH?
Rejecting a Prophet of Allah will automatically put Kafir on anyone's forehead infact in some harsh terms Non-Muslim....however if someone says I am Muslim then no one has the right to take this title from him but Allah.
Re: Who is kafir?
^Okay, you are kafir of Essa a.s. that muslims think is yet to come and muslims are kafir of messiah you think came in last century, so both are kafirs from each others standards. So what is all the fuss about.
Re: Who is kafir?
There is a hadees that pretty much says that between two known Muslim people, if one calls the other Kafir, then one of them is Kaafir.
There is a hadees that pretty much says that between two known Muslim people, if one calls the other Kafir, then one of them is Kaafir.
The person who rejects a Prophet of Allah then he is Kafir in the EYES of Allah...what if some Muslim rejects Hadhrat Moosa (A.S)? Will he still be a Muslim?
Re: Who is kafir?
By the way the assertion that Sh. Nanotvi or Sh. Gangohi denied finality is false. The people who say this misunderstood their superior linguistic antics and infer the exact opposite of what they really said.
Peace
By the way the assertion that Sh. Nanotvi or Sh. Gangohi denied finality is false. The people who say this misunderstood their superior linguistic antics and infer the exact opposite of what they really said.
Peace
How can you say that? You are not sh nanutwi. We know what sh nanutwi said from his own words.
Probably not the correct thread for this discussion though.
LOL.
d-toxed, you are inventing new meanings to suit your stance. Never heard anywhere, like, that person is kafir but a muslim.
This is true. kafir is a relative term which means you do not believe what I do and vice versa. Muslim is an absolute term which means someone who believes in la ilaha illalah muhammad urasoolulah.
Re: Who is kafir?
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He who doubts that they are kafirs, is himself a kafir.
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this made me lol
The person who rejects a Prophet of Allah then he is Kafir in the EYES of Allah...what if some Muslim rejects Hadhrat Moosa (A.S)? Will he still be a Muslim?
I think so, cause belief on all the prophets' prophet hood is the part of Eeeman.
There is a hadees that pretty much says that between two known Muslim people, if one calls the other Kafir, then one of them is Kaafir.
I am going to use this everyday! thanks for the hadees!
This is true. kafir is a relative term which means you do not believe what I do and vice versa. Muslim is an absolute term which means someone who believes in la ilaha illalah muhammad urasoolulah.
And believes in the finality of Prophet Muhammed(saw) our rasool-ul-nabi. Anybody else who claims otherwise should be handed out harshest punishment of the land othernwise we would be stuck in discussions and the nation can't move forward. Gen Zia was best when it came to ruling a muslim country. He raised the respect of Pakistan in the eyes of the ummah. May he rest in peace.
And believes in the finality of Prophet Muhammed(saw) our rasool-ul-nabi. Anybody else who claims otherwise should be handed out harshest punishment of the land othernwise we would be stuck in discussions and the nation can't move forward. Gen Zia was best when it came to ruling a muslim country. He raised the respect of Pakistan in the eyes of the ummah. May he rest in peace.
and we all know what happened to zia ul haq .....
And believes in the finality of Prophet Muhammed(saw) our rasool-ul-nabi. Anybody else who claims otherwise should be handed out harshest punishment of the land othernwise we would be stuck in discussions and the nation can't move forward. Gen Zia was best when it came to ruling a muslim country. He raised the respect of Pakistan in the eyes of the ummah. May he rest in peace.
Brother.. I believe in the finality of Prophet P.B.U.H... but I don't agree with a person being punished with the harshest punishment of the land. Isn't it Allah SWT, the most beneficient and merciful who should decide the punishment.?
Is that the teaching of Prophet P.B.U.H? alot of people accepted islam because of the Prophet P.B.U.H. character... a lady used to throw stones at Prophet P.B.U.H. and yet Prophet P.B.U.H. never ordered a punishment for her... infact this one day she didn't throw stones at him when he passed by her house. Prophet P.B.U.,H. inquired about her and he found out she was sick so the Prophet P.B.U.H. went to her house for ayadat... and she like this attitude so much she accepted islam? If a person was kafir didn't Prophet P.B.U.H preach him ... or nauzubillah killed him.?
Where is all this extermism coming from... where are all these nice teahings of Prophet. Why you want to defame the religon... why dont u leave the faith of everyone to Allah SWT? How do you justify this view of yours?
**Types of Kufr (Disbelief)
al-Hafidh ibn Katheer
TAFSEER IBN KATHEER**
The following information was excerpted from the appendices to the English translation of TAFSEER IBN KATHEER.
