Who are considered freedom fighters against British in Pakistan

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Good job,, if it was good and well in british times then they would need not have to leave.
Did anybody of us start saying that there was no muslim involvement in the freedome struggle. Ur namoona, anti started off insulting indians and gandhi.

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I hope you are not saying that Muslims did not struggle to get freedom from British. And if you really are not saying it then I wonder why can't you think of people like Haider Ali, Tipu Sultan, soldiers of 1857, Quaid e Azam, Allama Iqbal, Liaqat Ali Khan, etc.?
Asking this question is being just plain weird.
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Haider Ali and Tipu Sultan were Freedom fighters and so were Rani Laxmibai, Mangal Pandey and his regiment in 1857, Marathas, Rohillas, Awadhis, Bhojpurias in 1857.

Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose led captured Indian soldiers from Germany and Japan against British in Singapore, Malaysia, Rangoon, and North-East India. That was the INC or Indian National Army, which had 40,000 of soldiers.

Amongst revolutionaries we have Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekhar Azad, Ramprasad Bismil, Sukhdev, Rajguru, Batukeshwar Datt (all of whom were hanged at the same time), from the Gadar party.

Politically we had Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, Sardar Patel, and all the top brass of the INC [Indian National Congress].

It must be noted that Allama Iqbal, Jinnah etc. only fully appeared in the scene in 1940, when the clarion call for Pakstan was made [the 'i' in Pakistan was added later so that westerners could pronounce it properly].

The Muslim League were mostly full-time lawyers, lived luxurious lives and gave only lip-service to the INC during its initial years of struggle.
They were never actively involved with the struggle from 1920 to 1940. In 1940, they gave a call for Pakistan, and struggled from then onwards.

Only Jinnah was a true freedom struggler as he represented Bhagat Singh in trial and also Lokmanya Tilak for sedition charges against him. I respect him for that, but after 1940 there was a U-turn in his ideology.

In fact, I would say that the ML piggybacked on the INC efforts from 1940 onwards to get Pakistan.
So, Pakistan founders they were, but fight against the British they never did.

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Vineshvk bro! no need to feel "insulted" if someone shows you the mirror. Good, bad, pretty, ugly, handsome, loathsome etc. you are what you are!

People mix fighting East India Company EIC with "fighting" British rule. The two are separate things.

Sure EIC used heavy handed tactics and the locals turned out against them as insurgents. The insurgency against EIC peaked in 1857 when British government decided to kick EIC out of South Asia and bring the area under direct control of London.

Again the title of this thread is misleading.

Fact #1: Congress was established by a British guy in 1895.
Fact #2: The same Congress begged Mountbatten to stay as gov. general.

So a party of the Birts ruled by Brits can hardly be termed as "fighting" for freedom. As I said, Congress did some ulti-seedhi kalabazis (clownish acts) but ultimately had tea and biscuit with the British.

So let's keep this movie gandhi business out of real history, unless we want the dramas and lullabies to rule our conscious.

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So wanna be gora u tell me why did British leave India. Because some indians who were muslims were fighting with them in the army..:D. Did u learn that from British Imperial library.:D

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Vinneshvk bro! you can’t jump in the middle of a discussion and understand everything. You gotta read bro, you gotta read!

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4184595&postcount=50

clearly explains why British left.
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British viceroy decided that Bharatis can now drive their country safely. Bharatis were given license upgrade from learner’s permit, and so the Bharati rule started. **

As for as Pakistan, we got our license in August 14, 1947. You guys were a bit slow learners so yours came through in June 21, 1948.

The license came just like the Hetch-1 visa bro, just like H-1.

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Allan Octavian Hume only assembled its first meeting in India. Since Pune had a plague epidemic, he shifted the venue of the meeting to Mumbai. He started it because he criticized many aspects of British rule in India.

The first president of the INC was Womesh Chandra Banerjee.
Although when the Congress was started, independence was not on its agenda but it became one only a couple of decades later coinciding with the arrival of Mahatma Gandhi.

Hume vanished from the Congress soon enough. He started collecting bird specimens, and indulging in other hobbies later on.

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Fact #2: The same Congress begged Mountbatten to stay as gov. general.
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That was done so that Sardar Patel and Pandit Nehru could concentrate on acceding India's 500 Princely States into the Indian Dominion. This was a HERCulean task if you do appreciate it.

As soon as India as we know today was formed, Mountbatten left.

Mahatma Gandhi was feared and respected by the British. The theory of, "India got independent because UK got bankrupt in WW2" may be one of the reasons why British left India, but for that to happen the foundation or the catapult was laid by the decades long struggle by the INC .

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The guy who "assembles" first meeting is called founder.
The whole idea of establishing Congress was that Brits wanted to give South Asians self rule or what you say "independence".

Congress was hijacked by rabidly religious Hindu industrialists who started Swadeshi movement with Tilak as their mouthpiece. Tilak wasn't successful so he was replaced by a better lobbyist aka MK Gandhi.

Read Abhi! Read!

And on keeping British viceroy beyond August 15th 1947 clearly show that Bharatis didn't fight against Brits. That's all.

Your reason given below is an empty excuse. No matter how many princes needed to be roped, the very presence of Mountbatten as the head of Bharat until June 21st 1948 proves that there was no fight by Bharatis against the Brits.

