This thread is only for **MY **knowlegde, and I just want light shed on the question I HAVE.
Do not deviate it, I ask the mods to PLEASE delete posts that insult, or deviate from the topic of this thread…please, tis the Month of Ramadan, be mroe caring.
The Question i have is for my Madhab brothers, those of either, Hanafi, Shaafi, Mallicki or Hanbali.
In the end, Allah knows best, who is right or wrong, this debate is not about that I just wanna know who Ahl-e-hadees are, and what is their Aqeedah, and how they are different from **the four schools of thought. **
Could you folks please define ahl-e-hadith? Also, not all of them are Salafis.
To the best of my knowledge, no one disregards or disrespects the four scholars: Imaam Hanafi, Malik, Shafi, Hanbal. Many prefer not to stick to one or blindly follow one. Many prefer to go with the one that is in accord with Quran and ahadith.
In addition, this is the first time I'm hearing that there are people amongst Sunnis who do not believe in taraweeh.
This thread is only for **MY **knowlegde, and I just want light shed on the question I HAVE.
Do not deviate it, I ask the mods to PLEASE delete posts that insult, or deviate from the topic of this thread...please, tis the Month of Ramadan, be mroe caring.
The Question i have is for my Madhab brothers, those of either, Hanafi, Shaafi, Mallicki or Hanbali.
In the end, Allah knows best, who is right or wrong, this debate is not about that I just wanna know who Ahl-e-hadees are, and what is their Aqeedah, and how they are different from *the four schools of thought. *
jazakallah!
Wa Alaikum Assalam
Ahli Hadith are also known as ghair muqallid, i.e. they do not follow any of the four or five Imams. They believe in doing their own interpretation of the Ahadith and draw their own conclusions, where as me being Hanafi take what was researched by Imam Abu Hanifa as the madhab to follow. so do Majority of Pakistanis.
Ahl-e-Hadeeth are so called because the y “people” of “hadeeth” authenticate their actions of fiqh by virtue of finding the right source of Prophet SAW sunnah.
The Sahabah authenticated ahadeeth amongst them as well. So it is not a new thing. Since the ummah is now bound by division and is prone to labelling schools of thoughts (which is in itself a sign of Jahelia) they are name called.
Now there are people who call them selves Ahl Hadeeth and Salafi very proudly. I guess this is now a tradition to be rebelious and be defensive about ones minhaj (way or tareeqah).
Salafis or Ahl Hadeeth do not condemn any of the past 4 Imams rather they respect them but as they state “they do not blindly follow them”. The likes of Sh. Bin Baaz, Uthaimeen, Albani all were of the view that the ahadeeth must be verified and also should be the basis of deciding on fiqh rulings.
Ahl Hadeeth and Salafi observe 8 rakah of Taraweeh becuase this is what is proven by Prophet SAW. The 20 started after Umar RA saw the companions praying seperately in small groups and this was a deviation from the sunnah of the prophet SAW who would lead a taraweeh prayer. So Umar RA made it a ruling so that the companions would only pray as one congregation. However the 20 started later. Whereas some suggested it started at the same time.
Now, according to the other deifintion of deobandi’s (a sect of Hanafis mostly from India and Paksitan) they are also termed as Wahabi’s from the name of Shaikh Abdul Wahab of Jazeeratul Arab (now KSA). He revived the sunnah of the prophet SAW and fought against deviation or Bidah to bring back the arabs to the authentic Quran and Sunnah.
Funny things is that labelling is so common and misdirected, that the deviant sect of Baraelvis or Sufis of India Pakistan call deobandis (and tableeghis) as Wahabis.
Now I am lost today to find people who just want to be called :MUSLIMS: like me and still want to follow the right thing rather then what someone said or did or how my father did it…
Because there is this hadeeth which mentions that there will be 72 (or probably 73) sects in Muslims and only one will be right which would be "ahle-sunna(some narrations probably say hadeeth) wal-jama'a".... now which sect wouldn't want itself to be The Only One ;) ... Its more common in desis because we at large make such claims (we are the only right ones!) almost in all issues.
well I thought I was not labelling them. I was acknowledging the fact that Ahmed Raza BArelvi wrote a transaltion of the Quran where he specifically held Prophet SAW as someone who can foretell the future and that Barelvi aqeedah is quite a bit different from the Ahl-eSunnah Wal Jamaah or "Sunnis" of today. They (Barelvis/Sufis) firmly believe that Prophet SAW will come amongst you when you recite Salam on him and that he was a mixture of noor (Light ) and Bashr (Human). They believe he had no shadown. So these things are definitely deviations from the correct aqeedah of a Muslim.
