Finance Minister of Bhutto’s era saying the PM - Sharif lied on the floor of the house.
What will happen now ?
Will Mubashir Hassan be served legal notice for defamation of Respected (Would/Could be Ameer ul Momineen) Mohtaram Nawaz Sharif His Excellency & His Majesty?
Mubashir Hassan contests Sharif’s claim - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
In case someone do not want to click on hyperlink and get the full story published in Dawn:
Mubashir Hassan contests Sharif’s claimAnees Hanif — Published about 16 hours ago
DR Mubashir Hassan, the finance minister in Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s cabinet from 1971 to 1974, said on Monday that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s family did not send money ‘legally’ to start their business in Dubai during those years.
Talking to a television channel after the Mr Sharif’s speech in parliament, Dr Hassan claimed that “the PM is lying”; they (the Sharifs) were “neither granted permission nor did they seek any”. Although they came to meet him once, he refused.
“In those days it was impossible to send money legally without the State Bank’s approval,” he said.
“If they smuggled money or did money laundering, then it is a different case but they did not get State Bank’s consent for sending money abroad,” said Dr Hassan.
The prime minister had claimed in his speech that in 1972 the then government had nationalised the Ittefaq Foundry ‘without giving (his family) a single penny’ in return for the machines and land or as compensation.
The PM said that during those days his father, like other industrialists and businessmen, went to Dubai and set up the Gulf Steel Mill. The mill was inaugurated by the then ruler of Dubai.
“In April 1980, this mill was sold for 33.37 million dirhams,” said the PM.
Published in Dawn, May 18th, 2016*
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
Definitely Nawaz Sharif is lying. In 1973 I never heard of Sharifs names. Their name came up in media after mardood Ziaulhaq took over in the early eighties. The then governor Punjab Jilani picked this Sharif and appointed him Wazir-e-Khazana Punjab where he looted the khazana of Pakistan. Jilani might be returning the favor of helping toppling the legal government of ZAB then. JI was very active in this playing in the hands of ISI.
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
I consider Nawaz Sharif as liar as well, I simply can't trust a single word from his or his brother's mouth. They are simply vultures. They are very cunning, they construct one 'building' and people see "progress" but they do not see the real cost and value of that building.... and with that 'show-off' they shift tons of money from one place to another.
Whether you consider it 'tax-smart' or not, the guy is filthy rich (by looting) but still lives in his "mommy's house". That tells you how sincere he is with the country.
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
Definitely Nawaz Sharif is lying. In 1973 I never heard of Sharifs names. Their name came up in media after mardood Ziaulhaq took over in the early eighties. The then governor Punjab Jilani picked this Sharif and appointed him Wazir-e-Khazana Punjab where he looted the khazana of Pakistan. Jilani might be returning the favor of helping toppling the legal government of ZAB then. JI was very active in this playing in the hands of ISI.
The ex Governor Punjab, General Gillani did what Gen Ayoub Khan did, where later picked Bhutto out of no where and Bhutto use to call him Daddy...
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
Interestingly Pakistan is one of the few countries where if someone points out a wrongdoing; the respondent does not respond to allegations but starts delving deep to find a wrong (magnitude does not matter) and points fingers back at the accuser.
No wonder; in every area Pakistan has lagged behind every other country of our size, resources, and importance.
Gen Zia and Gen Jillani cross bred a breed which can not do any well - not because of intention but capacity. Even worse is the fact that both; moral and socio economic fabric has been shredded to pieces and now Rishwat, Sifarish, Jhoot, Corruption, Being Above the Law are all synonymous to being Powerful and part of being Elite class - even worse is the fact that in last three decades ruling junta has transformed Pakistan's People into absolute Sheeple.
And sheeple does not think - just tows a line of the master!
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
^^^
What about Gen Hamid Gul, who discovered IK...
Generally in Pakistan and particularly in PTI, one have to a agree what leadership says, even if it means praising for some one like Raja Riaz or Firdous Aashique Awan, because if you won't, you will be called names and if you don't have helicopter or private plane, you can be thrown out...so yeah sheep is the right word here.
