who demolished graves of hazrath uthmaan and ummul momineen hazrath aisha

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Jannat al-Baqi (جنة البقيع) (also spelt Jannat ul-Baqi) is a famous cemetery in Madinah, Saudi Arabia, located right across from the Masjid al-Nabawi. It is well known since many of ProphetMuhammad’s {PBUH)relatives and companions are buried here, and due to its sanctity. Its name means “Tree Garden of Heaven”. Many traditions relate Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) issuing a prayer every time he passed the cemetery.
Prior to the twentieth century, many of the graves were covered with domes or other structures.

However, after the city of Madinah was taken by the forces of Ibn Saud, many of these buildings and tombs were destroyed, in order to keep with the Islamic ideal of not worshipping graves. Thus, the graveyard is now no more than a vast lot with some crude headstones made of rocks.
The Blessed Prophet has said of Baqi’, “Do you see this cemetery? Allah will resurrect seventy thousand from it on Resurrection Day, [their faces] like the moon on the night when it is full, who shall enter the Garden without prior judgement.”
Hazrat Uthman Ibn Affan is thought to be buried in jannatul baqi but so called muslims demolished his grave also.
Jannatul Baqi is a big graveyard where Hadrat Aisha, Uthman and a large number of other Sahabah are buried. There are no marks on the graves and no one there was willing to tell us which one belonged to whom
some other People Buried at Jannat al-Baqi

The grave of Hawa (Eve) in Jeddah
The grave of the father of the Prophet (s) in Madina
The house of sorrows (bayt al-Ahzan) of Sayyida Fatima (a) in Madina
The Salman al-Farsi mosque in Madina
The Raj’at ash-Shams mosque in Madina
The house of the Prophet (s) in Madina, where he lived after migrating from Makkah
The house of Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (a) in Madina
The complex (mahhalla) of Banu Hashim in Madina
The house of Imam Ali (a) where Imam Hasan (a) and Imam Husayn (a) were born
The house of Hamza and the graves of the martyrs of Uhud (a)

wassalam

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Graves were not demolished, only the hujras or darbaar which housed the grave was demolished. They were not built during the time what Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Aisha died. They were built way after when people in Saudi arabia were worshiping graves, trees and dead saints. We are talking 17th or 18th century.

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I have just come back from Madinah and though i am very much against some of the non-sense that people practice on graves of pious people, i did feel that Saudis have taken it too far.

People of other religions and nations take care of their historical sites, it gives so much insite into what happened and how the things happened in history. But unfortunately there is so little to see in history of Islam.

The grave of Hazrat Hamza is still present in Uhud and also that of Musa'ab Bin Umair, of the 70 martyrs of Uhud only these two graves are marked.

The other problem is that one is unable to find any guide who can show one places that people do not know much about.

I remember when i went 10 years ago i saw the house of Aby Ayyub Ansari where Rasoolullaah saw stayed, but this time i cud not find anyone who cud show it to me.

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Alhumdulillah I pray it stays that way!

The bid'ah people have started on the graves. THe graves should not be marked anyways, you've learned ur lesson from the sahaba, now u shud worry about ur own grave.

In Islam, no grave shud be marked, the prophet pbuh used to assemble teams that would destroy graves that had anything written on em, or images on em, or even if they were elevated.

Let them rest in peace, and know that they are there somewhere...

The evil that can be possible if only someone found out about the grave location...

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Saudis are mashaAllah away from shirk which shias have spread among Muslim Ummah within sub continent and where they exist.
Since shias do manifest shirk and call their alleged Imams for help directly, especially on their graves and on their foot steps sufis among sunnis also do the same cursed practices, Saudis demolished buildings over graves.
If it annoys Mushrikeen, then so what?

We care for the pleasure of Allah, not the criticism of Kuffar and Mushrikeen.