The Qur'aan uses the word Kufr to denote people who cover up or hide realities. The Qur'aan uses this word to identify those who denied Allaah's favors by not accepting His Dominion and Authority. Kufr thus is an antonym for Iman or disbelief in Allaah and a Kaafir is a non-believer. This type of Kufr is called AL-KUFR UL AKBAR or major kufr. There are many types of Al-Kufr ul Akbar:
Kufrul-'Inaad: Disbelief out of stubborness. This applies to someone who knows the truth and admits to knowing the truth and admits to knowing it with his tongue, but refuses to accept it and refrains from making a declaration. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: Throw into Hell every stubborn disbeliever [Soorah Qaaf (50), Ayah 24]
Kufrul-Inkaar: Disbelief out of denial. This applies to someone who denies with both heart and tongue. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: They recognize the favors of Allaah, yet they deny them. Most of them are disbelievers. [Soorah Nahl (16), Ayah 83]
Kufrul-Kibr: Disbelief out of arrogance and pride. The disbelief by the devils (Iblees) is an example of this type of Kufr.
Kufrul-Juhood: Disbelief out of rejection.This applies to someone who aknowledges the truth in his heart, but rejects it with his tongue. This types of kufr is applicable to those who calls themselves Muslims but who reject any necessary and accepted norms of Islam such as Salaat and Zakat. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: They denied them (OUR SIGNS) even though their hearts believed in them , out of spite and arrogance. [Soorah Naml (27), Ayah 14]
Kufrul-Nifaaq: Disbelief out of hypocrisy.This applies to someone who pretends to be a believer but conceals his disbelief. Such a person is called a MUNAFIQ or hypocrite. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: Verily the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of Hell. You will find no one to help them. [Soorah An Nisaa (4), Ayah 145]
Kufrul-Istihaal: Disbelief out of trying to make HARAM into HALAL. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (Halal) that which Allaah has made unlawful (Haram) like alcohol or adultery.Only Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala has the prerogative to make things Halal and Haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith.
Kufrul-Kurh: Disbelief out of detesting any of Allaah's subhanahu wa ta'ala commands. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: Perdition (destruction) has been consigned to those who disbelieve and He will render their actions void. This is because they are averse to that which Allaah has revealed so He has made their actions fruitless. [Soorah Muhammed (47), Ayah 8-9]
Kufrul-Istihzaha: Disbelief due to mockery and derision. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: Say: Was it at Allaah, His signs and His apostles that you were mocking? Make no excuses. You have disbelieved after you have believed. [Soorah Taubah (9), ayah 65-66]
Kufrul-I'raadh: Disbelief due to avoidance. This applies to those who turn away and avoid the truth. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: And who is more unjust than he who is reminded of his Lord's signs but then turns away from them. Then he forgets what he has sent forward (for the Day of Judgement) [Soorah Kahf (18), Ayah 57]
Kufrul-Istibdaal: Disbelief because of trying to substitute Allaah's Laws. This could take the form of:
(a) Rejection of Allaah's law (Sharee'ah) without denying it
(b) Denial of Allaah's law and therefore rejecting it, or
(c) Substituting Allaah's laws with man-made laws. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: Or have they partners with Allaah who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed. [Soorah Shuraa(42), Ayah 8] Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: Say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely (that) is lawful and this is forbidden so as to invent a lie against Allaah. Verily, those who invent a lie against Allaah will never prosper. [Soorah Nahl (16), Ayah 116]
And believes in the finality of Prophet Muhammed(saw) our rasool-ul-nabi. Anybody else who claims otherwise should be handed out harshest punishment of the land othernwise we would be stuck in discussions and the nation can't move forward. Gen Zia was best when it came to ruling a muslim country. He raised the respect of Pakistan in the eyes of the ummah. May he rest in peace.
Can you prove that? The kalima says ‘no one worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad saw is his prophet'...where does it say the word Last? Don't make up your own religion. Did Allah or his rasool forget to put it and you are correcting them? Or did Allah not know what will happen in future and you have to fix it?
and we all know what happened to zia ul haq .....
do not forget this same fingure can be pointed at mirza ghlam too. then every one feels all hurt and wounded
do not forget this same fingure can be pointed at mirza ghlam too. then every one feels all hurt and wounded
Please do raise the finger and tell us how followers of ghulam ahmad (as) have prospered in the world despite bitter persecution, application of brutality and every unfair mean from the devil's book by opponents (that alone is a proof who is wrong), and enemies of Mirza ghulam ahamd (as) are being butchered and humiliated form all sides...a true picture of maghzoob-e-alaihim. Since persecution of Ahmadis began in mid seventies, Pakistan has only gone downhill..and it continues its downward journey...name a single aspect the opponents of mirza ghulam ahamd (as) could be proud of? They have totally lost any moral space and their bitter persecution hasn’t made any dent to Ahmadi community despite being apparently helpless against persecution. This is a sure sign of which side has Allah’s support.
That is not all...there is more to come for the opponents of Ahmadis...the time for respite appears to be over...
Re: Who is kafir?