Sorry if you are offended.
Any more information on, what is the process they have established of deriving their own conclusions, do they do it on an individual basis, or do they have some learned scholar that does that for em?
4 saal pehlay tuk mera taluq ahl-e-hadees muslak say raha hay .. Allah ka shukar hay jis nay humain zindge main seedha rasta dikhaya or hanfi deoband jaisai ahl-e-haq ulma say jora
main kisi ki nahi sirf apni baat ker rahee hoon
ahl-e-hadees main sub say bare kamzore jo maini dekhe woh yeh hay taqleed ko na manany or Fiqah say inkaar ki wajha say woh baaz masaail main munkr-e-hadees bhi ho jatay hain
jaisai 8 taraveeh ..jis ka koi saboot humain sahba karam kay door main nahi milta . muhammad salal allho alyhi waslam nay fermaya tha ...meray ashaab sitaron ki terah hay jis kay peechay chalo gay hidyat per raho gay
ijamma-e-sahaba say yeh baat sabit hay taraveeh 20 rakat he hay 8 taraveeh kisi khalefa nay nahi perhaye ..or ahle hadith 8 or 20 main choice rakhtay hain
dosra sub say aham masla 3 talaq ka hay
mufsreen nay likha hay teen talaq ka inkar sub say pehlay MAUtazila phir rawafiz or phir ahl-e-hadith nay kia
or in kay isammal ki wajha say muashray main ZInna ko taraqee mil rahe hay
jis ki wajha say halal haram main koi tameez nahi rahee
ahl-e-hadith ka 4 imaa per bilkul aytmaad nahi ....
fiqah say inkaar ki zid main yeh log hadees or sahaba kay bhi khilaf ammal ker laytay hain
kion kay yeh to zahir hay fiqah koi alag cheez nahi quran sunnah ijmma or qyaas ka murakab hay jub app fiqah ko inkaar kero gay to quran hadees khud ba khud is main ajaye gee
Most of your knowledge comes from the same typical belief system that runs rampant in the Indo-Pak area.
Any how you can commentary on taraweeh from here…very balanced explanation showing Rasul Allah SAW did not prohibit more but did pray 11 rakah 8 + 3 witr. Taraweeh
Also lets not start the same thing that the whole world is doing. Dividing and trying to think that they are the “CHOSEN RIGHTLY GUIDED” ones.
We have to stick with basic aqeedh and Sunnah and call ourselves muslims based on that . NOT HANAFI, SHAFII, HANBALI, MAALIKI, SUFI…
Lets not stray from the path of Rasul Allah SAW.
On the contrary they are strict on learning or seeking knowledge from Reknowned scholars. Although they when doing the learning refer to themselves as “students of knowledge”, they always refer to Mashaikh (Ulema).
Ahl-Hadeeth are more strict and due to belonging to Sub-continenet seem more intolerant of others. Where are strict Salafis (mostly arabs but other under influence as well ) may seem intolerant as well but most are not. They will not budge from their position on a matter but will not shun you if you are different.
Go to …http://www.qss.org/&albaseerah.com](http://www.albaseerah.com/)
to get more information on them.
Alhamdolillah I jsut call myself Muslim!!
or atleast trying to be a good one.
taraweeh kay ley app nay jo hadees bayan kee mujhay us per koi shaak nahi
mujhay sirf ik sawal ka jawab day dejeye
hazrat ummar razi allah tala anhu kay door main jo 20 rakat taraweh per ijmma-e-sahaba ka saboot hay kia sahab karam ko is hadees ka ilm nahi tha ?
ya ahl-e-hadees shaba say zyada ahadees ko samjhtay hain ya un say zyada ammal rakhtay hain ?