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And Crescent, I myself am an eye witness of the blasphemy of Quranic verses in Pakistani Graveyards which are used by so called Muslims (Sufis) and shias whose full time job is shirk and bid'aat.
In Karachi, I noticed in 3 graveyards (where I visited) that jahil people have slabs fixed over graves on which Quranic verses or surahs are engraved. And these slabs are to be fallen down, everywhere in graveyards and people unknowingly tread them under their feet. This heretic fashion is at its peak among shias, you can differentiate such slabs with shiatic signs easily.
In short, graveyards in the sub continent or shias infected places are the best place for shirk and innovations.

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Since pathetic Salafies are far away from sprituality and filled with literalism therefore it is foolish to expect form them to understand the concept of wasilah. Also the major belief of Wilayat al Takwini. Ahla Sunnah and Shia alhamdulilah do understand the concept.

Beside this fact, we shud not forget most of the saudies have in their veins the nasibi blood which made them to crush the graves of Ahlulbayt [as] and in order to hide this fact they had to destoy graves of few outsiders as well.

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I too agree that people are doing lot of shirk on graves, but, this does not mean that historical sites should be destroyed or hid from people.

Why they are doing something that was not done by Salaf, like Tabaeen and followers?

I would have liked my children to relive the history, to see for themselves things that they can only imagine.

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There is NOTHING historical about those shrines. THEY WERE BUILT SO PEOPLE CAN GO IN THEM AND WORSHIP that sahaba or person's grave! The History part of them is still there and that is that they are graves of the prophet's sahaba and family and that is all we need to know in order to RESPECT them not create shrines and darbaars like Shias and Brailvies have in Pakistan so people can WORSHIP those graves and fake peers and ghunday can use those shrines for business!

The GRAVES are still intact nor were they touched when SHRINES were destroyed as SHRINES or houses built over the GRAVES were not part of the original grave or contruction nor would the person buried there approve of that.

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guys Iconoclast is talking about historical sites, not tombs.

In the past couple of decades, so many houses of the companions and of the Prophet himself and other historical sites have been levelled to the ground only to be replaced by five star hotels. Surely it cannot be for fear of people getting involved in shirk. And even if it is, iam sure Saudis have enough resources and manpower, to appoint a couple of guards at the historical site preventing people from doin any shirk there.

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could not agree more. i mean even if one fears biddah, educate ppl rather than destroying marks of our heritage and history. ppl who wanna do biddah will find something else..

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Kaba is srounded by what use to be historical sites.... stop economic progress just because of some mud houses? Make lives of the worshippers (hajjis) harder by building hotels and resturants few miles outside the limit of kaba?

From time of prophet up until now: How many "historical" sites were demolished to expand the kaba because of growth in number of worshippers? How many "historical" sites were destroyed to expand Masjid Nabvi?

Where did the prophet stayed when he first arrived in Madina? House of Hazrat Ayub (ra). When was that demolished and purchased or whatever in order to expand the masjid?

History vs immediate and future needs. If those houses or whatever was left of them was 10 miles outside the city limit and saudis demolished then we can say they did wrong but the problem is clear cut here, Masjid-al-haram and Masjid Nabi need land to expand and make room for growing number of people coming... tight and on top of that crowded places have their problems as we've seen few times in the past during hajj!

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yeah, u know what there is technology to mark the site and also to move the bldg to a different spot just so ppl can see it. Technology is there, but the will is not there.
what is the issue in marking the spot..this is teh spot where such and such place was, and btw if you want to see the bldg its 10 miles from the center in an area where all such places and artifacts are so people can see it.

There are other creative ways to deal with space needs also..better public trsnaportation infrastructure is one.

It would be something ele if you were demolishing stuff to expand the harram sharif, but demolish it to build hotels is idiotic, hotels can be built a few thusand feet away also, it is really not going to kill ppl to walk just a little extra..

you can also take the part in the limites of the masjid but preserve and portion out the house .. cant see why that cant be done.

Again, where there is a will there is a way, with saudis there is no will.

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I used to say that alot too fraudia, until I went to makkah myself.

The biddah and shirk that goes on there...its unbelievable. They have guards, not 1 or 2, but 100s of saudi guards, with sticks, ive seen people been beaten, because htey cross their limits.

