Please read the following from Quran. From this I understand that Only Allah makes anything Halal or Haram. Even prophet(SAW) cannot decree anything halal or haram. So how come :
Music is haram.
Picture , tv, dvd, iPod , cinematography is harm.
Silk for men is haram.
Gold for men is haram.
Some will say it is from Hadees. Hadees is not word of Allah. Some will say Hadees is word of Allah because our Prophet(SAW) got revelations by various means and our Prophet(SAW) got revelations in other ways. I agree and believe in that but Allah has decreed in Quran that Prophets cannot make anything halal or haram. It means Quran is the only source of halal and haram.
Please do not try to prove with twisted interpretaions of some verses of Quran. Show me a direct order for Hurmat of these things .
Please enlighten me. I might be misguided.
“Oh Prophet, WHY do you forbid “TUHARAM” that which God has made lawful “AHAL” in order to please your wives. God is Merciful and Forgiving. God has decreed to you how to revoke your oaths, and God is your Lord. He is most Wise and Knowledgeable” (66/1-2)
“And do not say lies for what your tongues describes: this is lawful (HALAL), and that is unlawful (HARAM), to lie about God. Those who lie about God will never succeed. They will have small pleasures (on Earth), AND FOR THEM IS A PAINFUL RETRIBUTION” (16/116-117)
“Say 'Do you see that which God has provided for you, you make some of it Unlawful (Haram) and some of it Lawful (Halal)?. Say 'Did God allow you to do this? Or do you tell lies about God?” (10/59)
“Say 'who has made Unlawful (Haram) the luxuries that God has provided his servants and the good things?..” (7/32)
Some will say it is from Hadees. Hadees is not word of Allah. Some will say Hadees is word of Allah because our Prophet(SAW) got revelations by various means and our Prophet(SAW) got revelations in other ways. **I agree and believe in that **but Allah has decreed in Quran that Prophets cannot make anything halal or haram. It means Quran is the only source of halal and haram.
If you believe in that then what's the problem in accepting whatever Prophet (SAW) has told us.
Holy Quran
059.007 That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships, it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you.** And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.
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If you believe in that then what's the problem in accepting whatever Prophet (SAW) has told us.
Holy Quran
059.007 That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships, it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you.** And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. **
This is the twisted logic I am talking about. The concept I am talking about is bigger than the bounty of war. Allah is not giving holy Prophet (SAW) the authority to declared Halal or Haram throgh these verses. These verses are about bounty of war and the share thereof.
This is the twisted logic I am talking about. The concept I am talking about is bigger than the bounty of war. Allah is not giving holy Prophet (SAW) the authority to declared Halal or Haram throgh these verses. These verses are about bounty of war and the share thereof.
No its about every order that Prophet(SAW) gives you.
Also in surah nisa, 80. He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah. But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).
No its about every order that Prophet(SAW) gives you.
Also in surah nisa,
80. He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah. But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).
Peace sister Hareem,
If that is so, then how about :
نحن أعلم بما يقولون وما أنت عليهم بجبار فذكر بالقرءان **من يخاف وعيد
We know what they assert, and you are not to enfore with tyrany upon them, **so remind with The Reading (bi-l-Qur'an), any heedful to what is promised.
Peace sister Hareem,
If that is so, then how about :
نحن أعلم بما يقولون وما أنت عليهم بجبار فذكر بالقرءان **من يخاف وعيد
We know what they assert, and you are not to enfore with tyrany upon them, **so remind with The Reading (bi-l-Qur'an), any heedful to what is promised.
Peace bro. hypnotix-2000
Then the prophet Muhammad (SAW) will just read out what Hareem01 has just quoted.
Peace sister Hareem,
If that is so, then how about :
نحن أعلم بما يقولون وما أنت عليهم بجبار فذكر بالقرءان **من يخاف وعيد
We know what they assert, and you are not to enfore with tyrany upon them, **so remind with The Reading (bi-l-Qur'an), any heedful to what is promised.
brother
I don't see any contradiction between two ayahs.
I don't either sister. I just don't think it approves or even mentions any para-Quranic revelations (which is the traditional premise for what is asserted).
why missed this?
and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer
Because those are meritorious recipients that are logical. I find it strange that giving loot to one person (granted, the best person that ever lived or will) and their kin is in scripture. It diminishes the point you wanted to make becuase the part that follows it is now less righteous and meaningful: And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.
