Re: who claims that Taliban are right ?
I rely on my experience in talking with a former Taliban fighter and I can tell you that they do not know the first thing about Islam. They just followed what their mullah told them.
No need for Western media to see how they were wrong in their actions as reported by local media as well.
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No need for Western media to see how they were wrong in their actions as reported by local media as well.
ok .. so you're basically making a ruling on the entire group, after taking to just one person from that group? wow, you so smart...
AND...every other person in the Taliban is not required to be a scholar, he's a foot soldier for heavens sake..soldiers take orders, they're not theologians, and secondly your version of Islam would be totally different to a Talib, so naturally you wouldn't agree to what he'd be saying...and hence you're more than likely to say that he wouldn't know the first thing about Islam.
And this is all...if you're telling the truth, in the first place, that you did ever talk to a talib.
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HAHA...yeaa righteous according to US standards.
Well what the heading means is .. are they righteous according to ISLAM. And Islam teaches us not to forsake a fellow muslim brother when he's in need, and especially not when the non muslims are after him..regardless of what he's done.
Hence what they did..was Islamically right.
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I claim that Taliban impled ppl to follow the Islamic rules..for ex. Taliban forced ppl to pray five times... I heard of someone who said "they tell u to pray even though if u had pray five minets ago in someother mosque, they would force u to pray again".... I don't think Islam teaches that we should push one to get him/her on the right track, all you can do is to give dawah to someone who u think is not praying since Islam is the religion of peace.... A good example of that is when our Prophet (pbuh) invaded mekka he let the kuffar free to practice their religion no one was forced to become muslim....
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Ask the most secular Dr. Javed Iqbal about them... the first hand expereince.
I agree
Dr. Javed Iqbal's comments are real eye opener
He said if the kind of governement like Taliban gets established in a few more countries, the whole world will become Muslim. (If I am quoting his using inappropriate words, please someone correct me)
I heard this in Dr. Israar's Speach, and I cannot find the link right now..... But I'll try
How can the media and the rest of the infidel wrld will tollerate it when what they are fighting back is to stop the establishment of an Islamic state anywhere in the world, in naked words.....
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True, how could the rest of infidel/munafiq world would have tolerated the great Talibaan Governent, thats why one infidel country attacked it with the help of another infidel country. Back stabbing fetch huge price sometimes. SHAME.
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Yes this all happened but the media will never tell this.
The media has mutilated them so much
And our Muslim minds are so swept by what is infused in their minds.....
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Infidels are hereby reminded to keep their prejudiced views aside.
If you have something to say other than mocking, bikering or critizing and making argument for the sake of arguments, go ahead. Otherwise, keep your beak shut.
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Brother does reality bites really hard? I heard someone saying so, whats ur experience with reality? and what stops u from facing it?
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I am giving you one anecdote. I have also listened to speeches by other prominent figures connected to the Taliban and all of them have come across as fanatics who justify every action of killing innocents as being allowed in jihad.
And we all know of the massacres committed by Taliban and Northern Alliance from local news reports. Both these groups have very little to do with Islam or Islamic governance. The sooner you give up your prejudice and keep an open mind to the truth, you will gain a better understating of this Taliban movement. They are backed by the same mullahs who have very little understanding of Islamic moderation. These same mullahs believe it is ok to kill innocent people, Muslims and non Muslims who have different beliefs from them.
One cannot support such jihalat and then claim to be a good Muslim.
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Those who are spewing indiscriminate vonom about Taliban read this book
IN THE HANDS OF TALIBAN
by
Yvonne Ridley
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I admire them for the security they brought to their country, women/girls were no longer abducted and could go out and take lunch to their husbands working in the fields, they did have jobs and education for women but obviously they couldn't give them the manly jobs and you have to keep in mind they were a third world country with sanctions from everyone so they had a hard time educating their boys even, drugs production stopped, abominations such as gay paedophillia (Zeus-Ganymede type relationships which are part of ancient Turkic and Iranic cultures) and prostitution were made illegal and stopped.. End to violence and mad killings which are a part of ancient Afghan culture, when Afghans argue with each other they don't use words they reach straight for the klashinkov but the Taliban put a stop to that. Women observed the veil, men grew beards and it was just a lot easier for everyone to live according to Islam.
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Wooho **you r going too fast.. lemme make one thing clear...where did Taliban came from...we all know very well they are **mainly from Pakistan.. and Why did they come to a foreign country..to bring an ISLAMIC GOV't...ok....First of all Afghanistan is an ISLAMIC country from the beginning...** NOW tell me abit about **PAKISTAN itself... wt kinda societies we have in the main cities of Pak like Karachi Lahore Islamabad.... does everymen has beard, do all women put hijaab or at least cover their faces when they are out...wt kinda movies pakistan's film industry produces...How many ppl watch those films DON'T tell me that its not pakistanis.....Why don't TALIBAN start out from PAKISTAN itself.. Its Pakistanis who needs to follow the Islamic rules...Taliban force ppl in Afghanistan to pray... where in Islam it says that one should impel instead of giving dawah to follow Islamic path...I give u an example... when our Prophet (pbuh) invaded mekka he did not push kuffar to become muslim infact he let them practice their religion... there is verious other stuff that Taliban added from themselves considering it as Islamic laws.
