The people of India (including pre-partition Pakistan) fought against the British for their freedom. At that time there was no India-Pakistan divide and we had the same enemy.
So I was wondering, in Pakistan, who all are given credit for getting the freedom from the British? Who are the heroes (for getting independence) in Pakistan?
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Fought?
After 1857, British Government took over South Asia from the East India company.
Care to list any "fight" or "war" or "battle" that "The People" fought against the Britsh government? OK may be a Jallianwala is an exception. But even Jallianwala incident was a peaceful gathering and not a "war" or "fight".
We don't call it a "fight for freedom" on one side, and then beg and plead Gen. Mountbatten and keep him as Bharat's leader so that he can continue mounting the Bharati nation.
Remember Bharatis didn't really get their independence on August 15th 1947. Why? On that day, your supreme leader was still the same old Gen. Mountbatten.
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Hello Narayan Bhai **Assalamulaikum **(namastay also)! How are you!
You've really asked a beautiful question!
I don't know much about Sindhis and Baluchis but I can tell you something about Punjabis, Bangalis, Urdu/Hindi speakers, and Pashtuns.
In Punjab, freedom struggle had very poor basis. Overall in history, in (Muslim) Punjab there was almost never any strong national resistence wether political or military against occupation. To understand that, please study "History of the Punjab" by Sayed Mohammad Latif, especially the concluding two-three pages.
For example, When WWI started, many Muslim notables of the Punjab including such people like Sir Mohammad Shafee, Sir Allama Mohammad Iqbal, Choudhri Sir Zafarullah Khan, etc. held a meeting assuring British of their full support in War against Germany and Turkey. Further, the Gadhi Nasheens and Astana Dars of Punjab issued a fitwa/decree saying that it was OK for Punjabi soldiers to fight against Muslim Turks and to shoot at Baitullah and Khana Kaba.
There have been sporadic instances of freedom struggle in Punjab however. Mullah Ubaidullah sindhi who was a Sikh converted to Islam had waged freedom struggle for almost entire of his life.
As for Pashtuns, we gave British a very tough time both militarily and politically. There is a long list of heroes but here I'll mention Abdul Ghafar Khan, Faqir of Ipi, and Umara Khan Janduli (also called Pashtun/Afghan Napolean). There were fifty battles fought between Pashtuns and British between 1850 and 1900.
At one time, probably in 1930s, there was a large British force (35000), including Air Force, pitched against Mujahideens of Faqir of Ipi.
Bangalis also fought a long military and political struggle against British almost extending over two hundred years. Urdu/Hindi speakers fought valiently against British occupation, especially in Rampur and other places. We should not forget struggle by General Bakht Khan Rohilla and Ullamai Doeband (Reshmi Romal Tahrik is an example).
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At least they didn’t go out to become official recruiter of British Raaj like Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. In fact Gandhi tried to join British army but was rejected (may be due to small stature making him unfit for the role of soldier).
Get your facts straight Mr. Lotd!
Read here what Gandhi Ji did to support British army.
http://india_resource.tripod.com/gandhi.html
Although Gandhi was critical of specific aspects of colonial rule, in 1914, his [Gandhi’s] general outlook towards the British was more akin to that of the loyalist Princes than the most advanced of India’s national leaders. Particularly onerous was his support of the British during World War I. Even as the Ghadar Party correctly saw in WWI a great opportunity for India to deepen its opposition to the British, and liberate itself from the colonial yoke, Gandhi instead tried to mobilize Indians on behalf of the British war effort. Although many biographers of Gandhi have studiously omitted making any mention of such dishonorable aspects of Gandhi’s political life, Martin Green makes a brief reference to Gandhi’s attitude towards WWI when he was in England: * “To return to London in wartime: Gandhi quickly raised his ambulance corps amongst the Indians in England. As before, he had offered his volunteers for any kind of military duty, but the authorities preferred medical workers”. *Martin Green also observes: * “Many of his friends did not approve the project. Olive Schreiner, who was in London, wrote him that she was struck to the heart with sorrow to hear that he had offered to serve the English government in this evil war - this wicked cause”. *(See Martin Green, Gandhi: Voice of a New Age Revolutionary, p. 247)
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Bunch of Bharati nationalists trying to throw garbage on Pakistan. As it happens again again, the garbage falls back on these $hitey fellows.
