Who are these people?

Just because they were wearing black clothes does not mean that they were the participants of the procession.
There were chemicals used in arson attack, and most stores were on fire within a couple of hours of the blast. This is why there are several people saying that it was a pre-planned attack, which is not possible by participants of the procession.

Please read my post no. 15. I don't want to repeat it.

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Dont't try to find excuses for these dickheads.
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Amen to that.

Taliban don't have "Taliban" written on their forehead. And btw, Taliban are not necessarily Pashtuns. It is an ideology, not ethnicity.

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If you get fire saftey coaching, they tell you how a shop can be in blaze within few minutes. Otherwise if you wish to beleive in conspiracy theories like many in Pkaistan do its up to you.

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Sindhi nationalists have blamed MQM for these incidents!

It was a MOB. Not a few individuals who did it.
Did ALL of them have fire safety coaching?

Your conviction is based on assumptions, not facts.

I think we are missing an important question here:
Why were those people not stopped by police when they were ransacking the city?

If police had done its job then all this would not have happened regardless of who those people were. Nobody is asking that police should have opened fire, even though it was possible because snipers were present on those buildings. But it could have at least used some tear gas to disperse them.

This is what Mustafa Kamal was complaining about.

So the real culprit are people who gave orders for police to hold on and not do anything. We can not stop the terrorists but we can at least make sure that security personnel do their job as they are supposed to do.

I have not read any justification from police for this failure yet.

How can you not? They're doing exactly same thing as taliban destroying the country's economic hub. These mfs deserve to be hanged in public.

Why these morons have to find ethnicity of the criminals, and why can't we identify them as mere criminals ...

These modern day criminals in Pakistan try to hide behind ethnic, religious, political facades. It is up to us not to give them a chance to use these identities to hide their crimes..

No matter who they were, killing people is not equivalent to destroying property in any law in the world. Let's say if people who bombed the procession and people who burned the shops are apprehended, then who will get more severe punishment? The murderers or the looters?

The question arises as to when those mobs were burning shops, WHERE WAS THE POLICE? Why did police allow those people to continue burning in the first place?

These people would have burned the whole city, but where the protectors of the city?

News to me.

Zulfiqar Mirza says that police was not ordered to fire because the arsoners were in moarning clothes and if a few people had died, the whole Pakistan would have been in flames.
Jang Group Online

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Another report on this Karachi loot and plunder threatens PPP-MQM ties

Now that there is lot of room for corruption, everyone is interested in rebuidling and how to do it and who will do it.

If they were allowed to do whatever they want then there is no need to condemn them and abuse them and calling them mf’s either. It is police who allowed it.

They could have been stopped, not necessarily killed. There are various ways to stop a mob besides stray firing.
If police was doing ‘ehteraam’ of mourners by allowing them to burn and loot then they should not be raiding mourners’ houses now either.

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^I doubt that they would have, its only the pressure from traders that its being done. YOu can look up the people arrested on identification by cctv footage and you'll know who they were.

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Today Dunia TV presented a complete report about Karachi mishap.
They showed by CCTv footage that people who burnt the markets reached after an hour of the blast and they were well equipped. Most of them could be easily identified. Blast device was planted in a box used for " Muqqadas Auraq ".

I wonder if police or Zulfiqar Miraz was thinking about traders when they decided not to stop those rioters.
A crime is a crime. People who bombed the procession were criminals, and so were the rioters. Police's duty is to maintain order and provide security, both to the procession and to the traders. It FAILED. That's the root cause.

I don't understand this Zulfiqar Mirza dude. This is the guy who proclaimed that he and his colleagues were planning to start break-up of Pakistan when Bibi died, only to be shunned by Zardari when he said "Pakistan khappay".
Even if something like that happened, I am wondering what Zulfiqar Mirza accomplished by breaking his story of betrayal to the whole country?!

Only someone like him could have ordered the police to let the rioters rule the roost.

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YOu can look up the people arrested on identification by cctv footage and you'll know who they were.
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They were wearing black clothes. That's all it shows. But clothes prove nothing. If people talk about pre-meditated strike then clothes could be a get-up.

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It is very sad when we take side for personal reasons.
Now names of many of them are known.
Every one should ask to take a serious action against them.

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Bro, it's not about having personal reasons. The way Pakistani police get admissions, they could even get a "haathi" accept any crime.
I am saying that it is difficult to say for sure who did it. One of the possibilities is of course people from procession. Who knows?

But what I am saying is that criminals would have love to burn the whole city, but it was people who were given duty to protect citizens who failed to perform their duties. The excuse given by Zulfiqar Mirza for not stopping them is unacceptable.

He failed to do his job. He failed to protect the shops. He failed to stop the rioters. And it was all deliberate. And that's the bottom line.

the situation at the time was more dangerous and potentially explosive in nature if the police had got into a standoff with youths. it would have been a magnet for others across the city to come down to.

as people are leaning on the arrest issue, in a confrontational situation, too many people would have been leaning towards the rioters if things turned bad. ie ''pakistan khappey'' track. with no zardari infront of each person to say ''pakistan na khappey, na khappey, naa khappey'' a potential mini disaster has been averted (shuker Allah)

if the rioters came from the procession, they had already chosen ''pakistan khappey'' its more popular then acknowledged. perhaps mr mirza knew this aspect all too well, but in anycase i agree with his decision

I agree that excuses given by Zulfiqar Mirza are not acceptable, and also the excsuses given by you to misplace the blame from culprits are not acceptable too.

Pakistani police need not get confession from arrested people, there is video evidence, that speaks for itself.