People go so out of control there, that its impossible to stop them.

They HAVE to hide the historical sites, because people get tooooo into it.

Its ok, historical sites would be neat ofcourse, but our focus and cause is greater.

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I believe, these jahil Pakistanis I mean bid'atis and Barelvis must do cursed practices in the Holy Cities, as in the shrines of saints they do lots of shirk because these saints are gods of these mushrik Muslims. I once visited Saiyid 'Ali Hajveri's shrine in Lahore, and saw ignorant people do stupid acts there. In fact such shrines of saints are centres of all types of corruption e.g drugs and prostitutes.
Moreover, Islam is not about historical sites but Islam is about Quran and Sunnah, if Saudis have really demolished houses of Sahabah then they must have good reasons for such actions, as jaani has pointed out some of them, these jahil Pakistanis (bid'atis in Pakistan) don't spare saints, they would do the worst with Sahabah and the Prophet. .

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Crescent, i am too against bida'ah and shirk. I agree that people do go out of limits, like kissing Rukney-Yamani which is not necessary and in meanwhile cause rush.

However, the tactics of management are also gone out of limit. I wanted to show my children Muqaam-e-Ibrahimi, but the guard there will not let me. But i insisted that i will show them, Allah and his Prophet saw did not prohibit seeing it. Also guards call people mad and things like that which i think are counter productive.

Moreover why to destroy houses and places that were outside the limits of Masjid Al haraam and by the way no extension has been made since last 20 years at least.

And even outside Haram, all one sees are shopping plazas, for clothes, perfumes. People are there to do Ibadah and not shopping. Also funny to see all KFC burger king outside Haram.

And debator, just imagine how much insight people and scholars would have got by examining these historical sites, it would also lay to rest false stories that cud be subjected to analysis of these sites by geologists and historians but alas all that rich history of Islam has been eroded to make place for KFC.

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By the way who goes to KFC?

The Saudi King or a Pakistani haji for example?

Hujjaj are humans, they need food to live and it is not haraam for them if they eat burgers etc in days of hajj.

I am interested to know which historical siteexisted before **exactly **where KFC restaurant is located now.

back after a hell of a long time....
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Hajis were not starving even B4 KFC. But this is beside the point. I was merely responding to Jaan Leeva's comment that immediate needs priority over historical sites. But i say that people travel from all over the globe to see these places and they would not mind travelling a little more to preserve these sites.

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I know someone who use to work at masjid nabvi (cleaning, etc.), that person tells stories about shias and brailvies and what they do when visiting the masjid.

Literally, during prayer and outside prayer they try to do sajda to the grave of the prophet and the police has to come and literally pick them up and turn them towards Kaba. Yes, it is that bad.

Saudi will is to provide spacious facilities to people who come to see and worship the HOLY sites not historical sites. Historical sites have little or no significance when easy and painless access to the holy sites is concerned.

If technology is there, why do countries in the west suffer from the traffic problem? Why is there so much congestion? Why do they keep WIDENING the roads in order to accomodate more cars? I mean, since TECHNOLOGY is there and I am sure will is too so what is the problem? Technology can't put two cars at the same spot and make sure that they run without turning into a pile up. Saudia isn't so special either, you can't put 2, 3 million people where half million USE to worship. It is not going to happen and technology can't help if you got some solid ideas on how technology CAN help, I would love to see the concept.

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I agree that people do lot of these stupid things but why to punish those who do not. There are many people like me who do not do these Bida'ahs but would like to see the historical sites, why to prevent them. And people who do these things will continue to do them. Why millions of Muslim with right aqeeda be prevented from seeing the history of Islam.

And there are many places that are far far away from Masjid Nabawi that are closed to public, for example teh area of "Khandaq" used to be open and used to have 7 mosques, now it has been fenced off.

While at same time lot of nuisance exists for pilgrims that no one takes care of. Like in Jabal AlRahma (Arafaat) one will find many people with camels asking pilgrims to take a ride or get a photo. These camels relieve themselves at base of Jabal on the road, making it stinky but nothing seems to be done about it.