Dr. mubashir, is he the guy behind nationalization of 70s?
The answer of above tells alot about his capability and stuff...and yes, he is a politician and must be liar.
I recall one self proclaimed revolutionary guy promising people that he not lie to them and later he calls 35 puncture video tapes a lie..oops a siyasi bayan
So keep this rhetorical attitude of generalizing Pakistanies in your own pocket, and try to fix urself and ur group first..
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If once was not enough - now in bold
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Interestingly Pakistan is one of the few countries where if someone points out a wrongdoing; the respondent does not respond to allegations but starts delving deep to find a wrong (magnitude does not matter) and points fingers back at the accuser.
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These all are liars
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Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
When I was a in Grade 3 - I was competing in an essay writing competition which covered 5 eastern states of US. My parents were proud that I was selected to compete from my school - I was brimming with confidence that I will be able to ace the contest.
In preparation for the competition; I was put into an extra class where teachers were entrusted with a simple responsibility to keep the students (essay writers) on the point of discussion and does not waver from one point to another to muddy the topic.
I did not win that 5 state competition; but I learned my lesson well "Stay On Topic" - I hope all schools teach this lesson to all of their students in Grade 3 or maybe even earlier!
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
We are such a divisive nation (nation part is still questionable) that we can not even agree to one - I repeat ONE national hero.
I had the pleasure of being in the company of Ardeshir Cowasjee in Khi and at one of those meetings the group started chatting why does our general population have this hate and attitude of either "Arsh" or "Farsh" and no patience to hear the complete argument, analyze it, and respond to it (if necessary), but everyone agreed that mostly our population has this trait; where people just wait for other to finish speaking and then spit out what their argument is irrespective of the fact that whether question is already answered, on topic or not, but mostly it is just for straight point scoring.
Adding value to the discussion is the least in priority; however louder, more obscene, and even more pun intended the response be; the better.
Alas - these are the reasons why are we where we are as a country - when in NASA's Astrophysics and several other departments Urdu was and is still not an alien language.
I always wonder what have we done to accelerate this brain drain - seldom get any answer though - but I get a lot of slack from pseudo intellectuals and pseudo nationalists who themselves are sitting outside of Pakistan (perhaps because of the same reasons that I and several hundreds and thousands left Pakistan for) yet they defend the same system in Pakistan which made them Mohajir / Migrant!
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
When I was a in Grade 3 - I was competing in an essay writing competition which covered 5 eastern states of US. My parents were proud that I was selected to compete from my school - I was brimming with confidence that I will be able to ace the contest. In preparation for the competition; I was put into an extra class where teachers were entrusted with a simple responsibility to keep the students (essay writers) on the point of discussion and does not waver from one point to another to muddy the topic. I did not win that 5 state competition; but I learned my lesson well "Stay On Topic" - I hope all schools teach this lesson to all of their students in Grade 3 or maybe even earlier!
I am sorry for interfering , Perhaps you want to point out only one thug with one of your fingers .
Other thugs are good for you perhaps , sorry again
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
I am sorry for interfering , Perhaps you want to point out only one thug with one of your fingers . Other thugs are good for you perhaps , sorry again
Original Post was in regards to two persons - I suppose
Let me read it again - maybe it's optically illusional post or maybe selectively illusional - well I can still see only two persons in question:
Nawaz Sharif (Current PM and custodian of Tax Payer's money)
Mubashir Hassan (Ex Finance Minister whose era was referenced by sitting PM)
The question was only one can be a liar; if there are two different statements.
This does not mean that if there are 200 million liars in Pakistan then we should not discuss any specific liars but if we try to do that then should discuss lies of all 200 million at the same time.
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
The ex Governor Punjab, General Gillani did what Gen Ayoub Khan did, where later picked Bhutto out of no where and Bhutto use to call him Daddy...
yeh anti Bhutto punjabion (JI supporters) ki purani aadat hay, drag ZAB into everything to nullify their crimes.
Listen and listen carefully.
