Dude…there is nothign wrong with forcing people to pray. The Taliban set up an islamic government where, in order to be a first class citizen, you have to keep up with the 5 pillars of Islam.
The Prophet himself said in a well known hadith…that had he not feared for the women and children, he’d have burned the houses of those men who dont come to Masjid for the fardh prayers. This shows you how serious the Prophet was for attending the fardh in the Masjid…you can only imagine how serious would he have been for those who dont pray at all.
Keeping beards is compulsory too, as shown by various hadith where the Prophet forbade cutting the beard. The women issue is slightly more complex, and has more to do with the situation afghanistan was in before the Taliban came to rule. Any man could take any women and rape her…and there was absolutely no law that would punish him. So in order to put an end to the situation certain drastic measures were taken, and one can only understand the situation if one goes and sees the place for himself.
As far as your comment that, Munafiqat arises after living under a Taliban like govt, all i gotta say is Subhanallah…So people who are waging Jihad against the Kuffars are Munafiqs…and us lot living under Kufr laws and very much happy with them are Momineen and Muwahideen.
Keeping beards is not compulsory in Islam, it is sunnah. Thsoe who do not understand difference between sunnah and fard, are not worthy of leading an Islamic state
You can’t pass unfair laws against anyone due to the situation and I don’t buy their excuse of safety for women. They had enough manpower to beat women if they accidently showed their ankles, so why not stop rapists?
There is everything wrong with forcing people to pray. No compulsion in religion or do we ignore that because of the “situation”? No one doubts the seriousness of namaz, but you still can’t force people to pray and remain a true Muslim.
There is no distinction of 1st class or 2nd class Muslim. This is a hindu caste concept perhaps.
People who are forced to pray, keep beard, wear burqa when they don’t beliveve in their hearts, they are munafiq as per the definition.
This is the damage Taliban did to Islam in Aghanistan. Let this be an example to all who disobey Allah’s commands.
People who live under oppresive Islamic or any other religous state do tend to become Munafiq... For one thing, when the religion is forced, the religion becomes one that is imposed and thus alienated from the people. If I person is not allowed to practice their religion on their own, and develop their own sense of piety, you will have people who no longer feel their religion is their own.
Iran is a good example of this... Many Iranis I have met keep very little affiliation with their faith. This is all due to the overbearing society they have lived under. Islam becomes a suffocating factor not an enlightening one.. I recently listened to an interview in which a supporter of the Ayatollah now says that the govt has harmed the country in many ways including "robbing the people of their Islam."
It is true that the Pakistan goverment did support and train the Taliban for it's own ends and then also ditched them when it was convenient but the majority of the Taliban are Pashtuns (original ethnic Afghans, Pashtun is synonomous to Afghan) from Afghanistan, you can't get more Afghan than that. A bit rich, Tajiks and Hazaras referring to Pashtuns as non-Afghans and Pakistanis, lol lol.
Some of them maybe foreign but they are a minority.
The Americans once supported the Mujahideen against the Ruskies for its own ends, didn't make the Mujahideen a bunch of Yankees did it?
Keeping a beard is wajib, and all scholars agree on this. Wajib is that which has been made mandatory by the Prophet (sas), as compared to fardh which Allah has made compulsory in his Quran.
**Cut the moustaches and grow your beards. Be different from the Magians **(followers of a religion that dominated in Persia). [Muslim]
Cut your moustaches and leave your beards alone. Be different from the people of the scripture. [Muslim]
Be different from the Mushrikin (those who worship other than Allah (T)); trim your moustaches and save your beards. [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
This hadith clearly show that the Prophet (sas) forbade cutting or trimming of the beard and that keep the beard is a mandatory act.
If only you’d use you mind than merely relying on cnn/fox/bbc you’d find out that rape cases died out during the Taliban regime, and this was achieved by a two-way action. Preventing women from showing themselves off, and hence luring the men into that which was evil…and secondly cracking down on rapists.
The following is an extract from tafsir ibn Kathir explain what..the “there is no compulsion in religion” part of the ayaah really means.
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ
(There is no compulsion in religion), meaning, "Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty. Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.‘’
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This verse was revealed regarding non muslims, and does not apply to muslims. Once a muslim, there’s no way out of Islam and when you’re a muslim you have to comply with the 5 pillars of islam.
Ok now you have to quote me wrong, in order to prove your point? What i said was 1st class citizen. And in an islamic state all muslims get to be Ist class citizens. Jizya paying non-muslims get to live as 2nd class citizens.
And if they dont pray they become Kafirs. So tell me whats worse..being a potential munafiq or being a confirmed kafir?
In the end we do fall back upon kafir sources, dont we?
No need for Western media to see how they were wrong in their actions as reported by local media as well.
My first hand experiance with taliban was very different, they were GOD fearing mujahideen fighting for islam and who established an islamic state best suitable for thier country.
Ivoone ridley, Dr javed iqbal and many other unbiased commentators confirm the rightfulness & commitment of taliban.
And we all know of the massacres committed by Taliban and Northern Alliance from local news reports. Both these groups have very little to do with Islam or Islamic governance. The sooner you give up your prejudice and keep an open mind to the truth, you will gain a better understating of this Taliban movement. They are backed by the same mullahs who have very little understanding of Islamic moderation. These same mullahs believe it is ok to kill innocent people, Muslims and non Muslims who have different beliefs from them.
One cannot support such jihalat and then claim to be a good Muslim.
Oh you psedo secularist. why you are maligning the Taliban. Are they doing anything different from Islamic History. Read Islamic history and narrations first and decide or declare something non islamic
Bukharee, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 512:Narrated Anas:The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their men killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet .