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Ok guys here is what it is to take out from this thread. India in particular and hindus in general didnt do a thing to get India independent. It was all the sacrifice of one man, Mohammad Ali Jinnah who did this.
Wonder why then the rest of the world dont recongize the fact.:D

How does it feel to be banned?
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Yes. I too ponder over that.

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The guy who "assembles" first meeting is called founder.
The whole idea of establishing Congress was that Brits wanted to give South Asians self rule or what you say "independence".
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This is completely false. It is evdent that you havent checked history.

The objective of independence was raised many decades later. Hume himself was critical of British policies in those days and this "party" was formed to keep writing applications and petitions to the govt. to address some issues.
It was Menshevik in nature before Lokmanya Tilak died and Mahatma entered the Congress.

The British viceroy's permission was taken to hold the first meeting as in those days there wasnt freedom on free congregation or free speech. He granted it.

Hume exited as soon as he joined the INC. His main passion was collecting bird species, Buddhism, and studying Sanskrit.

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Congress was hijacked by rabidly religious Hindu industrialists who started Swadeshi movement with Tilak as their mouthpiece. Tilak wasn't successful so he was replaced by a better lobbyist aka MK Gandhi.

Read Abhi! Read!
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What you've written is taught in the Pakistani version of history.

Gandhiji was a devout and deeply religious Hindu, yet he fought for Hindu-Muslim unity and a secular unpartitioned India and so did the INC.
It was his fast unto-death that prevented major Hindu-Muslim riots across the subcontinent. He was to leave for Pakistan (without caring for his life) before he was assasinated.

On the other hand, a suave modern, atheist Jinnah who never cared for religion, called for communal division in India. He himself was not a practicing Muslim, like he ate pork for example and was never seen in a mosque.
Yet his communalism shocked the world.

Gandhiji--religious, but politically secular.
Jinnah--non-religious, but politically communal.

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Your reason given below is an empty excuse. No matter how many princes needed to be roped, the very presence of Mountbatten as the head of Bharat until June 21st 1948 proves that there was no fight by Bharatis against the Brits.
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As Viceroy, Mountbatten was just a ceremonial head without any executive powers. All power rested in the hands of PM Nehru.

He was like India's President of today, without any executive powers.

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OK! Mountbatten may be sitting with Bharati babes and drinking whisky. What really matters is that *you don't fight for freedom from Mountbatten and then beg him to stay as a king *(may be a ceremonial king).

Bharati qoum (nation) lives with this made up history and sorry excuses.

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Since the moderators have gone to sleep i might as well wake them up now.
Look at the history of Pakistan my dear.** U r in bed with the Britishers and the US for ages. U can do anything for them even now**. At least we took a different route for sometime after independence.U r still slaves to the goras.U r trying to hide ur own impotency by looking at why Mount batten continued to be gov. general for one more year. :D.They are using ur own land for operations against ur own people. Its pathetic to see what Pakistan have become. A proud nation born as one of u said because the muslim army was the main stay of the british imperial force and their support to the world war earned them independence. Wonder why then this proud army couldnt take kashmir from the illitarate, smelly and weak Indians, just after Independence:D.:)
Go read baby read. :)

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Yes! Vineshvk bro! Why?

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What really matters is that you don't fight for freedom from Mountbatten and then beg him to stay as a king (may be a ceremonial king).
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Yes. We fought for freedom from the British, not M'batten. He was hastily apponted viceroy at the last minute, in mid 47 when independence was certain.

M'batten was just an overseer for the smooth transfer of power from UK to India. After independence, he became the ceremonial head till India became a republic and appointed its own President.

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anti, why baby why u r still a stooge of the goras.:)

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So according to your wonderful Bharati logic, M'batten was not a British! Wow!

Bargaining or begging...
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Actually I am repeating for the 2nd time, that the British sent M'batten at the last moment as viceroy only to oversee the transfer of power from UK to India.
Before 1947 he had little to do with India (he was in the Royal Navy) and after he left in 48 or 49, he rejoined the Navy.

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So British sent Mountbatten because Congress was fighting British for freedom, and Mountbatten was a non-British neutral party? So Bharatis quit fighting Mountbatten and made him their Governor General. Is that how your 8th grade history book was written?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_independence_movement

Pakistani’s will find this reading informative & increase their knowledge of the real facts. Google more and you will learn more.

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http://www.answers.com/topic/british-indian-army

This site also will help dispell some myths that the Muslims only were in the British Indian Army. If you google you will find that only 20 - 25% were muslims at any given time. Its in line with the population proportion - so no disrespect mean’t.

Brahmins were not wanted after the 1857 Mutiny because of their active part in it (also that they wanted the Last Mugal king as their ruler - ). 1857 shows that Hindus & muslims were united in the common cause of getting the Bristish out of India.

Pakistani’s have been fed such rubbish called “Pakistan Studies” over the years - it’s not funny!!!

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British sent M'batten after it had already been decided to grant independence to India.
Before 1947, nobody in India had heard of him and he too had never been to India.

British told him, "Oh, we have agreed to give-up our rule in India. Now you go and see that the transfer of power is alright".
M'Batten : "Okey dokey Mate."

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