Who decides what is Halal and what is Haram ?

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Salam all,

the funniest thing in this thread is people saying "I think its..", "maybe its", "oh how about this".

None of you are scholars, please refrain from passing out quran and hadith as if we all are aware of the context, the interpretation, and meaning.

Wsalam

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Peace bro,
Yes I agree with this, but I think this explains the origin of Hadith itself (which I believe are not really the sayings of the exalted prophet, regardless of how pious an image they present of him)... if the messenger is to remind bi-l-Quran, then obeying the messenger sits within confines of the Quran only, and not beyond it other than what is a person's God given intellect/sensory-inputs.

One of the foremost examples is a Hadith people have quoted more than on one occasion (I cannot recall the citation - if someone can provide reference, then great) that "if a person is planting a tree and the trumpet is blown, he should continue planting the tree." While this is an excellent saying, this concept of Qiyaamah is more in line with other Semitic faiths, and alien to the Quran (which in my opinion is saying that we meet our maker when we are worthy of it).

Even if you were to contend that what I say is incorrect, then may I present the real source of this saying by Rabbi Yohanan ben Zakai form the 1st Century CE "If you are planting a tree and you hear that the Messiah has come (i.e. Judgment day according to the Messianic Jews/Nasarenes) then first finish planting the tree".

While one can still contend that this could be a coincidence, I would say that the odds of tree-planting and end-of-days are just not there, unless this saying is indeed plagiarized by a later convert (even if not done so to tarnish the prophet's image). If it is, then this presents a problem for Hadith apologists...

Here I agree with Seminole's post on the other thread:

I go so far as saying that this was the whole motivation behind creating the Islamic tradition...


Peace Bro,
While I appreciate the enthusiasm of checking with the "scholars", I do not share it :)

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:salam:

I think I will agree with the BilQuran discussion that the messenger is to remind what awaits from within the confines of the Quran as is described by all the verses preceding the verse you quoted from Surah Qaf (the last verse), though I cannot find a connection with the topic of this thread.

About the hadith, a reference will be appreciated for both versions unless I can find it myself.

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Peace bro. Crescent_

JazakAllah Khair for reminding me of my limitations. May Allah (SWT) humble me.

From memory is what I mean when I say 'I think' and I use it to summate an understanding that I have obtained from reading, the practice of traditions, what given ulema have said and similar context discussions. I don't actually mean that it is 'my interpretation'. This I try to avoid until necessary.

The argument regarding 'bi' in Arabic is a linguistic one not directly a Qur'anic one.

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I found this at an Islamic Website it is though provoking>
What is Unlawful in General?:
"Say 'Come, let me tell you what God has made Unlawful (HARM)':
That you set-up partners with Him,
that you are unkind to your parents,
that you kill your children for fear of starvation; We will provide for you and them.
Do not come near evil deeds (Fahsha'a) what is apparent and what is hidden;
do not kill the soul that God has made except by that which is just. That is what God prescribes for you may you understand.
And do not take the funds of the orphans until they reach maturity, except for what is good for them.
And be just when weighing the scales or giving portions (in trade). We do not burden a soul except with what it can handle.
And if you speak, be just, even if it is with relatives.
And fulfill any oaths you have made in God's name.
This is what God prescribes for you, may you remember." (6/151-152)
Also...
"Say 'my Lord forbids (Haram)
evil deeds which are apparent and hidden;
and aggression without justification;
and that you establish partners to God;
and that you say about God what you do not know" (7/33)

As for the Food that is Unlawful:
"Say 'I find no food forbidden (Muharam) in what is revealed to me except that it be:
Animals that die of themselves;
Running blood;
The meat of pigs, for it is contaminated;
That which has been sacrificed for other than God.
He who must eat these for dire need has no sin, your Lord is forgiving and merciful" (6/145)

And for what is Unlawful in Marriage:
"Unlawful for you (in marriage) are:
your mothers,
your daughters,
your sisters,
the sisters of your fathers,
the sisters of your mothers,
the daughters of your brother,
the daughters of your sister,
your nursing mothers,
the girls who nursed from the same woman as you,
the mothers of your wives,
the daughters of your wives with whom you have consummated the marriage--if the marriage has not been consummated, you may marry the daughter.
Also prohibited for you are the women who were married to your genetic sons.
Also, you shall not be married to two sisters at the same time--except if this is already the case. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful."
Also Unlawful are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you.
These are GOD's commandments to you..." (4/23-24)
Also...
"Do not marry the women who set-up partners with God until they believe..." (2/221)

What is Unlawful in Trade:
"...God has made trade Lawful (Halal) and forbidden (Haram) usury..." (2/275)

HALAL
All things that are not mentioned as being Haram, are, by default, Halal.
Yes, that is how simple things are. What God did not mention as being Haram, is ALLOWED by the Almighty for His servants.
We are NOT to play the role of God and falsely claim this is Haram or that is Haram because of our personal desires. We must REMEMBER that these words may only be uttered by our Lord and Master, and that He has already spoken.
Please remember this the next time someone asks you: "Is this Haram?", and tell them that if it was never mentioned by God, then no power on Earth can make it Haram.

May God guide us all to His light.

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^Is meat of snake, mouse and dog halal?

BRIDAL PICS.
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Quran distinguishes between wild animals and animals raised or fit for human consumption. It is now your judgement which one falls in which category:

“Prohibited for you are animals that die of themselves, blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than God. strangled, struck with an object, fallen from a height, gored, attacked by a wild animal--unless you save your animal before it dies--and animals sacrificed on altars. Also prohibited is dividing the meat through a game of chance; this is an abomination. Today, the disbelievers have given up concerning your religion; do not fear them and fear Me instead. Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Islam (Submission) as the religion for you. If one is forced by famine (to eat prohibited food ), without being deliberately sinful, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.” 5:3

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Can you please provide an ayah from Quran that distinguishes between wild animals and animals raised or fit for human consumption?
Mouse is not a wild animal, right? So what does God say about the status of mouse meat in Quran also what is the status of a wild deer's meat according to Qur'an?

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Peace bro "dumb" :) and sis Hareem

I think the word used is السبع which (along with the whole context) refers to predatory and omnivorous animals, or those that feed on dead flesh (including mice, vultures etc)...

On a sidenote, a horse obviously is too valuable a commodity (to the level of nobility/royalty) to be eaten, hence spared by the sword... but the camel is on the "eat-it" list even when it is a means of transport :)

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Camel meat tastes good the last time I tried it. Good nihari.

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Assalamalikum,

Its understandable if something can be assured and verified by general knowledge, but when it comes to matters of deep interpertation and extracting out the meaning, to clear away any contradiction in our islamic literature, I honestly cannot comprehend that we are competent enough to reach the proper conclusion.

Scholars, who know the history of the Prophet pbut, have studied the books, memorized the Quran, and know arabic, as well as the lives of the pious predessors, can give you a better ruling on a certain issue.

They also have *isnad *and *ijaza *from the ullema to pass such a ruling. Such is the Adhaab of being an alim, and the responsibility.

This again does not refer to general knowledge, or when a brother shares something from memory, its when we try to interpret Islam in our own way.

Hope I got the point through :)

JazakAllah ,
Wsalam all