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And we all know of the massacres committed by Taliban and Northern Alliance from local news reports. Both these groups have very little to do with Islam or Islamic governance. The sooner you give up your prejudice and keep an open mind to the truth, you will gain a better understating of this Taliban movement. They are backed by the same mullahs who have very little understanding of Islamic moderation. These same mullahs believe it is ok to kill innocent people, Muslims and non Muslims who have different beliefs from them.
One cannot support such jihalat and then claim to be a good Muslim.
here we go with the ranting again; taliban kill innocents, taliban are evil, they are fanatics...and with no proofs at all.
You talk about prominent figures..who'd be more prominent that Dr. Javed Iqbal or Yvonne Ridley who converted to Islam after her experience with the Taliban.
The only people who had a problem with the Taliban were the kuffar and those are dont want to see teh Shariah of Allah implemented on this earth....if you seem to have a problem with them, you should check where your priorities lie.
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You need to get your facts right first. The Taliban were Pukhtoon Afghans. Mullah Omar was born near Kandahar in Afghanistan. So your basic premise that the Taliban were Pakistanis is false and that basically destroys your entire argument.
A country is Islamic only when it is being ruled completely by Shariah, the Islamic Law.
And as far as forcing muslims to Salaah; Salah is fardh and all of the companions held the view that he who does not pray is a Kafir..as seen from teh well known hadith of the Prophet (sas), that what differentiates a Kafir from a Muslim is Salaah.
Salah is the right of Allah on us. If we are to stay as a muslim, we have to offer Salaah. Its the same as the rights a state has on its citizens, like paying taxes and other stuff. You just gotta do it, otherwise you get punished.
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Sharabi
Yup, you are right. People are simply ranting about what they don’t even know. Taliban did make some mistakes but not what these people publicise. That is why I gave Yvonne Ridley’s book with the title above so that people could pay attention.
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A country is Islamic only when it is being ruled completely by Shariah, the Islamic Law.
And as far as forcing muslims to Salaah; Salah is fardh and all of the companions held the view that he who does not pray is a Kafir..as seen from teh well known hadith of the Prophet (sas), that what differentiates a Kafir from a Muslim is Salaah.
Salah is the right of Allah on us. If we are to stay as a muslim, we have to offer Salaah. Its the same as the rights a state has on its citizens, like paying taxes and other stuff. You just gotta do it, otherwise you get punished.
u better get ur user name fixed because as I told u that sharaab is prohibited in Islam and u have named ur self after it... anyway, I got u in the last debate and here u r showing up again... btw, im not claiming that muslim should not pray.. every muslim has to pray but if u had pray lets say fajr and someone forces u to pray again wt would u think or do and u don't even have the privilege to say that u did u r prayers or else they will beat u up.... and about mulla omar, he wouldn't fight in person if Taliban stop coming from pakistan to afghanistan ....where as about Taliban, a very small percentage of them might be afghan but majority are pakis since Taliban are being trained and brainwashed in pakistani madrasas...
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how many times would ppl make mistake… once, twice, finally they learn that they r wrong.. but Taliban never gave up they kept doing wrong things considering it as Islamic laws and rules… where in Islam says that YOU MUST have a beard… it of course is sunna but no one can force u to keep u r beard long …I bet u don’t have a beard but ur taking side of Taliban that they r right…
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It’s not my problem if you dismiss every proof as western propaganda and refuse to believe what anyone has to say. Ask the shia Hazaras what was done to them. But maybe you don’t believe them because they are kaffir in your religion.
Javed Iqbal and Yvonne Ridley are not the spiritual inspiration for Taliban. I am talking about those mullahs from the binoria masjid in Karachi and their speeches on the subject.
Everyone who was a victim of the Taliban, had a problem with their extremisim. And majority of Muslims the world over would never want Taliban rule for themselves as it is against Islam. Nothing to do with kuffar.
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^ Javed Iqbal and Yvonne Ridley were secular minded people who were not associated with the Taliban. So what they say regarding them really counts, cause of their neutrality.
Secondly..i have heard speeches of atleast one person from Binoria Town, and he is Mufti Shamzai, and i can tell you he is the man of truth, and i never heard him say anything that went against the teachings of Islam. Mufti Shamzai, who the Taliban used to come to for fatawas and advice, was one of the most learned scholars in Pakistan.
And your claim that majority of muslims over the world would never want to live under Taliban rule is correct, who would want to live in a land where cinemas, concerts, music, interest based banking, hanging around with the opposite sex..everything illegal. Women would have to go out with their sutr covered, its difficult and people are too used to the Kufr enviroment where all of that is allowed and encouraged.
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Late Mufti Shamzai was no doubt a moderate among the others, but even some of his views on what is acceptable in jihad and education of women I do not agree with. There are other many other examples of Taliban forcing people to pray. grow beards, wear burqa that show their complete misunderstanding of Islam. No true Muslim would force religion onto people who are unwilling and that is exactly why no Muslim country would allow Taliban style rule. Not because they like kufar environment, but because forcing Islam on people is not allowed and only leads to muanfiqat.
That is the key difference that Taliban and its supporters do not understand about Islam. Ridley and Iqbal's opinions are interesting from a political point of view, but irrelevant from an Islamic point of view.