3 talaq per bhi ijmma-e-sahaba hay …or jin masaol per sahaba ka ijmma ho woh wajib ul ammal hotay hain … kion kay woh sunnat main he dakhil hotay hain
muhammad salal allahi alyhi waslam nay fermaya mere ummat mai 73 firqay hon gay sirf ik janat main jaye ga jo mere or maray ashab ki sunnat per ho ga
to ahl-e-hadees say zara mujhay jawab la dejeye kay woh ashaab ki sunnat per chal rahay hain ya nahi ?
ahl-e-hadees k sath talaq kay maslay main sirf gummrah firqay rawafiz hain ..baqee 4 imam or sahaba ik teraf
Halala ka saboot to quran main sora baqra or hadees main hadees-e-mashoor immrah -u-raffah say sabit hay …
ahl-e-hadees ka 4 imam per aytmaad nahi .. kion kay agar un ka ayatmad hota to phir kam say kam un masaail main mutfiq hotay hay jis per 4 imaam ka bhi itffaq hay
See the bold.
Just answer the word of Prophet sala Allaah alayhi wasallam is greater or the word of Hazrath Umer radiAllaahuanha. Well to tell u people are fighting for 8 or 20 rakah, well let me tell you sahaba karam used to pray even 36-40 rakah.
Well regarding the ijma you know the ruling during the time of Prophet and during the time Hazrath Umer, and you know what during the time of Hazrath Umer the no. of talaqs increased that why he had to for this ruling.
e love the 4 Imams but hum unko nisbath nahi jodte wo alag baat hain. Ahle hadees follow the Prophet and the righteous predecessors.
Eg. in hanafi fiqh it clearly states that a knowledge of a person is stable. Which is clear cut against quran. Well they say 4 Madhab barhaqq hain. Do you believe in it i dont.
Tell me which Madhab lasted from 10-80 hijri and who followed any Madhab, but in the books its documented you follow a particular Madhab you go to Paradise.
Anywyas i have had this topics before, i m out of it
Jazak Allaah khair.
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^ See the bold.
Just answer the word of Prophet sala Allaah alayhi wasallam is greater or the word of Hazrath Umer radiAllaahuanha. Well to tell u people are fighting for 8 or 20 rakah, well let me tell you sahaba karam used to pray even 36-40 rakah.
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u didnt got me sir ..app nay adhe bat ko bold ker diya or sara mutlub ghalat ker diya
jub baat ko samjhnay kay bajaye uljhana shroo ker dain to phir behus baraye behus he ho gee : )
Show one proof that UMAR RA said to pray 20. Don’t jsut say things OK. And don’t jsut beleive them either. UMAR RA made the Sahabah pray as a congregation together. Thats it . He could not do more then Rasul ALLAh. Since Prophet Muhammad SAW did not say how many , UMAR RA did not either. Where as they even prayed upto 40 like the other person just reminded us…
go to my earlier post and go the link for Taraweeh I put at the end.
Don’t be a blind follower. Don’t call names. You in your post are implying Ahl-hadeeth are misled…ok so the others also say the same about you,. and they have proof as well. But we are not to judge unless YOU (WHO WANT TO BE CALLED HANAFI or DEOBANDI) do acts that are clearly against the Aqeedah from Quran and Sunnah. Untill then you are part of Ahl-Sunnah Wal Jamaah.
I guess you have been poisoned by such people and it will take a big shake up from Allah for you to understand any of this.
See we should be focused on self-rectification and the NASEEHAH giving should be limited to 1. clear HARAM/HALAL, 2. DEviation from Aqeedah and Clear SUnnah. 3. NASEEHA should not be based on "MY HAZRAT SAID SO…or that MY FIQH is the only one taking you to Jannah…
It is an authentic hadeeth of Rasul ALLAH SAW that every mujtahid will be rewarded, the one who makes correct ijtihad will be rewarded twice and the one who comitts a mistake will be rewarded once…
mind you …
the mujtahid is not at sin if he/she is doing it for Allah alone with right knowledge…
Also, you are calling everyone as a firqah or group that Rasul Allah talked about as the 70+ firqahs…so how about yourself…do you fall in the sme category…
I KNOW MOST HANAFIS ARE BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE THAT AHL HADEETH ARE THEIR ENEMIES AND SPECIALLY TABLEEGHI TYPES THINK THIS THE MOST…
is that labelling is so common and misdirected, that the deviant sect of Baraelvis or Sufis of India Pakistan call deobandis (and tableeghis) as Wahabis.