Even if you were to say that we need to look to the prophet to fill in the gaps, why are there dire conradictions?
On one hand, we can't listen to music or watch dance or any performing arts.
On the other hand, the Prophet (SAW) took Aisha (R) to see woman's arts performance.
Either there is contradiction, or there is serious misinterpretation of what is halaal and what is not (I think its the latter).
Are you sure it was Woman's arts performance?
I think sometimes its the fault of our memory, sometimes we can't recall the right wordings of a hadith and we remove or add things from ourselves to the ahadith.
I think sometimes its the fault of our memory, sometimes we can't recall the right wordings of a hadith and we remove or add things from ourselves to the ahadith.
Here is the hadees:
r40.4 (Nawawi: (n: with commentary by Muhammad Shirbini Khatib)) It is not prohibited to dance ((Shirbini:) which is not unlawful because it is only motions made while standing or bowing. Furani and others have expressly stated that neither is it offensive, but rather is permissible, as is attested to by the hadith related in the Sahihs of Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) stood before 'A'isha (Allah be well pleased with her) to screen her from view so that she could observe the Abyssinians sporting and dancing) —unless it is languid, like the movements of the effeminate (Mughni al-muhtaj ila ma'rifa ma'am alfaz al-Minhaj (y73), 4.430).
I don't either sister. I just don't think it approves or even mentions any para-Quranic revelations (which is the traditional premise for what is asserted).
Peace hypnotix-2000
I hope you will agree with me that bi in Arabic as a precursor to a noun takes the meaning
with i.e. it means including and from within
however, min is only from within.
BilQuran therefore means that the Qur'an should be used with the advice being given or as the advise being given. You will also see that it is natural for us to quote the Qur'an as evidence and provide our reasoning with thise quotes to support our arguments.
Hadith should be viewed as the context behind the Qur'an in most instances.
Here is the hadees:
r40.4 (Nawawi: (n: with commentary by Muhammad Shirbini Khatib)) It is not prohibited to dance ((Shirbini:) which is not unlawful because it is only motions made while standing or bowing. Furani and others have expressly stated that neither is it offensive, but rather is permissible, as is attested to by the hadith related in the Sahihs of Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) stood before 'A'isha (Allah be well pleased with her) to screen her from view so that she could observe the Abyssinians sporting and dancing) —unless it is languid, like the movements of the effeminate (Mughni al-muhtaj ila ma'rifa ma'am alfaz al-Minhaj (y73), 4.430).
Peace bro. not so dumb
You have quoted a ruling not a hadith. No one said that it was not permissible to dance, and again no one has quoted the full story behind the event when the show of the spearmen was done and what Muhammad (SAW) was doing at the time and what conclusions can be drawn from it. No one says that dancing is prohibitted but it is down right false to assert that dancing is a preferable act or even a thing for the pious to indulge in. It is and was a thing to avoid because it can attract godlessness. The proof is in the pudding ... what type of people do dance houses attract and what type of people do masaajid attract? Just an example. Note: No one is saying anything about prohibition here.
When it comes to law ... Shari'ah may choose to impose a law that makes it illegal to do something but not haram, due to being cautious about preventing a fitnah.
Peace bro Psyah,
While you are entitled to your opinion, I think the "bi" renders needlessness for any para-Quranic material (i.e. the alleged Hadith of the prophet), other than one's own common-sense/intellect.
Regards
Peace hypnotix-2000
I hope you will agree with me that bi in Arabic as a precursor to a noun takes the meaning
with i.e. it means including and from within
however, min is only from within.
BilQuran therefore means that the Qur'an should be used with the advice being given or as the advise being given. You will also see that it is natural for us to quote the Qur'an as evidence and provide our reasoning with thise quotes to support our arguments.
Hadith should be viewed as the context behind the Qur'an in most instances.
Peace bro Psyah,
While you are entitled to your opinion, I think the "bi" renders needlessness for any para-Quranic material (i.e. the alleged Hadith of the prophet), other than one's own common-sense/intellect.
Regards
Peace bro.
I value your opinion too and agree with most of your points. Needlessness it does not render. Common sense and intellect are themselves para-Quranic as is the guided response of Muhammad (SAW) when this ayah was first revealed to him.
The scholars too can affectively bring together material from other angles to put more light in to the equation for us with their intellects and reasoning powers, and support material from narrations in the past.