ZAB was most smart and brilliant foreign minister in general Ayub Khan's regime. He was selected on merit on that position as none compete with him at that time. He left Ayub Khan during peak rule of the dictator after 1965 war. They were then staunch opponents. ZAB became PM on the basis of 1970 elections when Ayub Khan was long gone. On the other hand Nawaz Sharif was hand picked by Zia-ul-Haq as a favor in toppling the ZAB's legal government in 1977 by colluding with JI and other ISI created parties. At that time your PM was licking arse of the dictator till he was smoked over Cholistan desert. Even after many years of his death he considered mardood dictator as his real father. Looted Pakistani Khazana and became rich in the eighties. His wealth increased exponentially illegally as time passes.
Don't you guys ever feel ashamed of lying again and again?? There is absolutely no correlation with N$ became the leader of Punjabis by the dictator and ZAB became the leader of Pakistan through election process. N$ is corrupt to core where as ZAB was the most honest PM in the history of Pakistan. He had neither palaces in foreign countries, nor off shore companies made from stealing the wealth of Pakistan. Down load this fact into your brain and don't ever compare a corrupt donkey from Punjab with a brilliant and honest politician of Pakistan.
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
yeh anti Bhutto punjabion (JI supporters) ki purani aadat hay, drag ZAB into everything to nullify their crimes.
Listen and listen carefully.
ZAB was most smart and brilliant foreign minister in general Ayub Khan's regime. He was selected on merit on that position as none compete with him at that time. He left Ayub Khan during peak rule of the dictator after 1965 war. They were then staunch opponents. ZAB became PM on the basis of 1970 elections when Ayub Khan was long gone. On the other hand Nawaz Sharif was hand picked by Zia-ul-Haq as a favor in toppling the ZAB's legal government in 1977 by colluding with JI and other ISI created parties. At that time your PM was licking arse of the dictator till he was smoked over Cholistan desert. Even after many years of his death he considered mardood dictator as his real father. Looted Pakistani Khazana and became rich in the eighties. His wealth increased exponentially illegally as time passes.
Don't you guys ever feel ashamed of lying again and again?? There is absolutely no correlation with N$ became the leader of Punjabis by the dictator and ZAB became the leader of Pakistan through election process. N$ is corrupt to core where as ZAB was the most honest PM in the history of Pakistan. He had neither palaces in foreign countries, nor off shore companies made from stealing the wealth of Pakistan. Down load this fact into your brain and don't ever compare a corrupt donkey from Punjab with a brilliant and honest politician of Pakistan.
He may be smart, but his smartness, his wittiness all was of no use, a foreign minister and he couldn't save East Pakistan, when there was chance, he slapped it and tore the resolution, maybe he was too smart and sometime over smartness can kill.
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Had there been no Bhutto, Pakistan may have remained intact...industrial growth may have continued...but we have smart and robust leader Bhutto... I hope we had Indra instead of Bhutto...
And isn't it true that the grand father of Bhutto was Prime Minister of Jona GaRh state when the state was takenover by Indian Army...if true, then Bhuttos have really served Indians well...
And now about 1970's election, Bhutto lost it to Sheikh Mujeeb, Period!!!
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He may be smart, but his smartness, his wittiness all was of no use, a foreign minister and he couldn't save East Pakistan, when there was chance, he slapped it and tore the resolution, maybe he was too smart and sometime over smartness can kill. . Had there been no Bhutto, Pakistan may have remained intact...industrial growth may have continued...but we have smart and robust leader Bhutto... I hope we had Indra instead of Bhutto...
And isn't it true that the grand father of Bhutto was Prime Minister of Jona GaRh state when the state was takenover by Indian Army...if true, then Bhuttos have really served Indians well...
And now about 1970's election, Bhutto lost it to Sheikh Mujeeb, Period!!!
We are talking about corruption and lying by your leader not the rhetoric. ZAB was honest PM as comparison to your corrupt PM. Period.
You can start a new thread against ZAB, I will be there to prove how you are lying or wrong.
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
We are talking about corruption and lying by your leader not the rhetoric. ZAB was honest PM as comparison to your corrupt PM. Period.
You can start a new thread against ZAB, I will be there to prove how you are lying or wrong.
