~! who are... These people...

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This is what happens when people don't know the context.
Well does anyone know the hadith from Abu Dawud about the conversation between Muad r.a. and Prophet pbuh? when he was being sent to Yemen?

Oh Salaf brothers, look it up.

Also, During the time of the Sahabah not ALL sahabas were Fuqhis. They referrred to one Specific sahabah, for advice.

Meccans had Abbas r.a., Medina would act on verdicts of Zain ibn Thabit, etc etc

Bukhari, Muslim, and Abu Dawood have a hadith regarding this.

Hudaind ibn Shereel narrates, "A sahabi asked about inheritance (to abu Musa) after passing away? He replied that Daughters/sisters should receive half, grandson receieve nothing. Then the people went to Ibn Masud r.a to confirm this, and Ibn masud said something else. So Abu Musa said FOLLOW THEM UNTIL THEY ARE HERE.

So my salaf brothers, if taqleed existed in the sahaba's time, why are we so ignorant in following it today? we have debt to Imam hanifa , Imam Shaafii' and the rest. They've done something big for us.

And the Hanafi fiqh is based mainly on Ibn Masud's rulings.

In another instance, Abbas r.a. showed no dissaproval to a ruling made by Zain ibn thabit, when Medinans asked him for a verdict, and it was different than that of his own. (About the women doing ziara, then her periods came in etc).

Therefore, taqleed ul-shaksi existed from their time.

Neglecting it, is just ignorance no? When so much evidence of taqleed is present in our hadiths. Its impossible for one to follow the books, without a Fuqhi.

Sahabas were in favour of this, so why are we deviating from it?

Deen is not to be based on your own desires, you follow it properly, and not at our own whims.

In ramadan can you.....
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NIce copy paste and very well done crescent. May Allaah increase your knowledge and lead you to the straight path.

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^ lol, Don't you think if i copy and pasted, i would have atleast put some reference.

This is from my own knowledge, on taqleed. It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure it out though :S

May Allah increase all of our knowledge, and lead us on the right path.

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I feel there is no use of arguing btw, this is a video whre a Deobandi of Hanafi fiqh a scholar became a Ahle Hadeeth. Anyone interested can download and listen to only first 10 minutes. Its in Urdu coz i believe its in Indo-Pak all these problems arises.

Main Ahle Hadeeth Kyun Hua.](HugeDomains.com)

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The issue of madhabs is a sensitive issue and should not be brought up. Those who are doing taqleed should be left at it, because according to the statement of Ibn Taymiyah, its better for the layman to do taqleed to any of the 4 Imams of Fiqh because that would prevent him from going astray.

Those who are students of knowledge and scholars, can, according to their ability derive matters out of Hadith. So whatever is the case, as long as someone is following one of the 4 Imams, Taqleed or non-Taqleed..he is all good.

We need to understand that these issues are minor, and Sahaabas had such issues too..but they never attacked each other and were always united.

The problem however does arise when you see a different mimbar for each Mazhab at the Haram. Or hanafies refusing to offer their witr behind a Shafi'ee Imam, during Ramadan after Taraveeh. Such extremism can disintegrate the Ummah, and we need to understand that all 4 mazhabs are the Haq, and all of them derive their rulings and way from the Sunnah, so what ever you follow...you're gonna be following the Prophet Muhammad (sas).

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^ I am if they are on the truth, then the rulings wont be so different. One madhab it is said saying Ameen aloud is Fard and the other Madhab says its bidah.
Well, now can there be on the truth when the difference between ruling is earth and sky.
Well Kullu Bidahtin Dalala, Kullu Dalalatin Finnaar.

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^ Wasim, I know where you're coming from.

There is a reason why the Hanafi madhabs rulings are usually different to the other three. The reason a great number of Abu Hanifa's rulings were made on Ijtihaad, and the reason why he went for Ijtihaad is due to unavailablity of documented sahih hadith, and at the same time fabricated and weak hadith were wide spread.

But Fiqh was the need of time, and could not be postponed until Bukhari or Muslim would come...hence Imam Abu Hanifa started off, and was very strict in getting hadeeth, and when he would not find a reliable hadith for a given issue, he'd resort to ijtihad, hence the difference in rulings.

But at the same time, he also said, that if you find a sahih hadith that contradicts my rulings, than adopt the Sahih Hadith, and trash out my ruling. But we also need to consider that gathering and finding hadeeth is not what a layman does. A layman is one who has no knowledge, hence for him..its important that he does Taqleed, according to the statement of Ibn Taymiyah.

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Nor argument to that and that in itself tells us that the great Scholars never thought of themselves as perfect or even to say that "JUST FOLLOW ME AND WHAT I AM LEAVING" ...why becuase Prophet SAW himself said : Taraktu feekum athnatain, Al-Quran wa-sunnatee ...I am leaving for you two, the Quran and my Sunnah.
So Why do we keep harassing and trying to prove the others are wrong so long as the are not deviating from the correct Aqeedah and Sunnah. But still, modern day hanafees from Indo Pak should open their eyes to the sayings of AbuHaneefa themselves and see how they are being bound to tube-vision when it comes to their present day Imams and Muftis..Wallahu Alam.

Arguments on Fiqh and Sunnah should not be a source of division. The sahabah argued a lot on matters but the intentions were clear and the hearts were clean at the end.