Bukhari yol 3,Book46, No. 717"Narrated Ibn Aun:Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day.
"Sirat e Rasulullah" by Ishaq, pge 464After 800-900 male adults of Bani Quraiza were beheaded in batches, and thrown in trenches dug in Madina, the apostle divided their property, wives and children as booty. . He took Rayhana d. Amr b. Khunafa for himself.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 2996: Narrated Muhayyisah: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them.
Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
Ishaq:489 "Do the *******s think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing."
I have often read these kind of allegations about the holy prophet but couldnt believe all that, will someone come ahead to refute the claims of truth finder?
Sharabbi, all the Javed Iqbals, Yyone Ridelys, and Mullah Omars, or justifications, excuses and explanations in this world cannot contradict what is in the Quran. No Islamic state has authority to force people to grow beards, go to prayers, or follow any hadith, as that is munafiqat. IT did not happen in the Prophets' (pbuh) time and it should not happen in our time.
I'm sorry to see that you so easily ignore the Holy Quran in order to follow your own political views on Taliban.
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.” 2:256
“And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.” 88:21
“But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).” 16:82
“He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).” 4:80
There is no need to debate, when you have the explicit command from Allah. Will you also nauzibillah accuse the Quran of being a "kafir source"?
Another good example is Iran as pakpatriot tells us of the danger of not following Allah's commands.
Its a well established and well documented fact that even the likes of CNN and Fox and all the rest of the Western media have reported on, execpt for those paid reporters on news mags on FOX and CNN, who like to pursue their agenda through fallacies which are clearly contrary to the situation on ground...
that the Taliban got rid of the menacing militias and warlords who operated and extorted with impunity and kidnapped women, girls and boys for their pleasure so much as they desired...Not only that, according Oria Maqbool Jan, a respected editorial writer of Jung, who had the pleasure of going to Afghanistan, that all the goods that came to Afghanistan and that used to sit in the warehouses of the border towns in Afghanistan had no security and nobody had the balls to go steal anything....
Then there was the well documentated case of eradication of opium production, which fuelled the warlords...
But contrary to these well documented facts, the secular islamophobic degenerates of this world, partiuclarly so those of Pakistan, like to state things that are contrary to hard facts...
Thank god the female missionaries who were detained by the Taliban right before the American bombing/attack on Afghanistan were under detention of Taliban...had they been detained by they americans they'd be most likely raped, forced to masterbate, striped naked, and beaten to death
egjactly egjactly..
:k: she says it all for them…
but then again why should we speculate about them so much…
they are trying to live according to islam in a country torn apart by war and is one the most arid and difficult terrains in the world (so proven by the US military and NATO alliance crying for their downed choppers and soldiers all the time).
they will be rough in their attire and ways, they will attract attention as the realistically live in caves in 2006 where the western world drives luxorious cars, eat fattening food, drinks to its hearts desire, lives literally as kings…
Unlike the Northern Alliance? OOhhh...that's right...we're talking about AMERICAN innocent civilians here...anyother 'civilian' can't possibly be 'innocent'.
And this is just the thing...the Talib's reaction the missionaries was an emotional one. When the Americans engineer torture sessions, they do so with a cold calculated pretense, no doubt approved by some Army psychologist. Sick....
*Cut the moustaches and grow your beards. Be different from the Magians *(followers of a religion that dominated in Persia). [Muslim]
Cut your moustaches and leave your beards alone. Be different from the people of the scripture. [Muslim]
Be different from the Mushrikin (those who worship other than Allah (T)); trim your moustaches and save your beards. [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
Dude, what those Hadith confirm without a doubt is that copying the Kafir is a no-no...and that the trimming of moutaches and growing of the beard was very much time-and-place dependent manfistation of showing this difference.
Nothing irks me more than a designer trouser wearing guy with a long beard and no moustache...driving away in a white benz with licence plate 4ALLAH. Dude missed the damn point.
Needless to say, in spite of trivial complaints of growing beards or goading people to prayers...they did in fact (by their own admission and by solid claims from witnesses) massacre the Hazzara by the hundreads, if not thousands...they were hardly perfect and took great liberty in the punishments they dished out inspite of the fact that Islamic tradition (esp. that established by Hzrt. Omar) demands that in harsh times punishment be diminished or deferred. They were clumsy in their execution and management of governence, and were unfit in the role of governance. No amount of hadith citing will get around this basic point.
Nothing irks me more than a designer trouser wearing guy with a long beard and no moustache...driving away in a white benz with licence plate 4ALLAH. Dude missed the damn point.
Needless to say, in spite of trivial complaints of growing beards or goading people to prayers...they did in fact massacre the Hazzara by the hundreads, if not thousands...they were hardly perfect and took great liberty in the punishments they dished out inspite of the fact that Islamic tradition (esp. that established by Hzrt. Omar) demands that in harsh times punishment be diminished or deferred. They were clumsy in their execution and management of governence, and were unfit in the role of governance. No amount of hadith citing will get around this basic point.
No they did not massaccre the hazaras for being hazaras...the only people they did masaccre, in retaliation, were the Hizb-e-wahadat degenerates who had earlier massacred thousands of Taliban when they recaptured Mazar-e-Sharif...
Not to mention the fact that crime had virtually ceased, rape was non existent wheras under the norther alliance, this as well as other abuses were at an epidemic level. (nothing was done to stop the sexual abuse of women)
These are only but a few reasons why the taliban were supported my the masses when they took over. They provided securtity for the ppl that they never had.
Media only shows you propaganda which is worthless to the truthseekers.
The reality in fact was the exact opposite of what the fascist media tried to show. Former ambassadors to the region will tell you this....