Oh yes Bhutto was corrupt. So much corrupt that his corruption and lust cost us half the country...and yes he was liar of highest caliber, South Asia yet to produce again
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
We are talking about corruption and lying by your leader not the rhetoric. ZAB was honest PM as comparison to your corrupt PM. Period.
You can start a new thread against ZAB, I will be there to prove how you are lying or wrong.
Thanks Sachaydino for the above post. Much appreciated :)
Off topic for this thread: but people who believe that East Pakistan could have remained with West Pakistan forever are living in utopia.
Question: In a comity of 190 plus countries how many poor countries (with extreme difference in culture, linguistics, traditions, and economic disparity to name a few differences) have two separate parts divided over 1600 kilometers of presumably hostile territory?
Answer: None
The distance (not literal) between East and Pakistan grew over a period of 24 years (1947 to 1971) ; we had several Govt., before the partition who did nothing to address the issues that allowed East and West wings to operate in their silos although it may seem bitter but it's a truth that even current state of Pakistan is not a mix that has survived the test of being as one country.
Question for genius members here: In 2016 is Bangladesh more of a nation or Pakistan?
Answer: __________________________________________
To point fingers and making tall claims is easy; whoever has a keyboard and internet connection can do it; Perhaps ZAB was as much involved in East and West partition as much as Nawaz is involved in CPEC.
Re: Who is a liar - Nawaz or Dr Mubashir Hassan?
yeh anti Bhutto punjabion (JI supporters) ki purani aadat hay, drag ZAB into everything to nullify their crimes.
Listen and listen carefully.
ZAB was most smart and brilliant foreign minister in general Ayub Khan's regime. He was selected on merit on that position as none compete with him at that time. He left Ayub Khan during peak rule of the dictator after 1965 war. They were then staunch opponents. ZAB became PM on the basis of 1970 elections when Ayub Khan was long gone. On the other hand Nawaz Sharif was hand picked by Zia-ul-Haq as a favor in toppling the ZAB's legal government in 1977 by colluding with JI and other ISI created parties. At that time your PM was licking arse of the dictator till he was smoked over Cholistan desert. Even after many years of his death he considered mardood dictator as his real father. Looted Pakistani Khazana and became rich in the eighties. His wealth increased exponentially illegally as time passes.
Don't you guys ever feel ashamed of lying again and again?? There is absolutely no correlation with N$ became the leader of Punjabis by the dictator and ZAB became the leader of Pakistan through election process. N$ is corrupt to core where as ZAB was the most honest PM in the history of Pakistan. He had neither palaces in foreign countries, nor off shore companies made from stealing the wealth of Pakistan. Down load this fact into your brain and don't ever compare a corrupt donkey from Punjab with a brilliant and honest politician of Pakistan.
I agree with the text highlighted in bold. On that part at least Ayub had better vision than Zia, where Ayub picked a competent FM who unfortunately didn't use his capability in a wise way in dealing with isolation of BD. Moreover, yes Bhutto was not corrupt, I would give him that credit. I wish his daughter would have been the same though.
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Thanks Sachaydino for the above post. Much appreciated :)
Off topic for this thread: but people who believe that East Pakistan could have remained with West Pakistan forever are living in utopia.
**Question: In a comity of 190 plus countries how many poor countries (with extreme difference in culture, linguistics, traditions, and economic disparity to name a few differences) have two separate parts divided over 1600 kilometers of presumably hostile territory?
Answer: None
The distance (not literal) between East and Pakistan grew over a period of 24 years (1947 to 1971) ; we had several Govt., before the partition who did nothing to address the issues that allowed East and West wings to operate in their silos although it may seem bitter but it's a truth that even current state of Pakistan is not a mix that has survived the test of being as one country.
Question for genius members here: In 2016 is Bangladesh more of a nation or Pakistan? Answer: __________________________________________
To point fingers and making tall claims is easy; whoever has a keyboard and internet connection can do it; Perhaps ZAB was as much involved in East and West partition as much as Nawaz is involved in CPEC.
That analogy would make the partition illogical then from geographical perspective. So was Jinnah wrong then?