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What exactly is your point? Jinnah also sent Muslims to fight for England. What are you getting at? What garbage are you talking about? Maybe it is a bit of jealousy that no one outside of Pakistan knows about Jinnah.[/size]
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Forget about Jinnah for a moment.
Bharatis didn't get their own freedom until June 21st 1948 the day Mountbatten quit mounting Bharati nation. The Bharatis have a gall to come throw $hite at Pakistan.
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Bharatis didn't get their own freedom until June 21st 1948 the day Mountbatten quit mounting Bharati nation. The Bharatis have a gall to come throw $hite at Pakistan.
So what? What is your point? So what if it was 1950? Look at where the countries are now. India is moving forward, and Pakistan remains on the never ceasing verge of failure. Other than retrogression, what has Pakistan accomplished in the last 59 years?
Anyway, I digress. This thread is about Muslim freedom fighters during British raj.
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This thread is about a pompous Bharati taking credit for something bharatis never deserved.
On one hand Bharatis talk about "fighting for freedom from British raaj", and on the next instant they champion Gandhi as recruiter, and Mountbatten as their governor general.
Heck if Bharatis were fighting for freedom, they would have never let Mountbatten continue mounting them.
However this piece of logic will never enter the brains of Bharati nationalists brought up on the false history. Fighting for freedom my foot!
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anti is factually correct about Mountbatten..i don't think Mountbatten ever forgave Jinnah for the insult of being told he couldn't be Governor General of Pakistan as well..
Mind you it depends on who you call freedom fighter, educationists like Syed Ahmad Khan in my opinion are freedom fighters..because they helped educate people who could fight for their rights suing British tools.
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freedom fighter in pakistan ??
none!
Who dare to take our freedom away??
It was for indian the process was delayed.
We could have kicked britsh a#@ in no time.
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Care to list any "fight" or "war" or "battle" that "The People" fought against the Britsh government? OK may be a Jallianwala is an exception.
Pathans fought at Panipat.
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Yes, quit digressing, but if you want to digress, do it correctly. Pakistan's economy is growing at a faster rate than India's.
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Gandhi didnt do anything for the freedom struggle. He was an imbecile. Whenever the Indians were about to get out of hand, Gunthee Jee went on a fast till the Indians stopped fighting, just like the British wanted.
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Care to provide date and brief scenario for that pani-pat-pat pat-pat fight.
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However this piece of logic will never enter the brains of Bharati nationalists brought up on the false history. Fighting for freedom my foot!
Well I'm glad you're here to clear up all the historical inaccuracies. Maybe pakistani delusions are due to the fact that Pakistan replaced the British Raj with a Fauji Raj. Maybe this is not the right question to ask Pakistanis. Pakistanis still don't have freedom.
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Guys please dont include Khan abdul gaffar (gaddar) khan in the list.. He was on Gandhi's side and hence a kafir.. many in Pakistan regard him a kafir for being supportive of Gandhi.. I dont know why they allowed him to sit in NA
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Bunch of Bharati nationalists trying to throw garbage on Pakistan. As it happens again again, the garbage falls back on these $hitey fellows.
what exactly is your point?. what garbage india is throwing or has thrown at pakistan with regard to this topic?....
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Gandhi didn't do anything for the freedom struggle???...ask this to british. They will tell you.
and what did your Jinn....oops jinnah do for the freedom struggle?...what did he do?. atleast gandhiji used to fast, what did he do?.
Look, talk what is relevant to the topic. you dont have throw stones at india or gandhi over here.
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Actually there is a Gandhi nobody knows.
No anti, you’re wrong. Look at sergeant Bapu jee fighting for freedom!
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Bacha Khan gave many years of his life to the freedom struggle, and he formed a no-violent army, whereas Gandhi had non-violent followers (no disrespect to Gandhi and jinnah, etc). Bacha Khan like many other patriots gave alot, they shouldn't be disrespected for their sacrifices. Last rora great mentioning the great Umra Khan, AKA Afghan Napolean, made me real happy. Dera manana. Kho, Wazir Akbar Khan the great and Ghazi Amanullah Khan were also pashtun/afghan patriots against the british, we sholdn't forget them. Oh yeh, could someone give me some information on bhagat singh? I want to read about this guy as I heard he is a revered freedom fighter for the subcontinent.